Looks like Cosmopolitan has gone to paid parking also...
Just take a look at Adelson's Sands Q1 2017 report.
Net revenues in Vegas are made up of $123 million in Casino, $157 million in rooms, $86 million in Food and Beverage and $90 million in Convention, Retail and Other. It is a mix where each part is important to the entire picture in Vegas. But its Macao operations is its bread and butter and all profitability comes from gambling. Worldwide, casino revenue is 2.4 billion while room revenue is 406 million, F&B is 213 million, mall is $157 million, and Convention / retail / other is $134 million. Gambling revenue accounts for over 2/3rds of revenue. It's a fairly even mix in Vegas.
Adelson is nothing without gambling. In Vegas, net revenue was 434 million. But with hotel occupancy at 96%, it is doubtful that Sheldon believes gambling is icing on the cake. It is the entire cake.
How does gambling revenue account for 2/3 of the revenue?
Using your own numbers above just rooms were more than gambling. Who do you think paid for those rooms?
gamblers?...lol
Convention attendees did for the most part. He might let some of his best gamblers stay for free as long as there's not a major show on his books.
FYI- this conversation is about Las Vegas not Macau.
If the trends continue, pretty soon "gambling" will just be sprinkles on the cake.
Diamonds still get free parking. Heck, anyone with a TR credit card gets that. Diamonds don't pay resort fees, they still get free shows and gifts.
But almost no one gets Diamond status by playing quarter slots a few days a year.
As far as Wynn goes, I suspect they are clearing more on the nightclub end than he is from casinos. Unlike the casino side, the Nitelife is loosely regulated. and not nearly as employee intensive. Money is not as easy to follow should someone be so inclined.
Quote: MaxPenHere I found an article that backs up what I just posted. San Antonio? I still can't stop laughing.
http://loyaltytraveler.boardingarea.com/2013/10/09/top-ten-u-s-cities-by-hotel-rooms/
You're welcome to laugh all you want. But it won't change the fact that San Antonio has 3x as many hotels as Vegas and there are 9 other cities that are also above Vegas in that capacity giving people a larger variety than simply staying on the strip . Neither of you can debunk the fact that the main difference between those cities and Vegas is gambling (and clearly the biggest draw for them over the others).
https://smartasset.com/mortgage/the-best-cities-for-conferences-in-2016
Clearly we can post lists all days long (I found an article too....ooh boy!). But ultimately, our comments are subjective because we're not mind readers. Let me guess, you and the other guy work for the Las Vegas Tourism Board, LOL. One of the biggest conferences I go to has only chosen Vegas once in the last 10 years. They tend to use San Diego instead. I think Comic Con is housed there also. Isn't that a larger attendance than the CES?
By the way, CES is just a baby conference compared to CeBIT which is held in Germany.
The fact of the matter is, if gambling wasn't the draw it was and Vegas could make more off hotel rooms, food, etc., they would simply replace all those slot machines and tables with meeting space and more hotel rooms. But they don't, do they....DUH!
Can we stop going off on a tangent now and get back to the original topic? I quote "FYI- this conversation is about Las Vegas not Macau." No actually, the conversation is about the Cosmopolitan starting to charge for parking, not some tangent you want to go off on.
Quote: DRichThere are now so many places to gamble outside of Las Vegas that people don't need to come here to gamble. This coming weekend is a great example because the town will completely full and only a small number of them will be gambling. They are coming for a music festival called Electric Daisy Carnival. The average room price is $250 this weekend but you can stay in the Circus Circus motor lodge for $167 (think Motel 6). The Motel 6 on Tropicana is $160.
Uh huh, so same question to you. If gambling isn't a draw and they make more off of hotel rooms and food, why don't they remove the gambling?
Quote: bodyforlifeUh huh, so same question to you. If gambling isn't a draw and they make more off of hotel rooms and food, why don't they remove the gambling?
Why does Walmart sell weed killer, is it the top seller? The reason is because some people still want it and go to Walmart to buy it.
Quote: DRichWhy does Walmart sell weed killer, is it the top seller? The reason is because some people still want it and go to Walmart to buy it.
Exactly, and it brings them into the store and let's think here...do they only buy that when they go into the store or do they often buy other things too. This isn't rocket science. I could see a concert at another venue also that doesn't have gambling. But why do people choose Vegas when the concerts are usually much more expensive than somewhere else? I've seen many of the same shows in Vegas in my area for much less.
Why does Vegas (Nevada) fight in court every time someone wants to legalize Sports wagering in other states?
Hotel rooms are what matters. SA does indeed have three times as many hotels as Las Vegas but less than one tenth the number of rooms.
That survey is utter nonsense. As someone who has participated in many trade shows, I can tell you the distance from the airport to some mythical center of town is something I've never considered.
What is important is how easily folks can get to a conference. There are zero direct flights from NYC to San Antonio. There are dozens to Vegas. One of the reasons the Mets have their top farm club in Vegas is the ease of getting a player anywhere in the country asap.
Quote: billryanI'm not sure if the poster is being g disingenuous or just doesn't understand what he is posting. The number of hotels is irrelevant.
Hotel rooms are what matters. SA does indeed have three times as many hotels as Las Vegas but less than one tenth the number of rooms.
I think they just like to argue and disagree despite the facts. I feel like I'm in the last 100 days thread.
Quote: billryanI'm not sure if the poster is being g disingenuous or just doesn't understand what he is posting. The number of hotels is irrelevant.
Hotel rooms are what matters. SA does indeed have three times as many hotels as Las Vegas but less than one tenth the number of rooms.
Oh, I understand it just fine. I'm pointing out to you (as you and the other guy continue to go off topic here), that the appeal of the strip hotels is the gambling. And I also debunked the claim that other cities couldn't host events like CES, using San Diego as an example. They are also rated higher than Vegas on the list I posted and host Comic Con every year.
Can we get back on topic now or do you guys have to continue to try and derail this thread. You've made your case and others, including myself, disagree with your thoughts. So we can agree to disagree. Every one of you dodge and dance around the ultimate question (because you simply can't answer it). And until you can answer it, you've got nothing but your subjective opinion. Facts, lol.
Quote: bodyforlifeYou're welcome to laugh all you want. But it won't change the fact that San Antonio has 3x as many hotels as Vegas and there are 9 other cities that are also above Vegas in that capacity giving people a larger variety than simply staying on the strip . Neither of you can debunk the fact that the main difference between those cities and Vegas is gambling (and clearly the biggest draw for them over the others).
https://smartasset.com/mortgage/the-best-cities-for-conferences-in-2016
Clearly we can post lists all days long (I found an article too....ooh boy!). But ultimately, our comments are subjective because we're not mind readers. Let me guess, you and the other guy work for the Las Vegas Tourism Board, LOL. One of the biggest conferences I go to has only chosen Vegas once in the last 10 years. They tend to use San Diego instead. I think Comic Con is housed there also. Isn't that a larger attendance than the CES?
By the way, CES is just a baby conference compared to CeBIT which is held in Germany.
The fact of the matter is, if gambling wasn't the draw it was and Vegas could make more off hotel rooms, food, etc., they would simply replace all those slot machines and tables with meeting space and more hotel rooms. But they don't, do they....DUH!
Can we stop going off on a tangent now and get back to the original topic? I quote "FYI- this conversation is about Las Vegas not Macau." No actually, the conversation is about the Cosmopolitan starting to charge for parking, not some tangent you want to go off on.
On San Antonio, they have two conference centers, one at 560,000sf, the other at 180,000sf, with all other spaces at 50,000sf or less.
The Las Vegas Convention Center has 2 million SF, Mandalay Bay has 2 million SF, Sands has 1.2 million SF, MGM, Palazzo, and Venetian each have 500,000 sf. Aria, Caesars are at 300,000 sf, Bellagio, Cosmopolitan, Westgate, Wynn are at 200,000 sf. Bally, Mirage, South Point, Rio, Paris, Hilton, Hard Rock, JW Marriott, Planet Hollywood, Red Rock, Tropicana all have meeting spaces of >100,000 SF.
San Antonio does have more hotels, indeed, but with the total number of rooms at 39,000, vs Las Vegas' 149,000. The number of hotels does not equal capacity. San Antonio has 3 hotels at 1,000 rooms as their three biggest.
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The statement that the 10 billion in gambling revenue every year is not important or "icing on the cake" (strip pulling in 65% of that) is complete BS. Hotels have morphed their ways with knowing their demographics and sorting out their chaff (the infrequent gamblers) with the gamblers. For people who come to gamble, they will typically have the status card that gives them the free parking and the discounted or free room so that they can do their primary activity. But with resort like hotels and ADRs of $122/night ($215 at the Venetian properties), Las Vegas can offer everyone discounted prices because the casino revenue allows them to discount.
Quote: boymimboOn San Antonio, they have two conference centers, one at 560,000sf, the other at 180,000sf, with all other spaces at 50,000sf or less.
The Las Vegas Convention Center has 2 million SF, Mandalay Bay has 2 million SF, Sands has 1.2 million SF, MGM, Palazzo, and Venetian each have 500,000 sf. Aria, Caesars are at 300,000 sf, Bellagio, Cosmopolitan, Westgate, Wynn are at 200,000 sf. Bally, Mirage, South Point, Rio, Paris, Hilton, Hard Rock, JW Marriott, Planet Hollywood, Red Rock, Tropicana all have meeting spaces of >100,000 SF.
San Antonio does have more hotels, indeed, but with the total number of rooms at 39,000, vs Las Vegas' 149,000. The number of hotels does not equal capacity. San Antonio has 3 hotels at 1,000 rooms as their three biggest.
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The statement that the 10 billion in gambling revenue every year is not important or "icing on the cake" (strip pulling in 65% of that) is complete BS. Hotels have morphed their ways with knowing their demographics and sorting out their chaff (the infrequent gamblers) with the gamblers. For people who come to gamble, they will typically have the status card that gives them the free parking and the discounted or free room so that they can do their primary activity. But with resort like hotels and ADRs of $122/night ($215 at the Venetian properties), Las Vegas can offer everyone discounted prices because the casino revenue allows them to discount.
Point taken on San Antonio
And on San Diego (which I also mentioned) and the other cities ranked higher?
It is interesting to think when Nascar comes to town, people don't stay near the track but choose to stay on the strip. Hmmm?
As for the 2nd part of your comment, you won't get an answer on it as these clowns have been crickets on that side and why the gambling hasn't simply been eliminated. It's just an absurd comment to imply that gambling is "icing on the cake" and it doesn't bring in the people who go to the fancy restaurant, pay for the hotel rooms, and go to the higher priced shows. If 75% are gambling, it's disingenuous to say they're only there for something else. Clearly the appeal of gambling is a draw and that indisputable.
The conference I go to yearly is also offered in Seattle, Chicago, and usually San Diego (but this year they switched up and did Vegas...last time was 10 years ago). So why would I go to Vegas. Food? Yeah, don't think so. It's not like Seattle, Chicago, and San Diego don't have excellent restaurants. Those cities actually have a real downtown, plenty more culture than Vegas, Beach (San Diego), etc. And can't say I'm all that impressed by some comedy shows or Cirque De Soleil. But gambling, yeah, that's different
Quote: boymimboBack to the issue which is that casinos are charging for parking. 50% of Vegas traffic comes from cars. For me given that they charge a resort fee, parking should be included in the resort fees for guests. Stupid that it's not.
I agree
I'm amazed gamblers get upset about this. Some people have too much free time.
I don't think it's really the parking... To me it's the additive fees that just continue to pile up year after year. First, resort fee's (hidden). Then resort fee's go up X% per year. Then parking... and you have to remember the vast majority of people that do any gambling in vegas end up losers, so now they're asking themselves "why the hell am i going to pay a huge hotel rate, plus bogus raising fee's, and pay to park at the places all around when I'm just gonna end up also losing money???" This is another reason why people are gambling less... Gotta save money for fee's.Quote: billryanAnyone who comes to Vegas on even a semi regular basis to gamble doesn't pay to park. Anyone willing to get a credit card doesn't pay to park.
I'm amazed gamblers get upset about this. Some people have too much free time.
It's similar to most BS moves business do that should be illegal. Have you ever bought tickets for just about anything? Ticket cost: $20... Ticketing Fee: $3.25... Processing Fee: $3.50... So what I see they ADVERTISED AS THE PRICE: $20... What I end up paying with the old bait-n-switch: $26.75.. a nice little 34% markup. This is from a REAL experience recently. Sh*t like that should be false advertising and illegal, especially since it's all done online so what the hell is the Ticketing Fee and Processing Fee even for? Answer: Literally nothing other than ripping off the customer on the back end. Similar to the parking/etc above, people feel ripped off.
When my friends come to Vegas they have no problem spending a couple hundred on rooms, couple more hundred on food, clubs, alcohol, etc. But as soon as they go to gambling, they buy in for $100 max (usually $20 to $40), then quit once they're down or up like $10-20.
This town was built on gambling but it's not the main attraction anymore, at least for most people. It can't be the main attraction, as you can find "Las Vegas like" casinos all over the country. Most people don't come to LV to gamble since they can gamble somewhere near them.
As far as I know, LV has the biggest convention centers, highest capacity for lodging, airport with flights from all over the country, and the world's best entertainment (shows, bars, restaurants, gambling, hookers).
Quote: RomesI don't think it's really the parking... To me it's the additive fees that just continue to pile up year after year. First, resort fee's (hidden). Then resort fee's go up X% per year. Then parking... and you have to remember the vast majority of people that do any gambling in vegas end up losers, so now they're asking themselves "why the hell am i going to pay a huge hotel rate, plus bogus raising fee's, and pay to park at the places all around when I'm just gonna end up also losing money???" This is another reason why people are gambling less... Gotta save money for fee's.
It's similar to most BS moves business do that should be illegal. Have you ever bought tickets for just about anything? Ticket cost: $20... Ticketing Fee: $3.25... Processing Fee: $3.50... So what I see they ADVERTISED AS THE PRICE: $20... What I end up paying with the old bait-n-switch: $26.75.. a nice little 34% markup. This is from a REAL experience recently. Sh*t like that should be false advertising and illegal, especially since it's all done online so what the hell is the Ticketing Fee and Processing Fee even for? Answer: Literally nothing other than ripping off the customer on the back end. Similar to the parking/etc above, people feel ripped off.
You are a frequent Vegas visitor. What did you pay in resort fees or parking fees in 2016? What have you paid this year?
I have seen no evidence that people who come here to gamble are gambling less. Don't confuse people who come here to party or to attend trade shows with gamblers.
This weekend is a perfect example.. A Hundred thousand partygoers coming in for Daisy. Most will pay full freight as few of them will gamble. Even with resort fees and paid parking, their lodging is cheaper than if they were attending in San Diego or almost any city, plus their airfare was probably cheaper.
As to why people stay on the strip for NASCAR or the rodeo, it's pretty obvious. As Willie Sutton would say, because that's where the rooms are.
Quote: RSWhy the hell would they get rid of gambling? I don't know what brings in the most money, but even if it isn't gambling, they'd be stupid to get rid of it. Asking why they don't get rid of gambling because it's not their top earner is ridiculous.
When my friends come to Vegas they have no problem spending a couple hundred on rooms, couple more hundred on food, clubs, alcohol, etc. But as soon as they go to gambling, they buy in for $100 max (usually $20 to $40), then quit once they're down or up like $10-20.
This town was built on gambling but it's not the main attraction anymore, at least for most people. It can't be the main attraction, as you can find "Las Vegas like" casinos all over the country. Most people don't come to LV to gamble since they can gamble somewhere near them.
As far as I know, LV has the biggest convention centers, highest capacity for lodging, airport with flights from all over the country, and the world's best entertainment (shows, bars, restaurants, gambling, hookers).
Perhaps you should read the thread in its entirely (with the claims of gambling being a non-factor), rather than disingenuously editing out only a portion to talk about and ignoring other comments.
That's impolite. So was the comment about people having too much time, you are quite active a poster to criticize. It's rude.Quote: billryanYou can't argue with him. Why bother. He's immune to facts and doesn't care for others opinions. He is, of course, 100% correct and we are completely wrong. Accept it and move on.
Quote: billryanAs opposed to labeling anyone who disagrees with him a democrat, and repeatedly dismissing valid points with a grade school term like duh. Ask Max if he was offended by being called a democrat.
I'm sure he's been called worse. Wait, no he hasn't.
Quote: RogerKintI'm sure he's been called worse. Wait, no he hasn't.
Egg Zactly.
Quote: MaxPenNo one is saying that gambling is not a factor. It is just not the primary factor it once was. Hell, it's not even the secondary factor anymore. Referring to Las Vegas, just want to make that clear before you start posting irrelevant stats for somewhere else.
Yawn. Still dancing...
"Gambling today is nothing more than icing on the cake. "
And then we have your claim that no other city could handle CES and yet San Diego does a conference with basically the same attendance with Comic Con.....more rubbish on your part.
Then you quote your 10% number as though it's some indisputable fact and yet you have no idea what the methodology is for coming up for any of the numbers put forth that you quote. The fact is what you're listing in reasoning is purely subjective. You really don't have any way of isolating out that information without smoothing out the data. Of course, I'm guessing you probably believed all the Presidential polls too, didn't you?
Seriously, you and this other clown simply bore me in how you dodge and deflect comments.
Quote: billryanAs opposed to labeling anyone who disagrees with him a democrat, and repeatedly dismissing valid points with a grade school term like duh. Ask Max if he was offended by being called a democrat.
No different than you dismissing people commenting on parking fees, or ignoring anything posed to you. I figured since you clearly don't care about additional fees that you must also like paying additional money for a variety of things that offer you no added value. That tends to be how most Democrats I know think. Sorry if it hits too close to home.
I think a lot of men like prostitutes in Vegas when going to conventions, Vegas definitely has more than Tucson. I dont even think it's a minor detail, it's a major selling point from what I hear, as have never been to Vegas.Quote: bodyforlifeYawn. Still dancing...
"Gambling today is nothing more than icing on the cake. "
And then we have your claim that no other city could handle CES and yet San Diego does a conference with basically the same attendance with Comic Con.....more rubbish on your part.
Then you quote your 10% number as though it's some indisputable fact and yet you have no idea what the methodology is for coming up for any of the numbers put forth that you quote. The fact is what you're listing in reasoning is purely subjective. You really don't have any way of isolating out that information without smoothing out the data. Of course, I'm guessing you probably believed all the Presidential polls too, didn't you?
Seriously, you and this other clown simply bore me in how you dodge and deflect comments.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI think a lot of men like prostitutes in Vegas when going to conventions, Vegas definitely has more than Tucson. I dont even think it's a minor detail, it's a major selling point from what I hear, as have never been to Vegas.
I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why people come to Vegas. And many factors go into a company's decision to go there (clearly gambling being one of the big ones). You'd have to be naive not to realize that.
Quote: bodyforlifeNo different than you dismissing people commenting on parking fees, or ignoring anything posed to you. I figured since you clearly don't care about additional fees that you must also like paying additional money for a variety of things that offer you no added value. That tends to be how most Democrats I know think. Sorry if it hits too close to home.
I don't care about the additional fees because I don't pay them. Neither does any serious gambler. Its a stupidity tax tacked on stupid people.
Casinos take money from sheep. Don't be a sheep. Its really that simple. For some folks here, casinos are a piggy bank. Fatter the piggy gets, the easier it is to squeeze some out of them.
Spent four to six weeks here every year but one since 2001, before I moved here in 2016, and have never paid a resort fee. Never paid for parking.
Quote: billryanI don't care about the additional fees because I don't pay them. Neither does any serious gambler. Its a stupidity tax tacked on stupid people.
Casinos take money from sheep. Don't be a sheep. Its really that simple. For some folks here, casinos are a piggy bank. Fatter the piggy gets, the easier it is to squeeze some out of them.
Spent four to six weeks here every year but one since 2001, before I moved here in 2016, and have never paid a resort fee. Never paid for parking.
Oh I see, a stupidity fee. Sounds like labeling to me. Got it.
I wonder if the non-gamblers that pay that fee think people that gamble are stupid for playing a game of chance with the odds in the casino's favor and very little chance of winning over the long haul?
Quote: billryanI don't care about the additional fees because I don't pay them. Neither does any serious gambler. Its a stupidity tax tacked on stupid people.
Casinos take money from sheep. Don't be a sheep. Its really that simple. For some folks here, casinos are a piggy bank. Fatter the piggy gets, the easier it is to squeeze some out of them.
Spent four to six weeks here every year but one since 2001, before I moved here in 2016, and have never paid a resort fee. Never paid for parking.
Another classic example of someone in the know trying to educate the ploppies. I seen ZK talking about doing this at the tables. I myself have fallen victim trying to educate people that don't want or care about such matters. Don't try to tell them that parking is free or food is always free or anything. Just keep letting them play the 6/5 jacks beside your 9/6 jacks and try to ignore them as best as you can.
It's true it's impossible to help anybody. You just delay the inevitable.Quote: monet0412Another classic example of someone in the know trying to educate the ploppies. I seen ZK talking about doing this at the tables. I myself have fallen victim to trying to educate people that don't want or care about such matters. Don't try to tell them that parking is free or food is always free or anything. Just keep letting them play the 6/5 jacks beside your 9/6 jacks and try to ignore them as best as you can.
Quote: bodyforlifeOh I see, a stupidity fee. Sounds like labeling to me. Got it.
I wonder if the non-gamblers that pay that fee think people that gamble are stupid for playing a game of chance with the odds in the casino's favor and very little chance of winning over the long haul?
I have no idea what they may or not think, but if they think people who play a game with the odds in the casinos favor and that have little chance of winning are stupid sheep, then I agree with them. I'd have thought you wouldn't find many of those people on a board like this, but I am learning that I was mistaken.
Quote: monet0412Another classic example of someone in the know trying to educate the ploppies. I seen ZK talking about doing this at the tables. I myself have fallen victim to trying to educate people that don't want or care about such matters. Don't try to tell them that parking is free or food is always free or anything. Just keep letting them play the 6/5 jacks beside your 9/6 jacks and try to ignore them as best as you can.
The Instructor in me makes me try to educate the uninformed.
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Quote: bodyforlifeYawn. Still dancing...
"Gambling today is nothing more than icing on the cake. "
And then we have your claim that no other city could handle CES and yet San Diego does a conference with basically the same attendance with Comic Con.....more rubbish on your part.
Then you quote your 10% number as though it's some indisputable fact and yet you have no idea what the methodology is for coming up for any of the numbers put forth that you quote. The fact is what you're listing in reasoning is purely subjective. You really don't have any way of isolating out that information without smoothing out the data. Of course, I'm guessing you probably believed all the Presidential polls too, didn't you?
Seriously, you and this other clown simply bore me in how you dodge and deflect comments.
You're drivel is boring me. No way can San Diego handle CES. There center is only 600,000 sft. Of exhibit space. CES requires 2 million+ sft. to handle the 4000+ exhibitors. I do believe the total number of attendees is close for those 2 events though. CES has 180k attendees and Comic Con gets close to 160k. Way different class though of the infrastructure surrounding thos 2 events.
This will be my last post regarding these matters though. You have proven yourself beyond ignorant in your knowledge of the industry. I happen to be a rather high level individual in the event industry and can't stand your nonsense. You have proven yourself not worthy of any further consideration.
Would the prostitutes be too sore from too much demand, is that the reason? 😆Quote: MaxPenThe whole reason prostitution is illegal in Clark County is because of the Convention industry.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWould the prostitutes be too sore from too much demand, is that the reason?
No, but wives would be less apt to let their husbands visit alone a city that has legalized prostitution. The LVCVA wields a lot of power in this county as they are a main economic driver.
Quote: MaxPenYou're drivel is boring me. No way can San Diego handle CES. There center is only 600,000 sft. Of exhibit space. CES requires 2 million+ sft. to handle the 4000+ exhibitors. I do believe the total number of attendees is close for those 2 events though. CES has 180k attendees and Comic Con gets close to 160k. Way different class though of the infrastructure surrounding thos 2 events.
This will be my last post regarding these matters though. You have proven yourself beyond ignorant in your knowledge of the industry. I happen to be a rather high level individual in the event industry and can't stand your nonsense. You have proven yourself not worthy of any further consideration.
ROTFLMAO! Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Dude, just stay down on the mat. I'm tired of knocking you back down. Your hogwash is just boring.
Quote: bodyforlifeROTFLMAO! Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Dude, just stay down on the mat. I'm tired of knocking you back down. Your hogwash is just boring.
Now this is funny. If you think you're "winning", you're sadly mistaken.
Quote: RSNow this is funny. If you think you're "winning", you're sadly mistaken.
Says the man that selectively edits to make a disingenuous argument. Even funnier. Please don't confuse yourself into thinking I care what you think.
Quote: bodyforlifeSays the man that selectively edits to make a disingenuous argument. Even funnier. Please don't confuse yourself into thinking I care what you think.
What?
Quote: RSQuote: bodyforlifeSays the man that selectively edits to make a disingenuous argument. Even funnier. Please don't confuse yourself into thinking I care what you think.
What?
Comprehension problem?
Quote: bodyforlifeQuote: RSQuote: bodyforlifeSays the man that selectively edits to make a disingenuous argument. Even funnier. Please don't confuse yourself into thinking I care what you think.
What?
Comprehension problem?
Yes, it looks like you're having one. Let me reword it so you don't confuse yourself again: "Can you show me an example where I've selectively edited a post to make a disingenuous argument?" I thought the added boldness was enough.
Quote: RSQuote: bodyforlifeQuote: RSQuote: bodyforlifeSays the man that selectively edits to make a disingenuous argument. Even funnier. Please don't confuse yourself into thinking I care what you think.
What?
Comprehension problem?
Yes, it looks like you're having one. Let me reword it so you don't confuse yourself again: "Can you show me an example where I've selectively edited a post to make a disingenuous argument?" I thought the added boldness was enough.
Maybe you should just stop posting if your intellect level isn't high enough to understand a very basic comment to you made on page 8. I realized this is the internet, but seriously dude, I shouldn't have to spoon feed you.
