Donate option -- Save the Wizard sites.
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June 6th, 2014 at 2:29:46 PM
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After much thinking and discussions with others, I have swallowed my pride and taken out my tin cup. If you look at the bottom of the site, just to the right of my name, you'll see a link that says "Donate." That will lead you to this page. Similar buttons appear on my Odds and Macau sites.
The last time I was in financial trouble and asked for donations the number of people in the entire world that made one was two. I'm hoping to beat that record this time.
I take this step because revenue is down about 65% from its all time high. Effective August 1, I will no longer be exclusive to Bodog/Bovada and will go back to a multiple-advertiser model, for the first time in several years. I will also be putting more of an emphasis on Internet gambling on my Odds site, which should bring in eyeballs that will convert to paying customers better. Nevertheless, I have a history of making bad business decisions and this change may be yet another one.
Future changes aside, through the years many have told me that they wished to support my sites financially but had no intention of ever gambling on the Internet. This option is now possible. If you've enjoyed any of my sites, and never clicked through my banners to become a paying customer, now is your chance to return the favor.
Thank you for your consideration.
For those who have read this appeal and still won't donate, the question for the forum is why not?
The last time I was in financial trouble and asked for donations the number of people in the entire world that made one was two. I'm hoping to beat that record this time.
I take this step because revenue is down about 65% from its all time high. Effective August 1, I will no longer be exclusive to Bodog/Bovada and will go back to a multiple-advertiser model, for the first time in several years. I will also be putting more of an emphasis on Internet gambling on my Odds site, which should bring in eyeballs that will convert to paying customers better. Nevertheless, I have a history of making bad business decisions and this change may be yet another one.
Future changes aside, through the years many have told me that they wished to support my sites financially but had no intention of ever gambling on the Internet. This option is now possible. If you've enjoyed any of my sites, and never clicked through my banners to become a paying customer, now is your chance to return the favor.
Thank you for your consideration.
For those who have read this appeal and still won't donate, the question for the forum is why not?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 6th, 2014 at 2:52:21 PM
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Have you thought of reverting to the old design for your sites ?
June 6th, 2014 at 3:08:20 PM
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Quote: MangoJHave you thought of reverting to the old design for your sites ?
No. That is not an option. I've invested too much in the new design to turn back. It will be much more flexible to change the new site to support a different advertising model.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 6th, 2014 at 3:09:08 PM
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Fellow WoV Members and WoO users......IMHO the appropriate contribution is at least equivalent to what you would pay for a Netflix membership. Figure that out and send in the annual cost using the Donate link below.
June 6th, 2014 at 3:15:11 PM
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Will you be vetting these new advertisers, Or will you be throwing caution to the wind due to starvation?
June 6th, 2014 at 3:18:03 PM
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I am sorry that you are having this financial trouble. I am in my own financial trouble right now so I will be unable to help. I hope you get all of the support that you need.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOW
June 6th, 2014 at 3:19:10 PM
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How does Wikipedia do it?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/cash_rich_wikipedia_chugging/
"But what Wikipedia doesn't tell us is that it is awash with cash - and raises far more money each year than it needs to keep operating."
"The original intention, according to the site's co-founder Jimmy Wales, was to fund Wikipedia through advertising revenue.
"If Wikipedia were to become wildly successful, in terms of web traffic,
then it would be easy to introduce just enough (and hopefully non-intrusive) advertising to continue to cover expenses," Wales wrote in 2001.
In 2006 Wales rejected that option"
"Wikipedia's aggressive annual fundraising drives have been phenomenally successful,"
"I wish I had money to donate to Wikipedia," writes Adama Diop.
either one is for donating or one is against donating
I never have thought about it
Maybe someone over at Wikipedia would make a very large donation to the Wizard of Odds
They both must be very high traffic sites in my opinion
and Wikipedia does use (without compensation) other's content don't they?
Sally
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/cash_rich_wikipedia_chugging/
"But what Wikipedia doesn't tell us is that it is awash with cash - and raises far more money each year than it needs to keep operating."
"The original intention, according to the site's co-founder Jimmy Wales, was to fund Wikipedia through advertising revenue.
"If Wikipedia were to become wildly successful, in terms of web traffic,
then it would be easy to introduce just enough (and hopefully non-intrusive) advertising to continue to cover expenses," Wales wrote in 2001.
In 2006 Wales rejected that option"
"Wikipedia's aggressive annual fundraising drives have been phenomenally successful,"
"I wish I had money to donate to Wikipedia," writes Adama Diop.
either one is for donating or one is against donating
I never have thought about it
Maybe someone over at Wikipedia would make a very large donation to the Wizard of Odds
They both must be very high traffic sites in my opinion
and Wikipedia does use (without compensation) other's content don't they?
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
June 6th, 2014 at 3:27:21 PM
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Quote: rainmanWill you be vetting these new advertisers, Or will you be throwing caution to the wind due to starvation?
I will be vetting them, of course. Principle always above money.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 6th, 2014 at 3:44:51 PM
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Well okay as tough as its going to be I will break my blood sucking leach policy and donate. I'm going to request a payout from
the big B and use that money, seems symbolic. :)
Oh, I couldn't resist going for the I don't like you option ...Hey you put it there!
the big B and use that money, seems symbolic. :)
Oh, I couldn't resist going for the I don't like you option ...Hey you put it there!
June 6th, 2014 at 3:46:37 PM
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I am glad you have given us this option, Wiz! Glad I can repay you somewhat for the services you provide. Of course, if I take into account how much the price of gold has fallen since I bought those coins from you....[jokes]
Personally I have decided to contribute the exact same amount I pay Stanford Wong for access to BJ21.com's green chip section. It is not a large sum of money, but I spend more time here nowadays anyway (perhaps to the detriment of my development as an AP, but whatever).
Personally I have decided to contribute the exact same amount I pay Stanford Wong for access to BJ21.com's green chip section. It is not a large sum of money, but I spend more time here nowadays anyway (perhaps to the detriment of my development as an AP, but whatever).
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
June 6th, 2014 at 3:53:21 PM
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Quote: WizardAfter much thinking and discussions with others, I have swallowed my pride and taken out my tin cup. If you look at the bottom of the site, just to the right of my name, you'll see a link that says "Donate." That will lead you to this page. Similar buttons appear on my Odds and Macau sites.
Thank you for your consideration.
May I suggest that you put a DONATE /SUBSCRIPTIONS button at THE TOP of the page as nobody is ever going to find that one at the bottom
here is a site I am on that has it that way..... http://www.autoworker.net/forums/
I used to work with the fella that runs that site building Chrysler minivans. When he asked for donations many gave including retirees and people like me who no longer worked there but understood his intentions with having the site.
Is it really begging( in reference to you saying you have your tin cup out) if you provide a service in return?
June 6th, 2014 at 3:55:37 PM
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Quote: GWAEI am sorry that you are having this financial trouble. I am in my own financial trouble right now so I will be unable to help. I hope you get all of the support that you need.
Basically this...when I actually get some kind of career again, I'll be donating.
June 6th, 2014 at 4:04:50 PM
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Can the no votes just shut their traps? By your comments, you're hurting the success of the campaign beyond doing nothing. Usually people don't have the courage to say no without the leadership of those before them. Shhh.
I am a robot.
June 6th, 2014 at 4:08:25 PM
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PayPal is the devil. They won't accept either of my cards, and there's otherwise no problem with either card.
I swore off PayPal years ago due to philosophical differences and I was just reminded of why I made that decision.
Wizard, if you can find any other way to take my money I'll be happy to send it.
I swore off PayPal years ago due to philosophical differences and I was just reminded of why I made that decision.
Wizard, if you can find any other way to take my money I'll be happy to send it.
June 6th, 2014 at 4:11:42 PM
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I was hoping for stretch goals and perks for various amounts (a la Kickstarter).
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
June 6th, 2014 at 4:42:21 PM
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Hell, WoO or 2 minutes in front of a $5 WoF slot. No difference. I'm in.
A falling knife has no handle.
June 6th, 2014 at 5:20:53 PM
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Quote: TerribleTomPayPal is the devil. They won't accept either of my cards, and there's otherwise no problem with either card.
I swore off PayPal years ago due to philosophical differences and I was just reminded of why I made that decision.
Wizard, if you can find any other way to take my money I'll be happy to send it.
Had this exact problem today. Tried multiple times.
Mike, I will be in contact with you re the Advertising issue.
June 6th, 2014 at 5:27:33 PM
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I ended up using PayPal for a direct debit to my bank. CC would not work. Wiz, perhaps you could set up a P.O. Box to mail checks to as that would avoid Paypal & CC charges on your end.
June 6th, 2014 at 5:37:20 PM
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I myself would be happy to mail a check.
June 6th, 2014 at 5:49:08 PM
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Quote: midwestgbI myself would be happy to mail a check.
June 6th, 2014 at 6:11:25 PM
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Quote: coilmanMay I suggest that you put a DONATE /SUBSCRIPTIONS button at THE TOP of the page as nobody is ever going to find that one at the bottom
+10^100.
And also amke the donate (or tip) button MUCH BIGGER. If people don't see it, they won't click it. For good measure add the words "CLICK HERE TO DONATE"
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
June 6th, 2014 at 6:36:03 PM
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I don't want to be too obnoxious about donations, like NPR is at fund raising time. However, I can see that maybe I should be a little more forceful about it.
Sorry to those who have had difficulty. I'd be happy to set up a PO box for checks and money orders. I hope to set that up on Monday.
Sorry to those who have had difficulty. I'd be happy to set up a PO box for checks and money orders. I hope to set that up on Monday.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
June 6th, 2014 at 6:43:31 PM
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I'll be donating..but let me see how the Belmont turns out
June 6th, 2014 at 10:34:49 PM
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Quote: WizardAfter much thinking and discussions with others, I have swallowed my pride and taken out my tin cup. If you look at the bottom of the site, just to the right of my name, you'll see a link that says "Donate." That will lead you to this page. Similar buttons appear on my Odds and Macau sites.
The last time I was in financial trouble and asked for donations the number of people in the entire world that made one was two. I'm hoping to beat that record this time.
I take this step because revenue is down about 65% from its all time high. Effective August 1, I will no longer be exclusive to Bodog/Bovada and will go back to a multiple-advertiser model, for the first time in several years. I will also be putting more of an emphasis on Internet gambling on my Odds site, which should bring in eyeballs that will convert to paying customers better. Nevertheless, I have a history of making bad business decisions and this change may be yet another one.
Future changes aside, through the years many have told me that they wished to support my sites financially but had no intention of ever gambling on the Internet. This option is now possible. If you've enjoyed any of my sites, and never clicked through my banners to become a paying customer, now is your chance to return the favor.
Thank you for your consideration.
For those who have read this appeal and still won't donate, the question for the forum is why not?
How much money do you need to raise? PM me if you would like. How long will that money keep you going?
June 6th, 2014 at 10:50:55 PM
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I'm in. Money sent via PayPal with no issues.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
June 6th, 2014 at 11:49:00 PM
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Quote: WizardI've invested too much in the new design to turn back.
Without your background it's easy to say, but these are sunken costs. You can't revert these, and as such should never influence any future decisions.
How much the car costs one has just wrecked is irrelevant once it's crashed. The only question considered is how much an adequate substitute is.
June 7th, 2014 at 1:20:34 AM
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May I suggest a "donation thankyous" thread, for those that don't oppose being mentioned. You need to keep the donation option in people's minds. Also, I agree with making the button more prominent. "I will accept donations" but "I will hide the button" seems like a bad idea.
I wanted to mention for a while that I have been using the odds site a lot less since the change. Reasons:
- Some pages messed up on my up-to-date firefox. The UTH page at least has overlapping frames with unreadable text and tables. I have been wanting to send screenshots but found no option on both sites to do so.
-Navigation is a pain in the ass with all the submenus, layout is cluttered and looks like an automatically generated scammer site.
-The white on black parts hurt my eyes
- The one-column list of games is a nightmare. I used to just browse the site for fun and read about games I had never heard of, I haven't done this anymore with the new site, since it is too frustrating with the new design.
[I am not the target group for online gambling signups though.]
I wanted to mention for a while that I have been using the odds site a lot less since the change. Reasons:
- Some pages messed up on my up-to-date firefox. The UTH page at least has overlapping frames with unreadable text and tables. I have been wanting to send screenshots but found no option on both sites to do so.
-Navigation is a pain in the ass with all the submenus, layout is cluttered and looks like an automatically generated scammer site.
-The white on black parts hurt my eyes
- The one-column list of games is a nightmare. I used to just browse the site for fun and read about games I had never heard of, I haven't done this anymore with the new site, since it is too frustrating with the new design.
[I am not the target group for online gambling signups though.]
June 7th, 2014 at 1:44:09 AM
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I sent over a little cash... I'd prefer to pay via Bitcoin rather than Paypal, though. You should look into it as a donation option.
I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center.
June 7th, 2014 at 1:50:47 AM
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Dear Wizard,
I'll be donating $?00.
Can you PM me your PayPal account, as I can't get the money in from the Pay-Pal link from this site.
P.S. If some one donated more then my $?00, I will match him/her up to $1000 (Wizard, keep me inform on this).
I'll be donating $?00.
Can you PM me your PayPal account, as I can't get the money in from the Pay-Pal link from this site.
P.S. If some one donated more then my $?00, I will match him/her up to $1000 (Wizard, keep me inform on this).
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
June 7th, 2014 at 4:39:24 AM
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I have been coming to this site for a couple of years, and have read almost every post. You have developed an excellent reputation especially for giving great advice for the new or casual gambler.
I would like to suggest you check out the site "Hardcore History". This is the only other forum that I go to on a regular basis.
Dan Carlin at Hardcore History seems to have achieved some success in the new media world with a series of history podcasts.
If you were able to put together some gambling podcasts, these could become required listening for Vegas travelers,
Note: i dont have paypal but my wife and I did buy the VP app on Itunes.
Good luck and thanks for your hard work!
I would like to suggest you check out the site "Hardcore History". This is the only other forum that I go to on a regular basis.
Dan Carlin at Hardcore History seems to have achieved some success in the new media world with a series of history podcasts.
If you were able to put together some gambling podcasts, these could become required listening for Vegas travelers,
Note: i dont have paypal but my wife and I did buy the VP app on Itunes.
Good luck and thanks for your hard work!
One Day at a Time
June 7th, 2014 at 4:49:55 AM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI'm in. Money sent via PayPal with no issues.
I couldn't figure that out, but I am in and will have to make my donation "SUBSCRIPTION" the old fashioned way to the PO BOX (or whatever) when it is available.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
June 7th, 2014 at 5:00:59 AM
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Do banks over in the states offer EMTs? electronic money transfers
All of the ones in Canada do for those that bank online its by far the easiest way to transfer funds from one person to another all you need really is their email address
All of the ones in Canada do for those that bank online its by far the easiest way to transfer funds from one person to another all you need really is their email address
June 7th, 2014 at 5:17:45 AM
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Wizard, I am going to mail you a check as my PayPal account seems not to be working. Can you pm me your business address?
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You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
June 7th, 2014 at 5:32:32 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsPersonally I have decided to contribute
Quote: TerribleTomI'll be happy to send it.
Quote: MoscaI'm in.
Quote: ParadigmI ended up using PayPal
Quote: midwestgbI myself would be happy to mail a check.
Quote: MrCasinoGamesI'll be donating $?00.
Quote: boymimboI am going to mail you a check
I just donated through Paypal. The number of people known to donate this time around vis a vis last time has already increased by a factor of 400%, and no doubt some I missed, some forgot to say they would or did donate, and some just silently gave. I'll probably donate annually, but you got lucky that the timing this time was during a stock market surge [g]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
June 7th, 2014 at 5:47:22 AM
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I've donated an amount that I would be willing to donate each year for the use of your forums.
Thank you for the service you provide to those interested in learning about the world of casino gambling...you certainly opened my eyes to things like why Planet Hollywood was all over me with free rooms and upgrades when I was betting $50 a bet or higher on Roulette for hours and hours one trip...
(I was betting two columns of the three at over $50 average bet for about 12 hours a day--worst losing trip ever, even though the internets said it was a great system...)
Thank you for the service you provide to those interested in learning about the world of casino gambling...you certainly opened my eyes to things like why Planet Hollywood was all over me with free rooms and upgrades when I was betting $50 a bet or higher on Roulette for hours and hours one trip...
(I was betting two columns of the three at over $50 average bet for about 12 hours a day--worst losing trip ever, even though the internets said it was a great system...)
June 7th, 2014 at 6:18:01 AM
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I'm not going to donate. Sorry.
I bought your book though.
I bought your book though.
June 7th, 2014 at 7:41:49 AM
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Wiz, you should consider adding a color change to Members names (similar to the green used for Admins, but obviously not green) that have contributed at least $x that calendar year to maintain the sites.
I don't know about others, but I would be much more inclined to spend time to attemp to add value on a topic I know about if the OP is from a Member that had showed a financial commitment to keep the Forum strong.
I don't know about others, but I would be much more inclined to spend time to attemp to add value on a topic I know about if the OP is from a Member that had showed a financial commitment to keep the Forum strong.
June 7th, 2014 at 7:59:52 AM
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Quote: Paradigm
I don't know about others, but I would be much more inclined to spend time to attemp to add value on a topic I know about if the OP is from a Member that had showed a financial commitment to keep the Forum strong.
+1
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
June 7th, 2014 at 8:16:44 AM
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I've never had a issue with paypal but I tried to send you a donation and it wouldn't accept my card. Maybe something is going on with paypal servers. I'll try again later.
June 7th, 2014 at 8:35:24 AM
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Just donated through paypal with no problem. Thank you for this site!
June 7th, 2014 at 8:36:42 AM
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I am delighted to get this opportunity to thank you for the time and effort invested in these sites.
PayPal is refusing my card, I don't know why. I'll try again in a few days. If it does not work I'll PM ou to see what is possible.
PayPal is refusing my card, I don't know why. I'll try again in a few days. If it does not work I'll PM ou to see what is possible.
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
June 7th, 2014 at 8:38:42 AM
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Wiz, this is a tough one for me. I've been involved in a couple of turnarounds and usually the first thing I do is ascertain whether the company has a good probability of achieving sustained profitability. I would never ask the ownership to contribute working capital unless I was relatively sure that the old adage of "throwing good money after bad" wasn't applicable. A rock solid plan is necessary because you don't want to risk financial death.
If you think you have a plan that will work then present it and I'll consider a donation. Make this a kind of an internet version of Shark Tank where the public is the shark and gets to quiz you and decide whether to donate.
If you think you have a plan that will work then present it and I'll consider a donation. Make this a kind of an internet version of Shark Tank where the public is the shark and gets to quiz you and decide whether to donate.
DO NOT blindly accept what has been spoken.
DO NOT blindly accept what has been written.
Think. Assess. Lead. DO NOT blindly follow.
June 7th, 2014 at 8:39:49 AM
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Tried to donate through Paypal using the link here. Not sure why, but the card-to-address correlation was wrong & PP wouldn't let me change it. Had to log in directly, delete other cards & addresses, & then the donation here worked. It seems like Paypal's off-site donation system has more than a few bugs & bad assumptions built in.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
June 7th, 2014 at 8:46:01 AM
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Hell !Quote: steeldcoWiz, this is a tough one for me. I've been involved in a couple of turnarounds and usually the first thing I do is ascertain whether the company has a good probability of achieving sustained profitability. I would never ask the ownership to contribute working capital unless I was relatively sure that the old adage of "throwing good money after bad" wasn't applicable. A rock solid plan is necessary because you don't want to risk financial death.
If you think you have a plan that will work then present it and I'll consider a donation. Make this a kind of an internet version of Shark Tank where the public is the shark and gets to quiz you and decide whether to donate.
We are not investors ! We are customers. If you are satisfied with the service, "donate" is actually "subscribe" or "tip".
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
June 7th, 2014 at 8:49:00 AM
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kubikulann, sorry if I upset, but I think you missed my point.....and that's OK. It probably wasn't worth making.....
DO NOT blindly accept what has been spoken.
DO NOT blindly accept what has been written.
Think. Assess. Lead. DO NOT blindly follow.
June 7th, 2014 at 8:52:27 AM
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kubikulann, actually there 2 points that I had meant to make.
1.) Raising enough to survive just a short limited time isn't worth it.
2.) Is there a way to make this an event?
1.) Raising enough to survive just a short limited time isn't worth it.
2.) Is there a way to make this an event?
DO NOT blindly accept what has been spoken.
DO NOT blindly accept what has been written.
Think. Assess. Lead. DO NOT blindly follow.
June 7th, 2014 at 8:59:11 AM
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I am active in amateur theatre. We are not in for the money, but we need to cover the expenses.
Years ago, groups were selling programmes at a predefined price. Recently, the fashion is to say to customers to "give what they want". The result is a better figure overall.
But what works in face-to-face encounters is, probably, not true in electronic encounters. How to convince people to "tip" when they are satisfied with the service?
Years ago, groups were selling programmes at a predefined price. Recently, the fashion is to say to customers to "give what they want". The result is a better figure overall.
But what works in face-to-face encounters is, probably, not true in electronic encounters. How to convince people to "tip" when they are satisfied with the service?
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
June 7th, 2014 at 9:03:12 AM
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Quote: kubikulannI am active in amateur theatre. We are not in for the money, but we need to cover the expenses.
Years ago, groups were selling programmes at a predefined price. Recently, the fashion is to say to customers to "give what they want". The result is a better figure overall.?
OK. I get it. So how can this site raise enough to cover expenses on a sustained basis? That is the question.
Quote: kubikulannBut what works in face-to-face encounters is, probably, not true in electronic encounters. How to convince people to "tip" when they are satisfied with the service?
An event works. I don't think it necessarily has to be face to face. So the question is can an event be created around this that not only draws "tips" from users, but also brings more in users?
DO NOT blindly accept what has been spoken.
DO NOT blindly accept what has been written.
Think. Assess. Lead. DO NOT blindly follow.
June 7th, 2014 at 9:11:56 AM
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I'll just throw this out there.......probably worthless but ya never know.
How about a WOV Wall of Fame and Wall of Shame. There's a enough bickering going on here that maybe you can get users to cough up a buck to place someone on a Wall of Shame, or put up a buck to move someone from the Wall of Shame to the Wall of Fame......or, well, you get the picture. Some sort of game in here somewhere?
How about a WOV Wall of Fame and Wall of Shame. There's a enough bickering going on here that maybe you can get users to cough up a buck to place someone on a Wall of Shame, or put up a buck to move someone from the Wall of Shame to the Wall of Fame......or, well, you get the picture. Some sort of game in here somewhere?
DO NOT blindly accept what has been spoken.
DO NOT blindly accept what has been written.
Think. Assess. Lead. DO NOT blindly follow.
June 7th, 2014 at 9:19:46 AM
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Quote: mdsJust donated through paypal with no problem. Thank you for this site!
Same here. Donation went right through.
