I win too much to be comped! Is that possible?
August 28th, 2012 at 6:52:03 PM
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Dan,
I generally agree with you, don't forget. You have alluded to coming a naked and unconscious Kim Kardashian and a naked and unconscious sister-in-law (I think) in your posts. The assumption I made was that you were referring to that particular felony, though I could be wrong.
I generally agree with you, don't forget. You have alluded to coming a naked and unconscious Kim Kardashian and a naked and unconscious sister-in-law (I think) in your posts. The assumption I made was that you were referring to that particular felony, though I could be wrong.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 28th, 2012 at 6:55:32 PM
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SONBP2
I believe it to be a sign of the times.
I, too, play in the North West casino’s ; Santa Fe, Cannery, Texas Station, Fiesta Rancho, Suncoast, Rampart, Red Rock Resort and they all seem stingy with their comps.
Unfortunately obtaining player respect for the play is not what it use to be.
In many cases I tend not to offer my players card because it carries very little value. ( some monthly coupons, free bets or maybe a 2 fer 1 buffet)
I play to show profit and don’t feel guilty about it, because that is my true intent. Comps are nice, but not worthy of the hassle.
As far as jumping ship to another casino, Do It , but don’t expect any big changes. However, if you’re been fairly lucky in taking the casino’s money, stick it to them.
SONBP2
I believe it to be a sign of the times.
I, too, play in the North West casino’s ; Santa Fe, Cannery, Texas Station, Fiesta Rancho, Suncoast, Rampart, Red Rock Resort and they all seem stingy with their comps.
Unfortunately obtaining player respect for the play is not what it use to be.
In many cases I tend not to offer my players card because it carries very little value. ( some monthly coupons, free bets or maybe a 2 fer 1 buffet)
I play to show profit and don’t feel guilty about it, because that is my true intent. Comps are nice, but not worthy of the hassle.
As far as jumping ship to another casino, Do It , but don’t expect any big changes. However, if you’re been fairly lucky in taking the casino’s money, stick it to them.
August 28th, 2012 at 7:08:23 PM
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Quote: Mission146Dan,
I generally agree with you, don't forget. You have alluded to coming a naked and unconscious Kim Kardashian and a naked and unconscious sister-in-law (I think) in your posts. The assumption I made was that you were referring to that particular felony, though I could be wrong.
You are wrong. I used that "passed out Kim Kardashian" analogy to show that people will be presented choices to be opportunistic in nature - as a very clear example of opportunistic behavior. And that was in a thread where Baccarat players deliberately maneuvered an ordered, stacked Baccarat shoe that plopped into their laps. I didn't say they were rapists or felonious, I was saying they were absolute opportunists. They were.
Card counting is not opportunistic per se, it is planned and premeditated. Card counters plan out, then look for and search positive count shoes in a very meticulous fashion. They keep note books and track casinos, their dealers, shift times, etc. and calculate the returns. Counters work, nothing falls into their laps.
But these Baccarat players were totally opportunistic, - the shoe passed out right on their laps!
And yes, those Baccarat players were absolutely 100% opportunistic: they knew the shoe was stacked (mathematically undeniable), and tried to take full advantage of it. Now THEY - those "non-card counters" playing on a stacked deck presented to them - took full advantage of the situation in exactly such a fashion.
I did not say card-counting is the opportunistic playing of a stacked shoe - as that is the premeditated search of a shoe with a positive count.
What the Golden Nugget Baccarat Players did was absolutely blatant, and yeah they - and not any card counters, - were opportinistic (undeniable) and felonious like that (in my opinion: playing a known stacked shoe on a live money game at a sanctioned casino is criminal in my opinion, no matter who stacked it, or how it got stacked.)
But not card counters. I never said card counters were that serious an ethical failure, though low in my book.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 28th, 2012 at 7:24:55 PM
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You're correct about your use of the analogy, so I apologize. It is still not the analogy I would have chosen, especially since the casino will not feel any long-lasting emotionally damaging and live-ruining effects.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 28th, 2012 at 7:32:17 PM
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Quote: Mission146You're correct about your use of the analogy, so I apologize. It is still not the analogy I would have chosen, especially since the casino will not feel any long-lasting emotionally damaging and live-ruining effects.
Oh yes they do: when AP Players and (differentially and more severely) cheats hit a place, - dealers, workers, and floormen get fired. I know a dealer who got fired over TWO capped bets of $3 each - on a $3 game - and his life fell apart when he was unemployed. And the player was formerly arrested with charges from the casino manager, a college kid with a criminal record for the rest of his life. There goes that finance and banking career. The wheels came off their carts something horribly. Two families, one incident, from two capped bets of $3 each. This was in 2006.
Edit/addition: I now feel differently for the kid with a casino fraud criminal record; he will have a tough professional life when that pops up on a corporate background check. He was more ignorant than anything else. It may have been better if he had been pistol whipped and told "What the HELL were you thinking??!!" than to have a criminal background record. Careers in finance, gaming, banking, hospitality, etc., are going to be tough.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 28th, 2012 at 7:44:54 PM
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That's very true. If anything cash-related shows up, I won't touch you, and all I do is run an Economy hotel!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 28th, 2012 at 8:09:01 PM
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" No - breaking the house rules for live money games is a no-no "
Gaming says a player has the right to see the house rules. No house rules are broken by counting.
Gaming says a player has the right to see the house rules. No house rules are broken by counting.
September 5th, 2012 at 5:51:10 AM
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This thread starts off with a guy asking, "Gee, I am sort of wondering about what is going on with my comps" and ends up being another chance for Dan to further his crusade and rail against any potentially unsavory characters. From what I can tell of this thread's current tirade, Dan thinks chopping back your comps was a great idea apparently. He probably derives great joy at the thought of depriving a customer of some comps to help insure they "pay the fee"... So shut up and pay the fee, damnit!
I have heard that whole thing about comps being calculated based on theoretical loss with some standardized formula but it doesn't appear to work that way at all! Not even one little bit. Over the years, I have seen how a lot of different people's comp works out for them and the good and steady losers get the best comps, hands down! Show that you are the worst degenerate gambler going along with demonstrating that you are also about the unluckiest SOB on the planet but at least have a lot of money to blow and you will score some great comps. Outside of that I can't tell you much of the strange and mysterious ways that comps are determined other than the "based on theoretical loss" method is not actually used and someone told me a fib?
A lot of people try to gamble economically by taking advantage of promotional offers, coupons, etc. This will stretch your gambling dollars way out and allows you to play on a tight budget. If you jump on it when they offer various things, you know, such as "5X points multiplier day!" or using specific coupons or whatever, you can add to your comp balance over and above what it would have been if you are a frugal gambler that generates limited comps. Just watch doing too much of this because Dan might freak out on you and accuse you of being a "comp hustler" and wish harm to come to you since you didn't "pay the fee" is all.
I have heard that whole thing about comps being calculated based on theoretical loss with some standardized formula but it doesn't appear to work that way at all! Not even one little bit. Over the years, I have seen how a lot of different people's comp works out for them and the good and steady losers get the best comps, hands down! Show that you are the worst degenerate gambler going along with demonstrating that you are also about the unluckiest SOB on the planet but at least have a lot of money to blow and you will score some great comps. Outside of that I can't tell you much of the strange and mysterious ways that comps are determined other than the "based on theoretical loss" method is not actually used and someone told me a fib?
A lot of people try to gamble economically by taking advantage of promotional offers, coupons, etc. This will stretch your gambling dollars way out and allows you to play on a tight budget. If you jump on it when they offer various things, you know, such as "5X points multiplier day!" or using specific coupons or whatever, you can add to your comp balance over and above what it would have been if you are a frugal gambler that generates limited comps. Just watch doing too much of this because Dan might freak out on you and accuse you of being a "comp hustler" and wish harm to come to you since you didn't "pay the fee" is all.
October 16th, 2012 at 9:19:33 AM
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Here is a true story about comps and such...
For the longest time, I basically got all my "comps" via the crap table....and I was getting BIG comps (They rate the odds bet). I got on the "A" mailer list...
Now, there were other, BIGGER, players than me at the crap table...and I always figured they got WAAAY more in comps than I did...
So, I had so much comps and played so frequently, that I began taking the dealers out to eat after their shift (yes, I played a LOT and so basically I became friends with them all)
Then, all of a sudden, my comps started getting reduced...now, I know I wasn't playing any less...
This is because, what happened was, all the pit personnel thought that I used my comps for hotel stays, etc...when I was using my MAILER for all of that and using my comps to STRICTLY eat on (and not even using them ALL, because I had SO much in comps; literally one month I had $1000 in comps)
Remember, casino employee's work FOR THE CASINO (as opposed to a lot of people; even dealers; stating they work FOR YOU)...so what these dealers had done, was report back to the pit personnel, that I was getting TOO MUCH comp and to reduce it. (Even though no "heat" had came down on them)
So, I basically quit playing any form of table game, because I don't like it when my offers/comp/promo is decided by someone who can have ill-feelings towards me.
FWIW, I don't think anyone should ever play a table game, other than BJ (and only when the rules are favorable and you can count WELL)
Hence, I switched over to STRICTLY videopoker, because that way I KNOW what comp I am receiving and there is no lee-way, it is PURE BLACK AND WHITE.
For the longest time, I basically got all my "comps" via the crap table....and I was getting BIG comps (They rate the odds bet). I got on the "A" mailer list...
Now, there were other, BIGGER, players than me at the crap table...and I always figured they got WAAAY more in comps than I did...
So, I had so much comps and played so frequently, that I began taking the dealers out to eat after their shift (yes, I played a LOT and so basically I became friends with them all)
Then, all of a sudden, my comps started getting reduced...now, I know I wasn't playing any less...
This is because, what happened was, all the pit personnel thought that I used my comps for hotel stays, etc...when I was using my MAILER for all of that and using my comps to STRICTLY eat on (and not even using them ALL, because I had SO much in comps; literally one month I had $1000 in comps)
Remember, casino employee's work FOR THE CASINO (as opposed to a lot of people; even dealers; stating they work FOR YOU)...so what these dealers had done, was report back to the pit personnel, that I was getting TOO MUCH comp and to reduce it. (Even though no "heat" had came down on them)
So, I basically quit playing any form of table game, because I don't like it when my offers/comp/promo is decided by someone who can have ill-feelings towards me.
FWIW, I don't think anyone should ever play a table game, other than BJ (and only when the rules are favorable and you can count WELL)
Hence, I switched over to STRICTLY videopoker, because that way I KNOW what comp I am receiving and there is no lee-way, it is PURE BLACK AND WHITE.
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
October 16th, 2012 at 9:39:05 AM
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Win to much to get comped?
Is that like being too good looking to get laid?
Is that like being too good looking to get laid?
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:28:06 PM
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It is not out of the question to be honest.
I was a regular at a Trump casino and would always gets Gift offers, Matchplay coupons twice a week and Comped rooms any day.
A few years ago, I was on a tremendous run there over a 3 month period and accumulated around 5k in that time.
I noticed the next month that the Gift offers were gone, matchplay coupons cut to once a week + a lower amount and room Comps limited to Mon-Thurs.
Meanwhile, a friend with a much lower tier score was STILL getting all the gifts, match or slot play and room comps any day. Even though they hadn't come back since losing $1100 3 months earlier.
I called a host to ask why this was the case, and he said plain as day "Well, sometimes WINNING is the best gift and the rest just falls into place!"
So I told him "Then maybe I'll do my winning somewhere else then?" and hung up.
They did however give me fair Comp Dollars for meals,etc. But it is because the comping system is based on tier score earned in addition to buy-in/buy-out and avg. bet.
I did notice one time that I lost big, they were willing to give me extra comps to take 3 people to the buffet with me. But they made no bones about the other "Gifts" being removed because I was winning quite well that year.
Did it kill me? No, but it certainly shows poor judgement to think someone won't be offended by you taking away Offers, Gifts and commodities for such a petty reason.
I was a regular at a Trump casino and would always gets Gift offers, Matchplay coupons twice a week and Comped rooms any day.
A few years ago, I was on a tremendous run there over a 3 month period and accumulated around 5k in that time.
I noticed the next month that the Gift offers were gone, matchplay coupons cut to once a week + a lower amount and room Comps limited to Mon-Thurs.
Meanwhile, a friend with a much lower tier score was STILL getting all the gifts, match or slot play and room comps any day. Even though they hadn't come back since losing $1100 3 months earlier.
I called a host to ask why this was the case, and he said plain as day "Well, sometimes WINNING is the best gift and the rest just falls into place!"
So I told him "Then maybe I'll do my winning somewhere else then?" and hung up.
They did however give me fair Comp Dollars for meals,etc. But it is because the comping system is based on tier score earned in addition to buy-in/buy-out and avg. bet.
I did notice one time that I lost big, they were willing to give me extra comps to take 3 people to the buffet with me. But they made no bones about the other "Gifts" being removed because I was winning quite well that year.
Did it kill me? No, but it certainly shows poor judgement to think someone won't be offended by you taking away Offers, Gifts and commodities for such a petty reason.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:37:42 PM
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It warms my heart to see that written in the past tense.Quote: BedWetterBetterI was a regular at a Trump casino
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
December 15th, 2012 at 4:03:00 PM
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Quote: IvanYerkanoffThis thread starts off with a guy asking, "Gee, I am sort of wondering about what is going on with my comps" and ends up being another chance for Dan to further his crusade and rail against any potentially unsavory characters. From what I can tell of this thread's current tirade, Dan thinks chopping back your comps was a great idea apparently. He probably derives great joy at the thought of depriving a customer of some comps to help insure they "pay the fee"... So shut up and pay the fee, damnit!
Comps are theoretically based solely on the "action":
- bet amount,
- the time played, and
- the "factor" or return on the game (fast game/slow game, high edge/low edge);
Comps aren't supposed to factor in a player's final win/loss, but may get adjusted by staff on that basis, or another. I would assume it is in the best interest for the casino to maintain high comp levels for the winning player - if that player were to be enticed to return back and lose.
Quote: IvanYerkanoffI have heard that whole thing about comps being calculated based on theoretical loss with some standardized formula but it doesn't appear to work that way at all! Not even one little bit. Over the years, I have seen how a lot of different people's comp works out for them and the good and steady losers get the best comps, hands down! Show that you are the worst degenerate gambler going along with demonstrating that you are also about the unluckiest SOB on the planet but at least have a lot of money to blow and you will score some great comps. Outside of that I can't tell you much of the strange and mysterious ways that comps are determined other than the "based on theoretical loss" method is not actually used and someone told me a fib?
I've been in this business a while, and yes, for the most part Comps are accurately based on straight-up action levels of a player.
Quote: IvanYeranoffA lot of people try to gamble economically by taking advantage of promotional offers, coupons, etc. This will stretch your gambling dollars way out and allows you to play on a tight budget. If you jump on it when they offer various things, you know, such as "5X points multiplier day!" or using specific coupons or whatever, you can add to your comp balance over and above what it would have been if you are a frugal gambler that generates limited comps. Just watch doing too much of this because Dan might freak out on you and accuse you of being a "comp hustler" and wish harm to come to you since you didn't "pay the fee" is all.
A number of people do gamble economically with promos, coupons, etc., quite properly, and as they should; many also try to overly combine offers, or go overboard in the eyes of the operator, and get shut down. I've seen comp/promo hustlers with packets of restaurant coupons try to cover a party of 12 on a "one per party" basis and get denied, etc. I don't "freak out" or anything about it, I just watch management shoot them down, and shake my head.
Comps, coupons, and promos are marketing incentives, and policies concerning their use are defined by the operator, and not by what a player may feel, expect, or demand, if judged by management to be outside of the parameters of the offering.
Ivan might be very pleased to know that I have always accurately rated players based on their true action when I worked, regardless of how they acted (like Saints or Pr[cks, or somewhere in-between), though I've witnessed on some occasions floormen both raise and lower players' bet averages based on their table behavior and courtesy.
I would say this is a much larger factor than a session's win/loss, or the color-up amount on table departure, if it happens.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:24:43 PM
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I played on an internet poker site that reimbures 1 cent for every dollar they raked from you. With the amount of time I played, I was getting serveral hundred dollars back per month. One day they sent me an email saying that I was a winning player and the rebate was for people who lost.
I sent a reply for them to go f*** themselves. Withdrew my money and stopped playing there.
I sent a reply for them to go f*** themselves. Withdrew my money and stopped playing there.
Edward Snowden is not the criminal, the government is for violating the constitution!
December 15th, 2012 at 5:13:16 PM
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Quote: AceCrAAckersI played on an internet poker site that reimbures 1 cent for every dollar they raked from you. With the amount of time I played, I was getting serveral hundred dollars back per month. One day they sent me an email saying that I was a winning player and the rebate was for people who lost.
I sent a reply for them to go f*** themselves. Withdrew my money and stopped playing there.
1% rakeback and then that was too much? The standard is in the 30% range.
June 19th, 2018 at 10:19:40 AM
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Quote: SONBP2I was at Santa Fe last night (again) and we asked about getting a comp for the steak house. Now we rarely asks for comps, but we do play enough to earn them. So we asked for $200 and they told us they could only comp 20% of our losses for the last 60 days. However, for the last 60 days we were actually up about $500 and therefore we were not entitled to any comps based on our table game play. I replied, you see us here 3 to 5 times per week and you know that we rarely ask for comps. The pit boss and host said it didn't matter, they can only base our comps on our last 60 days of play. She then made some comment about how casinos don't let you win more win you are already winning.
I just turned my back and walked away. Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't believe this is how comps are calculated, it may be factor, but not the deciding factor for regular players like us.
Any opinions?
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June 19th, 2018 at 10:37:14 AM
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June 19th, 2018 at 11:46:42 AM
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June 19th, 2018 at 11:48:00 AM
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June 19th, 2018 at 11:49:06 AM
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June 19th, 2018 at 10:31:49 PM
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September 29th, 2018 at 8:17:23 AM
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The OP post has nothing to do with the title. He didn't win too much to be comp'ed, he just didn't have enough recent action for them to want to comp him. What was really going on though is that the host or pit boss didn't like that he had won and came up with some excuse not to comp him.
Comps are based on either a % of your loss (in Vegas it is typically 15% of your loss), or on your average bet over however many hours you played. The latter "average bet X time played" technically is used to calculate a theoretical loss, which is in turn used to calculate your comps earned but - why get technical? Your average bet times number of hours played is what matters.
Comps are based on either a % of your loss (in Vegas it is typically 15% of your loss), or on your average bet over however many hours you played. The latter "average bet X time played" technically is used to calculate a theoretical loss, which is in turn used to calculate your comps earned but - why get technical? Your average bet times number of hours played is what matters.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
October 21st, 2018 at 1:56:38 AM
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Anybody declaring less comps on their tax returns next year?
