Freeplay tax
Such a stupid idea!!!!! Will kill players not the casinos
Quote: Wizardofnothinghttp://triblive.com/mobile/10122671-96/casinos-slot-million
Such a stupid idea!!!!! Will kill players not the casinos
I don't see how it would kill players but I would definitely expect to see an 8% reduction in free play to cover the taxes.
Quote: IbeatyouracesYeah, the 55% mob rate is way too high as it is.
Isn't that incredible? Nevada only taxes gaming revenue at about 7.5%.
http://www.paonlinecasino.com/607/new-promotional-play-tax-could-hurt-pa-casinos/
They would then have to revert back to good promotions something similar to the 90' and early 2000's
I realize some places have lucrative free play and you wouldn't want that casino to stop giving out free play. I would hate that to. But given a choice between zero free play and all promotions. I'll take all promotions.
If you think about it, MOST casinos don't give enough free play to make it worthwhile, they give out small amounts just enough to entice ploppy customers. Imagine if all the casinos who give out crap free play suddenly had to come up with other various promotions to entice people. I think it would be far more lucrative for some AP's.
Many will people who have mainly focused on FP plays will probably argue with me but I think that's just because that's all they have really known.
Perhaps Many AP's would have to drop out and less AP's would get a much bigger share of AP money.
Quote: AxelWolfI would be all for all casinos getting rid of all free play period .
They would then have to revert back to good promotions something similar to the 90' and early 2000's
I realize some places have lucrative free play and you wouldn't want that casino to stop giving out free play. I would hate that to. But given a choice between zero free play and all promotions. I'll take all promotions.
If you think about it, MOST casinos don't give enough free play to make it worthwhile, they give out small amounts just enough to entice ploppy customers. Imagine if all the casinos who give out crap free play suddenly had to come up with other various promotions to entice people. I think it would be far more lucrative for some AP's.
Many will people who have mainly focused on FP plays will probably argue with me but I think that's just because that's all they have really known.
Perhaps Many AP's would have to drop out and less AP's would get a much bigger share of AP money.
If they get rid of FP, I'm definitely publishing my book!
Quote: DRichIsn't that incredible? Nevada only taxes gaming revenue at about 7.5%.
You know the casino lobby is strong when the gaming revenue tax is lower than Vegas sales tax. Imo, my home state of Missouri is "fair" (~23% AGR). There also are admission taxes as well, another weird midwest thing.
Because it would be financially useless to anyone looking to AP. One good free play story is as good as the rest no matter how you spice it up. The best FP mail stories have and may never be told.Quote: darkozIf they get rid of FP, I'm definitely publishing my book!
I'm assuming 90% of your income comes from free play mailers. That's my point, many free play minors don't realize there's much more to AP and there's many hidden opportunities.
If FP ended It would be like telling a NFL player that the NFL is over but there's always basketball or baseball.
Must Hits and other obvious plays would get over run with guys who still want to have freedom from a real job. Mostly it would thin the heard.
I have seen it many times before, something really good comes along that lasts a few years, Loose lips wise up the casinos and chumps Eventually it gets overrun or the casinos get sick of it. Some guys do very well and now think they are top dog AP's. They are on top of the world because they have a BR and everything. Until it ends. A few years later after dabbling in a few other things they show up at the door with your Chinese food delivery order.
I highly doubt they will get rid of FP. But there's a good chance that whatever casinos you are working now will eventually wise up. No doubt some have already. Once they do, if you're lucky you will get to play for mail with approximately 2% advantage, that include higher volume and significantly more risk.
There's not to many casinos that allow exactly what you're doing. I think You fell into a rare situation that's few and far in-between. Save as much as possible.
Quote: AxelWolf
There's not to many casinos that allow exactly what you're doing. I think You fell into a rare situation that's few and far in-between. Save as much as possible.
I'm currently hitting or have hit almost a dozen casinos.
So, either you don't really understand what my particular AP move is or it's far more allowed than you believe.
Quote: WizardofnothingWhen you tell me you get to 70-80 then we can talk - a dozen isn't much - I have 35-40 on our regular rotation plus some outliers
I don't live in Vegas so I don't have 35-40 in my rotation. I would need to travel hundreds of miles from my house for that many and I actually enjoy sleeping at home.
Quote: WizardofnothingNor do I live in Vegas and I sleep home- most areas of the country have that many- you already stated you are near New York so not sure how you figure there are not at least 40 places within driving distance
You clearly are not familiar with the New York market if you think there are 40 casinos here.
Should also point out I am a true New Yorker - i.e. I don't drive. I take the bus and train.
In all of New Jersey - 8
In all of Connecticutt - 2
In all of Pennsylvania - 12 (however six of those are on the western side which is 8 hours from me.)
New York City - 2 - (I count Empire which is technically outside the city but a city bus goes there so...)
NYS has about six more all upstate approximately 6-8 hours drive.
Except for the NJ and Connecticutt casinos which are near each other, all the other casino locations are scattered so even driving between them would take upwards of 40 minutes to the next one.
Quote: WizardofnothingNot to mention if you are that good at what you do/ buy a car/ it would be more then worth the return simply from being able to expand your horizons
I don't have car because I have no interest in driving. Never did. Never learned.
It has nothing to do with my financial status. And no, I would not be able to drive from Connecticutt to NJ to PA to Maryland all in the same day. And when I hit a casino, I hit them day after day after day for months. I don't need to travel like that to make my money.
Quote: WizardofnothingAlso twin river- and if you are in Philadlephia there are Delaware and Maryland you aren't counting which are actually just as close as Foxwoods to nyc
As you stated earlier, I am in NY. If I lived in Philly then you would be correct.
I do not consider travelling from New York to Maryland to gamble a "close" place to go.
Quote: WizardofnothingI don't even want to go into this with you- just saying you hit them day after day for months is absurd- There are multiple ways to beat casinos I promise that whatever you are doing is not a daily profitable play - you aren't on a plus ev straight up machine- and I can make almost every single daily promo that is offered at each of those casinos- and considering you have said you use mail- mail at those properties is not a daily pick up at most of the places you mentioned
So sad you say what you think you know. Oh well, when I do publish the book suggest you do pick it up. Clearly you do not know the plays I do and do not know everything about AP'ing.
Quote: WizardofnothingI don't even want to go into this with you- just saying you hit them day after day for months is absurd- - and I can make almost every single daily promo that is offered at each of those casinos-
Really? You can drive from Connecticutt to AC to Upstate NY to Maryland to PA and collect every single daily promo they have to offer?
Now who is making the absurd statement?
Quote: darkozReally? You can drive from Connecticutt to AC to Upstate NY to Maryland to PA and collect every single daily promo they have to offer?
Now who is making the absurd statement?
First off if you know the mail schedule you would know that it's not daily - that aside starting in Maryland - 30 minutes to Delaware. From Delaware 30 minutes to center city Philadlephia form Philly to ac 1 hour - ac to much 2.2 hours and end in Connecticut 2.5 from nyc however in answer to your question
Although I have done this multiple times I have people that work for me and do the pick ups as any successful ap would have
Quote: WizardofnothingTalk all toy want- I don't claim to know every ap move but I do know mail ,cash back, machines and promos-I'm sure you were effected when they killed the mail in ny- you lose all credibility with the book- I'm done with the nonsense -best of luck in your future endeavors
Wrong. When they killed the mail in NY I was unaffected because I still get mailed. I was way beyond all those AP's who were clobbered when that happened. I laughed when they posted the signs and I and my people were still collecting.
Not to mention empire city is limited to one offer daily and one weekend offer s
Quote: WizardofnothingFirst off if you know the mail schedule you would know that it's not daily - that aside starting in Maryland - 30 minutes to Delaware. From Delaware 30 minutes to center city Philadlephia form Philly to ac 1 hour - ac to much 2.2 hours and end in Connecticut 2.5 from nyc however in answer to your question
Although I have done this multiple times I have people that work for me and do the pick ups as any successful ap would have
That sounds nice when you write it.
Let's see. You missed your promos at Sands in Bethlehem which is 2 hours from Philly. Oh, yeah, the promos at Parx, Sugarhouse, Harrah's (some of which I personally don't find worthwhile but you said you could hit everywhere). Hmm, methinks you are not hitting all the casinos in the area. Gee, you didn't even make it out to western PA or Upstate NY with that schedule.
Quote: WizardofnothingYou must have an awful lot of people because I would not roll out of bed for what the MAX offer in nyc is at both places combined
Not to mention empire city is limited to one offer daily and one weekend offer s
The frequency of the offers is not the issue. It's the overall profit obtained from them.
Quote: WizardofnothingWell if you know - sands is less then 70 miles from philly so 1 hour not two- also sands only mails one weekly offer and a smaller overlapping offer so there is only a need to be there 1 possibly two days a week but you wouldn't know that- and as I mentioned I have workers- if you knew that much you would clearly understand that very few of the places have every day mail/ unless again you are hustling bus fares which you mentioned previously that you did -
Okay, notes.
Sands, once weekly with a Thursday reel steel special and a weds bonus.
Parx - once per week
Harrah's - once per month.
Sugarhouse - 5-6 days per week.
Valley Forge - six days per week
Taj Mahal - six days per week
Tropicana - seven days per week
Resorts AC - seven days per week
Golden Nugget 4 days per week
Foxwoods - 3 times a week
Resorts World - 3-5 days per week
Yonkers 3-5 days per week (depending on the month)
Yeah, you're right. I don't really know much about schedules.
Which is why you wrote about bus hustling
2) your statement if I am picking up mail, I don't need to play is nonsensical. You have to always play free-play unless you think I just collect actual mail for my dresser drawer.
3) I stated in an earlier post I don't hit a bunch of casinos at once. I prefer to hit one day after day after day for months. So no, I don't have to travel. Sounds like you need a better hustle if you have to do all that travelling just to make a good amount.
4) Why I wrote about bus hustling has nothing to do with why I travel to casinos.
Quote: WizardofnothingIf you think mail requires daily continual play then you know zero about ap and I'll leave it at that- stick to the bus hustle you seem to know it well
Why do you keep insisting I am bus hustling? I did that years ago.
Everyone on here reading this thread can see who the real AP is and I should point out that your name "Wizardofnothing" is probably closer to reality than you intended.
Quote: WizardofnothingYou are right in wizard of nothing with is right I'm not outing plays and writing a book- those that can do those that can't write books
I'm sure Stanford Wong, Ken Uston and Bob Dancer would all agree with you.
Quote: djatcI need you guys to keep talking into the microphone, I'm taking notes on east coast casinos.
I was going to suggest they both just whip it out and get out the rulers.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI was going to suggest they both just whip it out and get out the rulers.
If you are referring to penis size I happen to be Jewish - so I will be keeping it in my pants :)
Sorry to hear that. Both you and your book will need to get cut or there's a chance of major infections.Quote: darkozIf you are referring to penis size I happen to be Jewish - so I will be keeping it in my pants :)
Quote: AxelWolfSorry to hear that. Both you and your book will need to get cut or there's a chance of major infections.
If jewish he was on the 8th day of life. It's what the mohel does that gives me the shivers. These guys are a hoot.
