Taj Mahal closing down
August 3rd, 2016 at 11:51:44 AM
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No further info but the Taj Mahal is closing ASAP-
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August 3rd, 2016 at 12:39:59 PM
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Strike probably closed it one year earlier than it otherwise would have. Little customer base, gross deferred maintenance all over the property, save some miracle like a tornado picking up the building and placing it untouched a couple hundred miles north in New York closing was inevitable.
August 3rd, 2016 at 12:46:33 PM
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Negotiating ploy by management? For the heck of it I tried to book a room in November, they are still making reservations.
August 3rd, 2016 at 12:50:36 PM
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It's a ploy to cancel my free play
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August 3rd, 2016 at 12:53:32 PM
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Another one bites the dust.
I really feel like Trumps name is -EV especially after this election. I can't believe people still pay him to use the name.
I really feel like Trumps name is -EV especially after this election. I can't believe people still pay him to use the name.
August 3rd, 2016 at 12:55:39 PM
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They aren't paying anything for the name - they own it outright now
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August 3rd, 2016 at 1:03:25 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingThey aren't paying anything for the name - they own it outright now
They might not be paying much or anything, but the Trump name is trademarked and they definitly have to license it.
http://m.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/agreement-lets-taj-keep-trump-name/article_bf16f576-c6bb-11e4-8b51-37a9c6db09b2.html?mode=jqm
August 3rd, 2016 at 1:24:02 PM
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Things take time, particularly when the guy who's job that would be is probably covering for a striking worker in a different department. Also takes time if you don't care.Quote: SOOPOONegotiating ploy by management? For the heck of it I tried to book a room in November, they are still making reservations.
Try again in a couple days.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 1:32:49 PM
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That was an extremely depressing property the past few years. 2/3 of the storefronts dark, ridiculously oversized check-in for their current crowds, someone like me getting a suite (that was in terrible shape), the place definitely showed its age. I would have loved to see it in its hayday.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 1:48:39 PM
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I remember it's opening and how grand it was. But Trump Plaza was huge at that time too. Times change and you either adapt or someone else does. More people without jobs in an already bad market. No winners here.
August 3rd, 2016 at 2:15:25 PM
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Oh well. It probably wasn't the worst casino o'er there.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 3:08:13 PM
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Well now.
Striking employees cause Mgt to throw their hands up in disgust.
AC is struggling, and not just with their casino businesses.
If they do indeed close:
The striking workers didn't 'win'.
Mgt didn't win either, BTW.
Well, unless mgt made a bet with Lloyd's of London.
I don't like to hear of closures, but closures are a part of the evolution of gambling in the USA. You can extend that statement beyond the US borders if you like.
'Bout 25 years ago in a board mtg I proclaimed;
"We will get to work with or against a Union of our workers if, and only if, we didn't accomplish the job tasks we all had in prior years that led to this upcoming vote. How do you all think we did?" I do not serve on that Board anymore. Some people can't handle the truth.....
Striking employees cause Mgt to throw their hands up in disgust.
AC is struggling, and not just with their casino businesses.
If they do indeed close:
The striking workers didn't 'win'.
Mgt didn't win either, BTW.
Well, unless mgt made a bet with Lloyd's of London.
I don't like to hear of closures, but closures are a part of the evolution of gambling in the USA. You can extend that statement beyond the US borders if you like.
'Bout 25 years ago in a board mtg I proclaimed;
"We will get to work with or against a Union of our workers if, and only if, we didn't accomplish the job tasks we all had in prior years that led to this upcoming vote. How do you all think we did?" I do not serve on that Board anymore. Some people can't handle the truth.....
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
August 3rd, 2016 at 3:40:31 PM
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This is how you bust unions. Close down, then reopen later under a new name with new employees. Nothing new here.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 4:08:29 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesThis is how you bust unions. Close down, then reopen later under a new name with new employees. Nothing new here.
AC has a horrible track record w/casinos reopening.
revel + showboat anyone?
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August 3rd, 2016 at 4:46:07 PM
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Quote: 100xOddsQuote: ChesterDogHere's a link.
good job strikers.
im sure they learned their lesson.
what the hell was the Union thinking?!
The UNION?
Icahn is at least in the top 5, if not the biggest union buster of the past 40 years. This has all been kabuki theater.
This is all out of the playbook he helped write.
Screw your employees by negotiated cuts to stay open.
Screw them again thru bankruptcy court with involuntary cuts.
Yet again by promising a cash infusion that never comes, leaving a deteriorated mess.
And again by not offering parity in the area.
Take years to do all this to your employees, leading them on with garbage promises and false hopes.
Then oh my, they walk. What took them so long? He wanted them to walk 2 years ago , and they were too stubborn to go. But finally, they do, and now it's all their fault.
All out of the book. I'll try and find the title if anyone's interested. It's a nasty book. But then, he's a nasty guy.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 4:47:43 PM
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All I want to know if if they will still send out mail for September
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August 3rd, 2016 at 5:08:53 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingAll I want to know if if they will still send out mail for September
The mail is probably already out for September if they truly made the decision only today.
I seem to recall Revel was complaining people were not gambling and only taking comps the last few weeks of their business and wanted to shut down prematurely but were forced to keep to their schedule and offers.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 5:30:38 PM
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Hi BABBs. You sound like you know much more about the Union movement and Union organization than I do. It's really only come up in my life a couple of times. I was conflicted, I sought some universal truth, I needed help I didn't find.Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: 100xOddsQuote: ChesterDogHere's a link.
good job strikers.
im sure they learned their lesson.
what the hell was the Union thinking?!
The UNION?
Icahn is at least in the top 5, if not the biggest union buster of the past 40 years. This has all been kabuki theater.
This is all out of the playbook he helped write.
Screw your employees by negotiated cuts to stay open.
Screw them again thru bankruptcy court with involuntary cuts.
Yet again by promising a cash infusion that never comes, leaving a deteriorated mess.
And again by not offering parity in the area.
Take years to do all this to your employees, leading them on with garbage promises and false hopes.
Then oh my, they walk. What took them so long? He wanted them to walk 2 years ago , and they were too stubborn to go. But finally, they do, and now it's all their fault.
All out of the book. I'll try and find the title if anyone's interested. It's a nasty book. But then, he's a nasty guy.
I finally settled on a couple points, just with myself.
- if you get a Union as an organization you prolly deserve one you dumb ahole. Now trying to be smart after the fact? Good luck with that.
- gov't employees should not be allowed to unionize, period. Don't like that? Work in the private sector.
I hung with the sector control FAA strikers back in 1980 (?) in Miami.
Good dudes, bad choices.
Treat your employees right, they will not feel a need to unionize.
Treat your employees wrong, they unionize and both sides lose, yes both sides.
In a competitive free capitalist marketplace there is simply not room for the 'costs' of a union while you attempt to remain competitive in the marketplace. The company will die, the industry may die.
Put unions in government workers?
You finish the thought. Finish it any way that floats your boat.
You got no boat?
SMH
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
August 3rd, 2016 at 5:37:49 PM
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Quote: TwoFeathersATLHi BABBs. You sound like you know much more about the Union movement and Union organization than I do. It's really only come up in my life a couple of times. I was conflicted, I sought some universal truth, I needed help I didn't find.Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: 100xOddsQuote: ChesterDogHere's a link.
good job strikers.
im sure they learned their lesson.
what the hell was the Union thinking?!
The UNION?
Icahn is at least in the top 5, if not the biggest union buster of the past 40 years. This has all been kabuki theater.
This is all out of the playbook he helped write.
Screw your employees by negotiated cuts to stay open.
Screw them again thru bankruptcy court with involuntary cuts.
Yet again by promising a cash infusion that never comes, leaving a deteriorated mess.
And again by not offering parity in the area.
Take years to do all this to your employees, leading them on with garbage promises and false hopes.
Then oh my, they walk. What took them so long? He wanted them to walk 2 years ago , and they were too stubborn to go. But finally, they do, and now it's all their fault.
All out of the book. I'll try and find the title if anyone's interested. It's a nasty book. But then, he's a nasty guy.
I finally settled on a couple points, just with myself.
- if you get a Union as an organization you prolly deserve one you dumb ahole. Now trying to be smart after the fact? Good luck with that.
- gov't employees should not be allowed to unionize, period. Don't like that? Work in the private sector.
I hung with the sector control FAA strikers back in 1980 (?) in Miami.
Good dudes, bad choices.
Treat your employees right, they will not feel a need to unionize.
Treat your employees wrong, they unionize and both sides lose, yes both sides.
In a competitive free capitalist marketplace there is simply not room for the 'costs' of a union while you attempt to remain competitive in the marketplace. The company will die, the industry may die.
Put unions in government workers?
You finish the thought. Finish it any way that floats your boat.
You got no boat?
SMH
The part where unions and I part ways are in protecting bad employees. Which is why I never did the labor side. I'd tell them they'd screwed up and we'd protect their rights during the process, but not protect them from the rightful repercussions of their actions.
So I did the other stuff. Training, equipment, requirements, procedures, lobbying Congress, safety rep, natl liaison. I refused to get on a desk and scream at a manager for doing their job. Which I saw others do many times.
But, yeah. I spent a lot of time working for my union. The parts I believed in, like collective bargaining and fair process.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 5:40:25 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesThis is how you bust unions. Close down, then reopen later under a new name with new employees. Nothing new here.
I thought the Detroit way was just to get a government taxpayer funded bailout?
August 3rd, 2016 at 5:44:27 PM
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Quote: ahiromuThat was an extremely depressing property the past few years. 2/3 of the storefronts dark, ridiculously oversized check-in for their current crowds, someone like me getting a suite (that was in terrible shape), the place definitely showed its age. I would have loved to see it in its hayday.
I had 2 conventions at ShowBoat right next door in 1997, could call it the heyday. It was busy but nothing in AC was impressive after I had seen Vegas.
AC really cannot be saved.
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August 3rd, 2016 at 5:58:05 PM
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Should they close, any predictions to which casino gets the majority of Taj's 17mil monthly win?
August 3rd, 2016 at 6:07:50 PM
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Quote: gamerfreakShould they close, any predictions to which casino gets the majority of Taj's 17mil monthly win?
Is Bally's still across the Boardwalk?
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August 3rd, 2016 at 6:15:22 PM
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Resorts is directly to the left of the Taj. Ceasar's/Bally's is a bit further down (5 min walk), followed by the Tropicana which a lot further down (20ish minute walk).
The Borgata, Harrah's, and Golden nugget are on the Bay, which is a about 10 minute drive from the boardwalk.
The Borgata, Harrah's, and Golden nugget are on the Bay, which is a about 10 minute drive from the boardwalk.
August 4th, 2016 at 9:11:00 AM
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From a customer's point of view this comes as no surprise. But I thought maybe based on some of their recent moves that they were slowly building their way back up, guess not. I highly doubt it will re-open any time soon.
Assume the worst, believe no one, and make your move only when you are certain that you are unbeatable or have, at worst, exceptionally good odds in your favor.
August 5th, 2016 at 4:28:00 PM
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Poor traffic and high maintenance that's why they are closing. I have heard that it does not earning profit and the expenses operating it is bigger than earnings. It is best to close it down but make sure to pay its customers before it truly shutdown.
August 5th, 2016 at 6:16:51 PM
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Closing in October from a confirmed source
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August 5th, 2016 at 6:31:02 PM
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Quote: WizardofnothingClosing in October from a confirmed source
Wanted to close earlier but have to give the workers 60 days by law. You know, protect those who walked out and left the owner with little choice.
August 5th, 2016 at 10:17:17 PM
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Seems mission got lucky with a decent room, but there were so many bad reviews online. I can't help but think this had a big impact on the poor traffic. I had some room offers there but I was always afraid to stay there wondering and worrying about how bad and dirty the hotel rooms might be.Quote: CasinodepositorPoor traffic and high maintenance that's why they are closing. I have heard that it does not earning profit and the expenses operating it is bigger than earnings. It is best to close it down but make sure to pay its customers before it truly shutdown.
I remember seeing a YouTube video of people complaining about a high priced suite that was just disgusting and the manager didn't see a problem with the place. When you go to a casino hotel, the rooms are supposed to be a step up from your home and not steps down. Maybe the chairman's tower rooms were nice, don't remember, but seems people were in for it at Taj.
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August 5th, 2016 at 11:10:58 PM
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I believe it's the workers still on the job that are entitled to the 60 day notice.Quote: BozWanted to close earlier but have to give the workers 60 days by law. You know, protect those who walked out and left the owner with little choice.
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August 5th, 2016 at 11:17:16 PM
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October 10th:Quote: WizardofnothingClosing in October from a confirmed source
http://www.cdcgamingreports.com/taj-mahal-closing-set-for-oct-10/
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Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
August 6th, 2016 at 4:08:47 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI believe it's the workers still on the job that are entitled to the 60 day notice.
You may be right. Either way the strikers didn't help anyone by harassing customers trying to support the place. Sad all around, no winners here.
August 6th, 2016 at 4:30:51 AM
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That union is a joke- they were striking outside and it's cleaners and cooks and what not- meanwhile they were handing out flyers that said they had mice- well Jesus hello- you were the cleaners - clean it and there will be no mice- that pissed me off to no end
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August 6th, 2016 at 5:26:30 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI believe it's the workers still on the job that are entitled to the 60 day notice.
I am not sure how it works with a strike. If they wanted to close tomorrow they probably could, but they might be figuring it is not worth the legal risk especially with a union friendly administration in power. The probably have so many days of food and other supplies to burn off anyways.
I remember when the 60 day law was passed, it took a few years to really bite because congress passed the law but then nobody really knew how and who would enforce it.
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August 6th, 2016 at 5:30:14 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingThat union is a joke- they were striking outside and it's cleaners and cooks and what not- meanwhile they were handing out flyers that said they had mice- well Jesus hello- you were the cleaners - clean it and there will be no mice- that pissed me off to no end
Haha that's funny.
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August 6th, 2016 at 8:40:04 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanI am not sure how it works with a strike. If they wanted to close tomorrow they probably could, but they might be figuring it is not worth the legal risk especially with a union friendly administration in power. The probably have so many days of food and other supplies to burn off anyways.
I remember when the 60 day law was passed, it took a few years to really bite because congress passed the law but then nobody really knew how and who would enforce it.
They could not close down tomorrow. They have to give the workers 60 days notice. That's what happened to me.
I was a supervisor in the data center for a fortune 500 company. They were starting to downsize. One day my boss came into my office and told me that I was being "INVOLUNTARILY TERMINATED". A politically correct term for YOU'RE FIRED. They were afraid that I would do something to sabotage the data center. I was told to pack my things and they escorted me out the door. I was told that I would be paid for the next 60 days.
In hindsight, without going into details, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
August 6th, 2016 at 8:54:50 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingThat union is a joke...
ALL unions are a joke! Unions are why you pay so much for EVERYTHING you buy, from groceries to cars.
Paid celebrity endorsements is the other reason for high costs of products.
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August 6th, 2016 at 9:35:21 AM
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Quote: FatGeezusThey could not close down tomorrow. They have to give the workers 60 days notice. That's what happened to me.
I was a supervisor in the data center for a fortune 500 company. They were starting to downsize. One day my boss came into my office and told me that I was being "INVOLUNTARILY TERMINATED". A politically correct term for YOU'RE FIRED. They were afraid that I would do something to sabotage the data center. I was told to pack my things and they escorted me out the door. I was told that I would be paid for the next 60 days.
In hindsight, without going into details, it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
The 60 days notice thing is just when the entire plant or employer closes. A single person does not have to be given that notice. That being said, if the union is on strike there is probably a loophole in there somewhere. Been 25 years since I had the college class on Collective Bargaining. Very touchy areas.
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August 6th, 2016 at 9:37:41 AM
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I'm sure if the entire casino was on strike there may be loopholes but it's only a smaller percentage - less then 1/3
The people I feel for are that amazing Italian restaurant il Mulino and the wine store - neither are owned by the taj so basically you could bankrupt a person who started a business as well
The people I feel for are that amazing Italian restaurant il Mulino and the wine store - neither are owned by the taj so basically you could bankrupt a person who started a business as well
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August 6th, 2016 at 9:42:59 AM
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Quote: WizardofnothingI'm sure if the entire casino was on strike there may be loopholes but it's only a smaller percentage - less then 1/3
The people I feel for are that amazing Italian restaurant il Mulino and the wine store - neither are owned by the taj so basically you could bankrupt a person who started a business as well
That is murkier still, but the reality is 60 days is near meaningless. They have to do something with the progressive and bad beat jackpots if there are any, that can take a few days alone. Which reminds me, where is Worm going to play now?
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August 6th, 2016 at 9:55:53 AM
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Worm plays at parx just google joe Palma worm. No bad beat at taj
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August 6th, 2016 at 11:07:48 AM
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The union represented 1/3 of (low skilled) employees. They took a shot and lost.
The other 2/3 of the employees got screwed
Just for the record I would not cross the picket line, but I am not a Taj player anyway.
Two points,:
The union supported Obama care yet they screamed when it looked like they had to be part of it.
The $100,000,000 in construction renovation jobs that Icahn was going to invest after November when the casino bill fails, is now never going to happen.
Bad bet by McDivitt for his union, but in the end does he care? Does he still get paid by the union? Does he have a car provided by the union? Does he have a union expense account? I do not know the answer to any of these questions, but the other union leaders I have seen in my day all had some great perks
The other 2/3 of the employees got screwed
Just for the record I would not cross the picket line, but I am not a Taj player anyway.
Two points,:
The union supported Obama care yet they screamed when it looked like they had to be part of it.
The $100,000,000 in construction renovation jobs that Icahn was going to invest after November when the casino bill fails, is now never going to happen.
Bad bet by McDivitt for his union, but in the end does he care? Does he still get paid by the union? Does he have a car provided by the union? Does he have a union expense account? I do not know the answer to any of these questions, but the other union leaders I have seen in my day all had some great perks
August 6th, 2016 at 11:10:03 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesALL unions are a joke!
Exactly, we wouldn't need unions with a $15 minimum wage.
August 6th, 2016 at 11:11:50 AM
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Quote: gamerfreakExactly, we wouldn't need unions with a $15 minimum wage.
You'll just pay twice as much for everything as you do now!
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August 6th, 2016 at 11:15:51 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesYou'll just pay twice as much for everything as you do now!
I don't believe this. There are plenty of companies such as Costco and Trader Joe's that start their employees at a living wage with benefits, and still keep their prices competitive.
August 6th, 2016 at 11:23:42 AM
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Quote: gamerfreakI don't believe this. There are plenty of companies such as Costco and Trader Joe's that start their employees at a living wage with benefits, and still keep their prices competitive.
You aren't paying retail in these places either.
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August 6th, 2016 at 11:25:09 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesYou aren't paying retail in these places either.
Trader Joe's in certainly retail. In either case it's possible. It may mean the CEO and executives make a $600k instead of $10mil, but tough shit.
August 6th, 2016 at 11:29:48 AM
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Quote: gamerfreakTrader Joe's in certainly retail. In either case it's possible. It may mean the CEO and executives make a $600k instead of $10mil, but tough shit.
One place isn't the bearer of all. Trust me, you'll pay more overall when minimum wages go up.
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