dukes17
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January 7th, 2011 at 12:59:21 PM permalink
Does anybody know if a video craps "machine" exists in Las Vegas and if so where can i find one. Also if one does not exist, why?
ElectricDreams
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January 7th, 2011 at 2:18:31 PM permalink
Well there's RapidCraps, available at the always classy Bill's Gamblin' Hall & Saloon on the strip. it's sort of like a video version of craps.

More to the point, why are you looking for such I thing? I think half of the fun of a craps game is the social atmosphere and getting to actually throw the dice. Video craps would take all that away!
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January 7th, 2011 at 3:18:38 PM permalink
I consider video craps much, much different from RapidCraps. I have seen both but never played either, sticking to the real game. I have never seen video craps in Las Vegas, only in tribal casinos where real dice are prohibited. I don't think I would ever play that game (posted my reasons in another thread yesterday evening), but I would be willing to try RapidCraps. Just haven't yet.

I have no idea whether video craps exits in Las Vegas somewhere I have not seen it. If you search to find the manufacturer, perhaps their web site would have info about installations.
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January 7th, 2011 at 3:50:47 PM permalink
Quote: dukes17

Does anybody know if a video craps "machine" exists in Las Vegas and if so where can i find one.

I have not seen one yet.
Quote: dukes17

Also if one does not exist, why?

Why?, many real craps tables are available and the cost to install one of the Video Craps may still be very high.
I know in CA at Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio they have Shuffle Masters' Vegas Star Craps game.
It is actually fun to play since a shooter can virtually roll the dice. Still all computer controlled.
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kauboj
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January 7th, 2011 at 5:54:32 PM permalink
i still dont think that rng's produce realistic rolls, so many things effect how dice land (not saying these thing determine the outcome) but the way they bounce, how hard they are rolled, how they hit the backboard, if they hit the back board, if they hit money. none of these things are taken into consideration by the rng.

prime example the craps game here on WoO's site many times i roll point 7 point 7 hardly ever get hardways and always seem to loose way more than win... showing the house edge being more like 94.41% rather than 1.41% on passline wagers.


and point 7 probably occurs about 80% of the time
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January 7th, 2011 at 6:00:12 PM permalink
Quote: kauboj

... prime example the craps game here on WoO's site many times i roll point 7 point 7 hardly ever get hardways and always seem to loose way more than win... showing the house edge being more like 94.41% rather than 1.41% on passline wagers.


and point 7 probably occurs about 80% of the time

I have never observed those phenomena at the WoO/WoV craps games. I have played them a modest amount, and I play them more aggressively than I would play a real game with real money. I think the outcomes are quite similar to what I would have expected if I had played the same style for real. Sometimes I come out ahead; sometimes I lose a bunch.
kauboj
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January 7th, 2011 at 6:05:18 PM permalink
i dunno i can almost predict when a 7 is going to roll..
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January 7th, 2011 at 6:19:10 PM permalink
Quote: kauboj

i dunno i can almost predict when a 7 is going to roll..


Then it should be crystal clear what to bet next.

Be sure to let us know the exciting results here. Thanks in advance.
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January 8th, 2011 at 9:20:59 AM permalink
i always turn bets off when i think a 7 is gonna appear....90% right... though i think it would be awesome to have Nicholas Cages ability in "Next" to be able to see 2 minutes into the future.... damn i could wipe casinos out lol
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January 8th, 2011 at 9:26:42 AM permalink
Quote: kauboj

i always turn bets off when i think a 7 is gonna appear....90% right... though i think it would be awesome to have Nicholas Cages ability in "Next" to be able to see 2 minutes into the future.... damn i could wipe casinos out lol



90% right is fully sufficient. Just bet on "any 7" when you see it coming. You can quit your job and just make a living doing that.
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January 8th, 2011 at 11:48:06 AM permalink
Quote: kauboj

i always turn bets off when i think a 7 is gonna appear....90% right..


Why turn off the bets? 90% makes it the surest bet in the casino. Bet the guts out of the 7 or at least go heavy on some don't numbers.

Can't wait to watch your next session. When and where?
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January 10th, 2011 at 3:10:41 PM permalink
There were three video craps games being shown at G2E 2010.

I went to this conference and took photos and videos of these products, but none of them have appeared in any casinos in Vegas that I am aware of yet.

Bill's has "Rapid Craps" and I have played it there. The dealers refer to it as "snail craps" and it is definitely anything but rapid. But you can play for lower denominations and for longer periods of time and get dollar drinks if that's your goal, it's probably the best craps game out there. It moves VERY slowly.

It is really hard to lean in to throw the dice because the screen gets in your way. But there are no chips to avoid when shooting, so some might argue it could be better for practicing dice control.

It is really difficult to code up a craps game compared to a slot game, or roulette. The G2E show had about 30 or so video roulette offerings, but only the three craps. And two of those were not very good.

Shuffle Master has made another iteration of Rapid Craps which has a big shared screen with satellite terminals instead of a dice table. When I tried it at G2E, it had a lot of software problems, so I doubt they are shipping yet.
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January 10th, 2011 at 3:32:51 PM permalink
To my knowledge there is only one electronic craps game that involves the players still shooting physical dice, and that's Rapid Craps. The rest either use an animation of dice or a central dice bubble (giant dice bouncing around inside a plexiglas popper, like the board game "Trouble"). I know Shuffle had a touch-screen craps game where the player's gestures "threw" the dice, and Interblock had a dice bubble. I think Novomatic had a bubble too, but I can't remember. Most of the European vendors are focused more on sic bo than craps. Craps isn't very popular outside the US (unfortunately).
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January 18th, 2011 at 4:08:20 AM permalink
Video Craps is a great tool for a player who would like to test new betting strategies. There are several possible betting combinations available to the player. Each bet has advantages and disadvantages and players create strategies to exploit each. Of course, creating a betting strategy involves trial and error. Video craps is a cheap way to test your betting theories. From here http://videopokerbase.com/ you may get more information on video craps.
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January 18th, 2011 at 7:41:47 AM permalink
Quote: stinsonsmart

Video craps is a cheap way to test your betting theories. From here http://videopokerbase.com/ you may get more information on video craps.



Wouldn't it be cheaper still to run wincraps at home?
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