pacomartin
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June 5th, 2010 at 11:28:51 PM permalink
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Or maybe the hotel owners just have to really market those rooms well. Look at all the people who complain about stingy comps? Why are casinos so reluctant to say Comp All The Rooms and be done with it.



While it is true that hotel rooms take second place to gaming as a revenue source, it is a mistake to think that it is not important to the business. Since the 1950's hotels in Nevada have built a massive oversupply of rooms relative to other states.

Nevada has by far the largest average size hotel, and the most number of rooms per person of any state (13.9 people per room). Quick review of the major vacation states:

State Hotels Avg. Rooms Capita/Rooms
Nevada 584 320.7 13.9
District of Columbia 115 237.9 21.6
Hawaii 279 202.9 22.8
Vermont 291 56.7 37.6
South Carolina 1,086 95.5 43.2
Florida 3,538 114.3 45.3
Maine 507 55.7 46.6
Colorado 1,151 87.7 49.0



The economics of cheap rooms in order to provide heads in beds and people to play slot machines has long ago been surpassed. There are as many slot machines as hotel rooms now in Nevada. The casinos can't afford to provide rooms for any cheaper. They are now down to the point where they are critical to financial survivability.

If you give away rooms for free you are likely to fill them with people who are running from their family for the night, or people who show up with a cooler full of sandwiches and beer. If you are in Vegas, they are just as likely to go to a strip club as to gamble in your casino.
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June 6th, 2010 at 4:19:30 AM permalink
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If you give away rooms for free you are likely to fill them with people who are running from their family for the night, or people who show up with a cooler full of sandwiches and beer. If you are in Vegas, they are just as likely to go to a strip club as to gamble in your casino.

Doesn't someone running from their family for a night want to go to the casino? Its not "heads in beds" its supposed to be "gambler's heads in beds". So what should the hotel do? Make it better marketing to gamblers rather than gawkers or clubbers? Guys go to a strip club for a variety of reasons but usually just get clipped. Is it that the strip club is viewed as a better deal than the casino? If so, that is the fault OF THE CASINO.
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June 6th, 2010 at 4:32:48 AM permalink
Is there any reason why casinos can't own strip clubs?

I wouldn't favor putting strip clubs in the same building as the hotel and casino. But if Wynn bought some strip clubs and offered free shuttles/limos to his properties, well, he pretty much licks that problem, doesn't he?
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June 6th, 2010 at 5:48:38 AM permalink
I'm not sure if anyone here watches how I met your mother... but I want Wynn to add a fire breathing dinosaur head to Wynn and a strip club in the latter end. That would be fucking awesome.
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June 9th, 2010 at 12:53:58 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Is there any reason why casinos can't own strip clubs?

I wouldn't favor putting strip clubs in the same building as the hotel and casino. But if Wynn bought some strip clubs and offered free shuttles/limos to his properties, well, he pretty much licks that problem, doesn't he?



Casinos are very afraid of getting caught up in prostitution charges or illegal drugs. Whatever money that the strip club makes would not offset shutting the casino down for even a day.

Because there are a number of strip clubs within walking distance of the Rio casino, Harrah's experimented with integrating the two activities. They invited paid topless women into the adult pool, and began co-marketing with Saphire's strip club. They shut down the operation after only a few months because of hints of prostitution.

Many people did not see any conflict. Gambling is an adult activity that appeals largely to men, as do topless women. They seem like a natural connection. It would help an off-strip casino stand out from the crowd of casinos. Prostitutes are attracted to money, and are available in the vicinity of most casinos.

There is a small strip club on Fremont Street called Glitter Gulch. The owner of the business also owns two nearby slot clubs (Mermaids and La Bayou). I imagine several of the women hawking beads outside of the slot clubs probably work as strippers as well. He petitioned the NGCB to add slots to the strip club, but testimony as to prostitution that may occur inside the club killed the proposal.

Once again, you can find prostitutes working the Fremont Street Experience every night of the week (especially after midnight). So it does seem kind of stupid to single out the business. Nobody accused the strip club owner of being a pimp. But there is a strong urge to get casino owners to police every aspect of their establishments.
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June 9th, 2010 at 2:42:13 PM permalink
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Casinos are very afraid of getting caught up in prostitution charges or illegal drugs. Whatever money that the strip club makes would not offset shutting the casino down for even a day.



Ok. Then why not set up some form of partnership with the strip clubs? Something like giving kickbacks to the hotels for sending them business, only legally codified in a contract. The hotels could run shuttles to and from their partners.
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June 9th, 2010 at 3:54:39 PM permalink
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Ok. Then why not set up some form of partnership with the strip clubs? Something like giving kickbacks to the hotels for sending them business, only legally codified in a contract. The hotels could run shuttles to and from their partners.



Nareed , there are at least a dozen shows on the strip that include some kind of nudity on stage. Nudity has always been a big draw in many places (including Vegas). I am not sure that mixing it into the gaming places will work. Now Circus Circus may find that it is hopelessly in trouble and close their Adventuredome family amusement park. They have trapeze artists that work above the gaming areas. It is possible to find skilled acrobats that will work topless.

But strip clubs are a lot of single mothers who do lap dances and cater to drunks who want to be close to naked women. I am not sure that this would be salvation of a casino.

Major international companies do not need that kind of publicity. One of the real growth divisions for MGM MIRAGE is managing high end hotels around the world. In that business they are competing directly with Ritz-Carlton. I don't think a press announcement that MGM MIRAGE has teemed with the Sapphire strip club will help their business.

Erotic, suggestive and glamorous stage images are one thing. They are far more commonplace in European shows than in the United States. I just don't think the companies are going to become profitable by dabbling in schlock.


Even mayor Goodman's suggestion to set up a legal red-light district inside the city limits of Vegas was aimed at neighborhoods that already have large numbers of working prostitutes. He was simply trying to legalize it, control the spread of disease, eliminate the pimps, and tax the business.
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June 9th, 2010 at 4:07:57 PM permalink
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But strip clubs are a lot of single mothers who do lap dances and cater to drunks who want to be close to naked women. I am not sure that this would be salvation of a casino.



I know that. For the record I've never been to a strip club and have no particular desire to visit one, either.

But if casinos cmplain they're losing money to strip clubs, then they can do one of three things: 1) run the strip clubs out of town (impossible, and highly unethical), 2) join with the strip clubs in some way, 3) stop whining about it.
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June 9th, 2010 at 5:01:21 PM permalink
"There is a small strip club on Fremont Street called Glitter Gulch. The owner of the business also owns two nearby slot clubs (Mermaids and La Bayou). I imagine several of the women hawking beads outside of the slot clubs probably work as strippers as well. He petitioned the NGCB to add slots to the strip club, but testimony as to prostitution that may occur inside the club killed the proposal."
You are right. The girls hawking beads also work accross the street. The strip club is more much more profitable than the slot business.

"Once again, you can find prostitutes working the Fremont Street Experience." Yep. I have been proped many times on Fremont street. Usually very straight forward on Fremont street. At CR the girls usually want help making bets and need cash to round off the bet. At MB I usually get asked if I want a date or the very pretty young ladies want to talk and are more subtle without saying anything.
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June 9th, 2010 at 6:24:18 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

But if casinos complain they're losing money to strip clubs.



It's not so much that casinos are losing money to strip clubs, a casino can't afford to be renting rooms. A Motel 6 can survive with 50%-60% occupancy rates, and people can rent a room and the motel will still make a profit. The motel doesn't care where you go.

Even a place like Circus circus needs to make $170 per room per night. If they rent a room out for $35 they are hoping that the customers will spend money on gambling, food, or the Adventuredome. If the customer uses them as a cheap and convenient motel and patronizes the strip club then Circus Circus has to make up the money somewhere else or go bankrupt.

As casino rooms get cheaper and cheaper there is more and more danger of them being used as rooms of convenience. The discounting only works so far.

I mention Circus circus only because it is the only major casino within easy walking distance of the strip clubs.

The casino can't afford to rent rooms to people who need privacy and quiet to study for their law exams either, but there are a lot more people looking to rent rooms to go to strip clubs than to study for their law exams.

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