Wizardofnothing
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April 21st, 2016 at 9:23:50 PM permalink
I don't vulture full time , however I do visit one casino daily so thought I would create a thread where I could post actual totals for vulturing
I am starting with a voucher for 20 dollar and will update daily ,with pictures of any solid hits
Also I will only be doing one check daily of the machines, however if I pass through any other casinos I will do one lap only at each place
Wish me luck ....
For added interest I will donate 10 percent of whatever the total is 90 days from now to missions football pool for the upcoming season
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April 22nd, 2016 at 2:05:42 AM permalink
As an AP why do you think this thread is a good idea?
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April 22nd, 2016 at 6:05:42 AM permalink
It's public info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:06:23 AM permalink
While in Vegas recently for the WoV meetup I found numerous $200 pulls and $100 pulls, and got killed each and every time. This was only met by frustration when I found the people "regularly vulturing" the casino I was staying at must have been severely underfunded. They were pulling 10 play $1 and $2 machines at 1 credit each... When in reality if you have a strong advantage, you should be the full amount (5 coin). If you can't afford a $100 pull, you shouldn't be vulturing... My opinion anyways. They looked younger and like they didn't understand anything more than "multipliers R gud." This is why information getting out hurts. The uneducated steal plays from the educated and they don't even know what they're doing / not properly funded anyways.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:13:59 AM permalink
I agree , which is why I am not disclosing technique or location of explanation of how to do it


Today's result

Started with 20

Ended with 31.50
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:29:35 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I agree , which is why I am not disclosing technique or location of explanation of how to do it


Today's result

Started with 20

Ended with 31.50



I think you need to at least discuss how long through the day.

If you earned 11,50 in 8 hours of play, I suggest you get a regular job.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:33:38 AM permalink
If you read the first paragraph I explained that it was one loop through one casino....
But you gotta do your homework ....
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:34:36 AM permalink
You are right I'll take that advice and start riding the bus for 20 dollars to the casinos !!!
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:47:22 AM permalink
Okay, so how long for you to do the one loop? 30 minutes? 20? 10? We still need to have an estimation of time. Walking around a giant casino with multiple gaming levels might take you awhile. This thread is meaningless without time involved.

Otherwise, you probably could make more with a bus hustle.

Personally, $11.50 is not something I would be proud of posting as an AP maneuver profit.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:48:42 AM permalink
6 minutes on average 10 machines
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:52:30 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I agree , which is why I am not disclosing technique or location of explanation of how to do it


Today's result

Started with 20

Ended with 31.50



but if you start showing really good results it will make people want to do so. They may already know they are there but think they are worthless. If you show $+60 a day then that may change peoples thinking. Not to mention new people who show up here who didn't know what these games are.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 7:54:41 AM permalink
That's my point - there will rarely be more then 10-25 so everyone should stop
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:12:56 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

but if you start showing really good results it will make people want to do so. They may already know they are there but think they are worthless. If you show $+60 a day then that may change peoples thinking. Not to mention new people who show up here who didn't know what these games are.



I hardly ever post but I had to respond to this. I believe that 99 percent of the people on here know about vulturing. It really is not a big secret and anyone with half a brain who walks by a machine and sees a multiplier is probably going to play it. They may not get the full value of it, but on some level they realize that this is probably profitable to some degree.

If members are going to complain about what people like to do on this website (i.e. gamble plus ev) what is the point of continuing the forum? I understand that some plays you discover are yours alone, but I think people are really going overboard and no one is going to want to discuss anything anymore.

I do not want to hijack the thread but I would like to pose a question to you, when does a play become ok to talk about?
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:22:02 AM permalink
Quote: SlackJawYokel

...I do not want to hijack the thread but I would like to pose a question to you, when does a play become ok to talk about?

In general when specifics aren't involved. Talking about plays that are "done" or "over" can be quite helpful to new people, and good discussion for the forums. They won't get to participate in the play, but they can see how it was discovered and attacked and hopefully take those principles out in to the real world and apply them on their own.

Giving up direct, specific information about a current play (location, edge, strategy, etc) is pointless; it doesn't help anyone on the forum as it more/less kills the play.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:27:20 AM permalink
Couldn't agree more with what romes just said
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:45:16 AM permalink
Quote: Romes



Giving up direct, specific information about a current play (location, edge, strategy, etc) is pointless; it doesn't help anyone on the forum as it more/less kills the play.



I want to start by saying that I agree with you and I would not want everyone knowing exactly what I am doing. Do you consider vulturing a play, what about accumulating jackpot slots, video poker? I am just curious where the line is drawn for you in particular. Anyone with a solid math background is able to get a decent idea of when to play or not. Again I do not disagree with you and I would hate someone taking money out of my pocket by opening their mouth but this thread in particular is not hurting anyone.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:56:31 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

6 minutes on average 10 machines

Let me do some rounding to keep this simple, I'm a simple kinda guy. What we got here is an AP opportunity to earn $10 in ten minutes, that's $60/hr....
But there is a hitch. It's only a available for ten minutes each day which makes it $10/day.

Now if you're a union type guy and think you shouldn't work more than 8 hours a day, now we are down to around $1.25/hr, which should be illegal based on minimum wage laws.

If I make $1.25/hr for my 8 hour work day, that I complete in just 10 minutes each day, that nets me $10:

Can I still legally get my welfare check?

No, I'm 2F, that other guy is Cwazy ( if you are going to this you better watch your spell checker ;-)
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:57:57 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

6 minutes on average 10 machines



Okay, that includes the walking around in search of them or just the actual play time?

You said you cant make more than 10-25 off this play per hour but if you made $11.50 in six minutes?

Personally I know homeless people who make more than that just bumming change and I am confused why you would waste your time with such a low output advantage play.

As you like to point out I used to be a bus hustler but I don't waste my time with it anymore since the play is so small.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 8:59:34 AM permalink
Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Let me do some rounding to keep this simple, I'm a simple kinda guy. What we got here is an AP opportunity to earn $10 in ten minutes, that's $60/hr....
But there is a hitch. It's only a available for ten minutes each day which makes it $10/day.

Now if you're a union type guy and think you shouldn't work more than 8 hours a day, now we are down to around $1.25/hr, which should be illegal based on minimum wage laws.

If I make $1.25/hr for my 8 hour work day, that I complete in just 10 minutes each day, that nets me $10:

Can I still legally get my welfare check?



Thanks, you were pretty much getting at what I was but stated it better.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 9:00:26 AM permalink
The tough part of the consideration is how well the play is already known. Vulturing, for example, is an exceedingly well known play. Discussing vulturing (in general) is of relatively no harm to the AP community, in my opinion. However, if you were to say "I'm here at Casino X in Y state and there's multipliers everywhere! No one must get this casino!" Then you'll more than likely find an influx of vultures to that casino. Now say there was 1 guy vulturing there, and making a decent side or what have you off them. Then, you've in essence taken money out of his pocket by mentioning the plays specifics, such as location. Now I'm not saying this guy shouldn't rely on vulturing for his career, etc, but this is just an example of how discussing even vulturing could be both okay and not okay. The line is specifics.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 9:22:16 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

In general when specifics aren't involved. Talking about plays that are "done" or "over" can be quite helpful to new people, and good discussion for the forums. They won't get to participate in the play, but they can see how it was discovered and attacked and hopefully take those principles out in to the real world and apply them on their own.

Giving up direct, specific information about a current play (location, edge, strategy, etc) is pointless; it doesn't help anyone on the forum as it more/less kills the play.



So, give up the info on an expired play so that new people can attack similar plays in the future? So if there is a tax day offer at the Plaza or similar casino next year, you are not concerned about new people learning and taking advantage of it at that time?

Plays get repeated all the time. If you want to keep them secret for your bottom line, discussing them even after the expiration is meaningless.

What should be the defining line is whether the play is public information or not.

If a play is advertised in national newspapers, saying you saw something in a newspaper cannot have more harm than the thousands of eyeballs already exposed to it.

The only plays that are secret are (like most secrets) the ones that only you know. If you've discovered that enabling a double up at video poker games causes you to switch denominations after you've bet for a big payout, that is a secret you do not post.

If you read in the daily news there is an offer for 2:1 blackjack in AC and the casino itself is distributing press releases, go ahead and let people know about it.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 10:16:02 AM permalink
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Thanks, you were pretty much getting at what I was but stated it better.

Actuarially, I was simply stating I didn't see any harm in WoN's thread yet, even though others have expressed some concern. Nuttin' more complicated than that, remember the 'simple' part.

I know some peoples got their boxers bunched up into a wad, and others got defensive, and the ban hammer was waved around recently and I am staying way, way, out of all that. I got no skin in the game, and it's hard to empathize with one side or the other. Actuarially, I think I identified four sides, a quadrilangular beast. I did hear some thoughtful discussion by several members about how to bring all the sides together, and I declared to myself that 'this is good'.

No groundbreaking thoughts here, just 2F ;-)
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April 22nd, 2016 at 10:21:33 AM permalink
darkoz I have no dog in your fight with the other guys about the Plaza. I'm simply speaking to this thread completely separate from the Plaza thread. Most of the shared "expired" information is from plays that are rare or well known more than likely not going to pop up again. How many Vegas casinos do you expect to run 2-1 blackjack promotions with "regular" rules and accepting table max bets in the future? This is one reason this has been discussed on these forums. If you come across them in some 3rd world country you'll know how to attack them, but that's where your likelihood of finding the play is... Some place that's years and years behind the ball.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 1:13:11 PM permalink
I vulture this one Midwest joint about twice a month on Monday morning with about 10 machines and with one walk through expect to make about $70. On my return trip on Tuesday or Wednesday I usually find hardly anything. As an aside this past Monday I found a 10 line $.10 machine with all 7X showing on all lines and I bricked it. Being somewhat dazed I went directly to a regular BP 1 line dime game and hit a royal on the draw on my first hand. I was really upset and happy at the same time. On one hand I won $400 but if the royal would have been drawn 1spin earlier on the ult X hand it would have been $28,000 for a $5 investment.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 1:25:46 PM permalink
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I was really upset and happy at the same time. On one hand I won $400 but if the royal would have been drawn 1spin earlier on the ult X hand it would have been $28,000 for a $5 investment.



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April 22nd, 2016 at 1:53:34 PM permalink
Quote: phendricks

Another graduate of the Rob Singer School of Video Poker. Just win, baby! You can't take that EV to the bank!



I don't see how this falls in with Rob Singer. Singer probably has never vultured in his life.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 2:27:04 PM permalink
One issue is that threads like this start appearing in Google when ploppies are doing Google searches for UX. A few months ago I had one older guy tell his wife loudly, "they're called vultures" while I did the 3 machines around him. He obviously found that term on a forum looking for UX info.
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April 22nd, 2016 at 3:20:56 PM permalink
Quote: BTLWI

One issue is that threads like this start appearing in Google when ploppies are doing Google searches for UX. A few months ago I had one older guy tell his wife loudly, "they're called vultures" while I did the 3 machines around him. He obviously found that term on a forum looking for UX info.



agreed. Isn't there an vulturing ultimate X thread that's on here that's three years old and like fifty plus pages of nice juicy ultimate x info that no one on here would like made public?
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April 22nd, 2016 at 5:02:17 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I don't see how this falls in with Rob Singer. Singer probably has never vultured in his life.


Because it's an AP move. He's not that bright.
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April 24th, 2016 at 7:17:28 AM permalink
Miss Friday, Went Saturday with 28. Found a 25c with a few multipliers and got dealt a flush, voucher is now up to 131.75 from 20
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April 24th, 2016 at 12:43:37 PM permalink
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While in Vegas recently for the WoV meetup I found numerous $200 pulls and $100 pulls,



Damn. Too bad I've already made my one trip to the strip this year. Never thought to bother much with them. Maybe I'll check the high limit rooms next year

Started back with complete records 1 April, totals so far:
+9.95
-1.65
+5.05
+0.90
+9.70
+0.10
+1
-4.10*
-0.35
+0.35
+0.20

As pointed out, not a great income. But if you see a $20 bill on the ground, who wouldn't pick it up?

Players card, yes or no? I do, just because I don't get any slot mail anyways, so may as well add an extra 0.33%.
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