Oakland A's are coming to Vegas
Quote: VegasriderVery surprised how small the stadium will seat, 30k.
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The trend is towards smaller parks. I think it will be built so they can add another deck or greatly expand seating areas. Drawing 20,000 for a midweek game in a stadium that seats 50K is not a great fan experience. Playing to near capacity builds the excitement level.
Quote: VegasriderVery surprised how small the stadium will seat, 30k.
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That is a good size for baseball. PNC park seats 38,000 and it is a nice size. You do not need as many seats for baseball. Remember how some parks covered up seats in upper decks since they never sold? But there is an additional consideration.
It is possible the As will be set up to be nothing more than jobbers, similar to the football Cardinals. A team made for transplants and tourists to watch their teams. If this is the case more seats are not needed.
Quote: VegasriderVery surprised how small the stadium will seat, 30k.
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The A's average 11,000 people per home game.
Quote: DRichQuote: VegasriderVery surprised how small the stadium will seat, 30k.
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The A's average 11,000 people per home game.
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The team is bad and in a bad market and in an old building. Vegas is arguably much worse for baseball (too many games and too hot; basketball and football make the most sense, but vegas got hockey first so basketball is probably out). However, the team can build some excitement with the move and trap fans in PSLs for a few years. Casinos and corporations will probably buy in to some extent. 30,000 is probably too little in the short term, but too much in the long term.
Quote: billryanQuote: VegasriderVery surprised how small the stadium will seat, 30k.
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The trend is towards smaller parks. I think it will be built so they can add another deck or greatly expand seating areas. Drawing 20,000 for a midweek game in a stadium that seats 50K is not a great fan experience. Playing to near capacity builds the excitement level.
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The money is in premium offerings. Getting 10,000 people to pay $25 for a seat one time is much less important than selling $20,000 season club seat packages or getting some business/rich guy to spend $75,000 on a luxury suite. Teams want some premium offerings, like $20 local craft beer and $30 organic hot dogs for the people paying little to get in, but "club" is the name of the game in sports now.
Quote: VegasriderToo much going on in Vegas as far as entertainment, Vegas was not a good choice for the A’s. I would have moved to a city that could show more loyalty without worrying about having to compete with other forms of entertainment. Salt Lake City, maybe Portland would have been a better market
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Portland is currently a disaster. Salt Lake City could work but problems with beer sales in the concessions thought that could be handled.
I have fond memories of paying $1.30 for a Mets ticket. It was $1.30 because a round trip subway fare was $0.70. Two bucks got you there, in the gate, and home!
Quote: SOOPOOBaseball team financial success depends on a large number of rich companies/individuals willing to pay silly numbers to see the home games. I just looked at non descript weeknight Yankees game against unattractive foe. You can get a ‘premium seat’ in the lower bowl for around $390 a ticket. Not every city has that many who will toss that $$$ around.
I have fond memories of paying $1.30 for a Mets ticket. It was $1.30 because a round trip subway fare was $0.70. Two bucks got you there, in the gate, and home!
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Sunday doubleheaders. $1.30 for general admission. Took the 27 bus to Main Street and walked the mile or so to the stadium.
Before you knew it, I was working there.
Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOBaseball team financial success depends on a large number of rich companies/individuals willing to pay silly numbers to see the home games. I just looked at non descript weeknight Yankees game against unattractive foe. You can get a ‘premium seat’ in the lower bowl for around $390 a ticket. Not every city has that many who will toss that $$$ around.
I have fond memories of paying $1.30 for a Mets ticket. It was $1.30 because a round trip subway fare was $0.70. Two bucks got you there, in the gate, and home!
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Sunday doubleheaders. $1.30 for general admission. Took the 27 bus to Main Street and walked the mile or so to the stadium.
Before you knew it, I was working there.
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I took the 26 bus and made the same walk…. There was a pitch and putt golf course right near Shea. For day games we’d bike there…. You could park your bike at the golf course and walk to the stadium.
Just Google mapped it. Around 4 miles for me.
I see they named the street Citi Field was built on ‘Seaver Way’!
Full Story at LV Review-Journal
Quote: DRichQuote: VegasriderVery surprised how small the stadium will seat, 30k.
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The A's average 11,000 people per home game.
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They should have built-in sell-outs with The Yankees, Mets, Astros, Cardinals and Arizona. The Dodgers and Padres travel well for weekends. It's a retractable dome so they might even play some day games. I think they will do very well for the first two years and then if they have a productive team, it will continue.
Quote: AZDuffmanOne of the sports betting podcasts I listen to suggested they might or should change their name for this new era.
Vegas Aces?
Vegas AKs?
Thoughts?
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Aces could work.
Former A's owner Charles O. Finley was constantly trying or thinking about moving the team regardless of where it was then-located. So how about the Vegas Finleys in honor of a team on the move.
Quote: dwc13Quote: AZDuffmanOne of the sports betting podcasts I listen to suggested they might or should change their name for this new era.
Vegas Aces?
Vegas AKs?
Thoughts?
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Aces could work.
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"Las Vegas Aces" works quite well...for the defending WNBA champions.
Quote: SOOPOOBaseball team financial success depends on a large number of rich companies/individuals willing to pay silly numbers to see the home games. I just looked at non descript weeknight Yankees game against unattractive foe. You can get a ‘premium seat’ in the lower bowl for around $390 a ticket. Not every city has that many who will toss that $$$ around.
I have fond memories of paying $1.30 for a Mets ticket. It was $1.30 because a round trip subway fare was $0.70. Two bucks got you there, in the gate, and home!
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Sports have national and local revenue sharing agreements so not so hot attendance is not a major problem as long as the team remains eligible for the pooled money.
This is the main factor that makes Vegas a possible relocation destination. The local market could be soft, but the team would also be getting money from NY and LA (assuming it maintains its eligibility for revenue sharing dollars). Baseball would not be competing with other major sports that much either, so maybe it does okay locally. Baseball season does coincide with Vegas tourism "season".
The Oakland Athletes can go anywhere though. They need to find someplace they give them the most to raise a building. Nevada paid a lot of Raiders. Maybe they will also pay for baseball.
https://twitter.com/nightengalejr/status/1652148451285803008
Quote: billryan"The House"
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That, sir, is hilarious.
Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: dwc13Quote: AZDuffmanOne of the sports betting podcasts I listen to suggested they might or should change their name for this new era.
Vegas Aces?
Vegas AKs?
Thoughts?
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Aces could work.
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"Las Vegas Aces" works quite well...for the defending WNBA champions.
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It would not be the third time the same city had two teams of the same name.
Football Pirates
Football Giants
Football Cardinals
All shared the name with the baseball team. I doubt 5% of the USA knows the WNBA Aces exist.
Quote: AZDuffmanI doubt 5% of the USA knows the WNBA Aces exist.
I doubt that 1% of sports fan know who the Las Vegas Aces are.
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanI doubt 5% of the USA knows the WNBA Aces exist.
I doubt that 1% of sports fan know who the Las Vegas Aces are.
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I saw some "man on the street" segment where they tried to find people who could name like 2 WNBA teams. Few could. The league is as niche market as Arena Football was.
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It would not be the third time the same city had two teams of the same name.
Football Pirates
Football Giants
Football Cardinals
All shared the name with the baseball team. I doubt 5% of the USA knows the WNBA Aces exist.
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Yeah, the WNBA still has a ways to go in terms of becoming a household name.
When NY had two teams named Giants, licensing was just about non-existent. Today it is a billion-dollar revenue stream.
Let's face it- The Rat Pack put Vegas on the map and would make the best fan names in sports. I know the Las Vegas Rats won't cut it, but would Desert Rats?
Quote: billryanTrademarks protect the minor, as well as the big companies.
When NY had two teams named Giants, licensing was just about non-existent. Today it is a billion-dollar revenue stream.
Let's face it- The Rat Pack put Vegas on the map and would make the best fan names in sports. I know the Las Vegas Rats won't cut it, but would Desert Rats?
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Why not the Vegas Rat Pack?
Las Vegas Line
The Vegas Odds
Las Vegas Hookers
Quote: Ace2Las Vegas Darksiders
Las Vegas Line
The Vegas Odds
Las Vegas Hookers
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You forgot Vegas Pornslappers.
Although not common in MLB, Oakland A’s general manager David Forst said having a club’s Triple-A and major league teams in the same market makes a lot of sense.
Quote: smoothgrhLV Review-Journal: Athletics GM bullish on playing in same city as Aviators
Although not common in MLB, Oakland A’s general manager David Forst said having a club’s Triple-A and major league teams in the same market makes a lot of sense.
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I am guessing the owner of the Aviators does not agree with that.
Quote: billryanTrademarks protect the minor, as well as the big companies.
When NY had two teams named Giants, licensing was just about non-existent. Today it is a billion-dollar revenue stream.
Let's face it- The Rat Pack put Vegas on the map and would make the best fan names in sports. I know the Las Vegas Rats won't cut it, but would Desert Rats?
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Albany had the River Rats so there is a history with "Rats."
Move Houston Astros to Kissimmee Florida
