Wizardofnothing
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August 9th, 2016 at 2:39:26 PM permalink
At a certain casino chain I was backed off a long time ago. I recently started receiving offers again that were cross marketed from another of their locations outside of Nevada . I was never backed off at this casino . I called and booked the offer- and received a confirmation but rather not make the trip if I'm just going to get backed off.... Thoughts?
This is in Nevada
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mcallister3200
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August 9th, 2016 at 2:59:08 PM permalink
Would think you should be fine. I've booked several offers at other properties including in NV within a chain where I've been trespassed from a few of their properties, at least one by name.

Was playing unrated during all trespass/back-offs though although identified by name at 1-2 of them, never had card locked or stopped receiving offers and didn't play at casinos where booked offers just used rooms so depending what you're trying to do probably not an arms length comparison.
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August 9th, 2016 at 4:28:35 PM permalink
Most likely you will be fine. there isn't nearly as much discussion between properties as you would expect.
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August 9th, 2016 at 6:45:59 PM permalink
It's my understanding, gained anecdotally from friends who have been backed off here and there, that it used to be very rare for a barring to apply to any other property other than the specific one at which it occurred. Now, however, if you get barred from a Golden Commode Gaming Mega-empire property, the barring applies to the property imposing it AND all the other properties owned by GCGM. If your barring is old enough, I doubt you'll have a problem.

I would actually consider asking the new property point-blank if the long-ago barring at its sister property will affect your invitation. It's, I suppose, a matter of balancing the potential risk of showing up and getting bounced (and whatever offer you have gotten being canceled) versus the risk of them saying "Thank you for being honest, now don't come here after all."

I don't think your booking going through carries with it any assurance that you won't eventually get backed off. The various departments at casinos move in their own independent orbits, so marketing may never have talked to whoever is responsible for player barrings. If you do get barred, you might return to your room to find that your key won't work and there is a notice attached to your door saying that your luggage is in the security office.
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August 9th, 2016 at 8:59:58 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

It's my understanding, gained anecdotally from friends who have been backed off here and there, that it used to be very rare for a barring to apply to any other property other than the specific one at which it occurred. Now, however, if you get barred from a Golden Commode Gaming Mega-empire property, the barring applies to the property imposing it AND all the other properties owned by GCGM. If your barring is old enough, I doubt you'll have a problem.

I would actually consider asking the new property point-blank if the long-ago barring at its sister property will affect your invitation. It's, I suppose, a matter of balancing the potential risk of showing up and getting bounced (and whatever offer you have gotten being canceled) versus the risk of them saying "Thank you for being honest, now don't come here after all."

I don't think your booking going through carries with it any assurance that you won't eventually get backed off. The various departments at casinos move in their own independent orbits, so marketing may never have talked to whoever is responsible for player barrings. If you do get barred, you might return to your room to find that your key won't work and there is a notice attached to your door saying that your luggage is in the security office.



IOW: Backing yourself off is better than getting backed off?
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August 9th, 2016 at 9:31:59 PM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

It's my understanding, gained anecdotally from friends who have been backed off here and there, that it used to be very rare for a barring to apply to any other property other than the specific one at which it occurred. Now, however, if you get barred from a Golden Commode Gaming Mega-empire property, the barring applies to the property imposing it AND all the other properties owned by GCGM. If your barring is old enough, I doubt you'll have a problem.

I would actually consider asking the new property point-blank if the long-ago barring at its sister property will affect your invitation. It's, I suppose, a matter of balancing the potential risk of showing up and getting bounced (and whatever offer you have gotten being canceled) versus the risk of them saying "Thank you for being honest, now don't come here after all."

I don't think your booking going through carries with it any assurance that you won't eventually get backed off. The various departments at casinos move in their own independent orbits, so marketing may never have talked to whoever is responsible for player barrings. If you do get barred, you might return to your room to find that your key won't work and there is a notice attached to your door saying that your luggage is in the security office.


This is terrible advice.Dont ask the new property.
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August 10th, 2016 at 10:34:35 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

This is terrible advice.Dont ask the new property.



+1. Better to ask forgiveness than get permission in this case.
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August 10th, 2016 at 10:49:29 PM permalink
Lol - calling and asking wasn't a thought that even remotely would ever cross my mind
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August 11th, 2016 at 7:51:56 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

+1. Better to ask forgiveness than get permission in this case.



What nobody seems to realize is that asking forgiveness and failing to get it would mean that the OP would have wasted a trip, something that he clearly said he was reluctant to do. OF COURSE, if there were no adverse consequences, it would be better to just go there, play, and hope for the best. But if one's time is the least bit valuable, flying to Vegas for nothing would seem to be a risk possibly not worth taking.

Also, the risk of being re-barred is greater than people here seem to think it is. Player databases are routinely shared, and the former and present property are owned by the same entity. I think it might be wishful thinking to believe that the OP would be able to play undetected.
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