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OnceDear
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August 5th, 2021 at 11:36:05 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I was excited to see the two new people but if its going to be the same moderation only with different names, I don't see how that will turn around the forum.

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August 5th, 2021 at 11:37:38 AM permalink
As my friend Travis once said.; Someday a real rain will come....
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August 5th, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM permalink
I know Wiz has said it before:
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I'd say the ratio of complaints to compliments of forum management is about 100 to 1.


So, at the risk of unleashing 100 complaints to even things out, I'd like to thank all the Mods, especially our two newest, for their service in keeping WoV a nice place.


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August 5th, 2021 at 11:47:57 AM permalink
Billy…. I don’t think you are targeting the right people…. OnceDear and the two new moderators….

The members you perceive as problems, the ones who virtually always win at negative expectation games, are expressly allowed to post their claims as per the Wizard. If one of the new moderators decided today to suspend one of them for no other reason than their claims are ridiculous, the Wizard would overrule that new moderator.
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August 5th, 2021 at 11:58:24 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Billy…. I don’t think you are targeting the right people…. OnceDear and the two new moderators….

The members you perceive as problems, the ones who virtually always win at negative expectation games, are expressly allowed to post their claims as per the Wizard. If one of the new moderators decided today to suspend one of them for no other reason than their claims are ridiculous, the Wizard would overrule that new moderator.



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August 5th, 2021 at 12:06:58 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

So, at the risk of unleashing 100 complaints to even things out, I'd like to thank all the Mods, especially our two newest, for their service in keeping WoV a nice place.



Thank you! That cancels out the last 100 complaints for me.

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In other news, I see no reason for this thread to remain open. To billryan and my other critics, if you don't like the way I police this forum, don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.
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August 5th, 2021 at 12:45:53 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

At some point, I'd think the administrators would want to know why so many long time members no longer post here. I'm surprised by some who evidently read what goes on and and will correspond with me about it but no longer will post here. Having a new moderator who says he is in complete agreement with the moderation of the past year or so is disappointing. I was hoping new blood would give the place a good sweeping but seems like it will be more of the same old, same old, with members being allowed to make ridiculous claims and no one allowed to challenge them to challenge them. I look forward to a new wave of Sic Bo APS delighting us with their photos of suites and fancy garter belts.



Look, I have posted in the past the same thoughts -that there are a lot of valuable former members who don't post here any more. So,please believe that I am sympathetic with the sentiment you are expressing. I would be interested in hearing more from you on the subject.

I said I was in complete agreement with the style of moderating of the past two years because its true: I think the moderation style has changed and generally has been less heavy handed, and more thoughtful. I don't think its constructive to be more specific than that.

But, on my first days on a new job, I am going to concentrate on building relationships and on learning the various aspects of my job. Don't you think it is unfair to expect anyone to walk into a new job and proclaim on Day One that they are going to address old grievances and make them right and make changes in the way business is done? I would be a pretty sorry new volunteer if I did that, and a pretty unsuccessful one.

Here's what you can expect about the moderating style in WOV: it will change. Because, everything changes all the time. It may change and get better or it may change and get worse, I don't know which. But I will try to be a part of inspiring change for the better, whatever the heck "better" is. And I will honor my relationships with forum members, other moderators and the Wizard, whenever we have those kinds of discussions.

I also want to acknowledge that I was surprised and impressed with the Wizard for asking me to be a moderator, because I have indeed had a record in the past for advocating for changes in the way the Forum is moderated. I think that's pretty cool and definitely merits respect.
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August 5th, 2021 at 1:56:11 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Don't you think it is unfair to expect anyone to walk into a new job and proclaim on Day One that they are going to address old grievances and make them right and make changes in the way business is done?



Any past grievances precede my term in office.
My role is to address continuing and new grievances.
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August 5th, 2021 at 5:33:17 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Any past grievances precede my term in office.
My role is to address continuing and new grievances.



Amen to that. I'm all in favor of some new blood and a new way of doing things.
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