How aggressive will the casinos be when they reopen?
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Conversely, do you think that they'll do nothing and figure that their customers are all degenates who'll all flock back on day one.
Locals will flock back to their home casinos across the country and resume degening like nothing happened. Vegas strip and downtown are screwed.
Quote: AZDuffmanI think most will do "soft" reopens. Just open the doors, no specials. Not until the machinery is working good and fine.
Very similar to what I've said before. If you just go by the basis 1/3 to 1/2 floor out of commission, they can't be generous at all. I imagine most locals will get ZERO FP just about and the casino will tell them they'll get it the first whole month the casino is open. So if they opened 5/15, no FP until June, maybe even July if the casino expects to be open by then. I'm kind of disappointed, even feeling a bit like I'm giving a casino an idea saying this. Up to them, people get really demotivated quite easily and habits have changed. I've heard the degenerates I keep in touch telling me how they have money now, because they're not spending it at the casino.
Not enough demand. Casinos won't want to lose control, they have control of the people through offers, don't need to pay for any flight for someone they already do not deem worth it or necessary to take their money. Reasoning is fundamental.Quote: billryanI imagine airlines will be offering dirt cheap fares so a wise marketeer will piggyback onto that to bring people back. In the 90s, junkets were huge and the time might be ripe for them to make a comeback.
I think their marketing will be concentrated on how safe their casino is and all the special things they're doing to protect their customers. Will they be giving out free face masks at the door for those who don't have them?
After some initial marketing, I assume the casinos will have a wait-and-see attitude. Some will Market aggressively at first, but For the most part, I don't think much is going to change, especially for places like Station Casinos and the other local chains here in Las Vegas. I just don't think it's going to be some big gold mine for Advantage Players. I sure hope I'm wrong.
I don't want to increase offers to high handle players unless they have big losses. Don't want to help the AP's with high handle and low TWIN.
Soft re-openings, no aggressively reaching out to customers, but be real nice to the ones who do show up (freeplay). Main emphasis will be on Do No Wrong, so there will be signs, masks, sanitizers galore, but not much in the way of outreach. Look for some temperature sensing devices but not full page ads touting them.Quote: AxelWolfI assume the casinos will have a wait-and-see attitude. Some will Market aggressively at first, but For the most part, I don't think much is going to change, especially for places like Station Casinos and the other local chains here in Las Vegas.
They will certainly have loads of gifts from the past and could probably give them away during the week instead of only on Saturday. I'm guessing they'll sprinkle in free slot play for the higher tier players also.
I would think AC might implore this method due to the lack of sports betting allowed and an abundance of gifts from a month of no patrons.
Perhaps, but it is more likely they will avoid physical handling of items and avoid creating obvious choke points such as Free Gift Courtesy Desks.Quote: BedWetterBetterI'm thinking that my local casinos will be trying their hardest to get customers back. Some of the PA casinos will be using the Gift giveaways as incentive for long time and even newer patrons to come in after re-opening.
I'll gladly send you a few recommendations that you should recommend.Quote: DRichI am going to recommend to the GM's of our casinos that they should increase the offers to the players that have large losses last year.
I don't want to increase offers to high handle players unless they have big losses. Don't want to help the AP's with high handle and low TWIN.
Just imagine the marketing they could do with their casino filled with legitimate pending jackpots and a news reporter there to cover it.
The casinos should definitely be going after those stimulus checks.
"Let's go to Vegas - get a couple of tickets to Love."
"It says it's sold out for the next two months because of the limited number of seats."
"How about the restaurants?"
"The ones that could afford to reopen with the limited seating options are the really expensive ones, and those are also booked solid for the foreseeable future."
"You know, maybe now's not the time to go..."
Which brings up the question: one of the poll options mentioned comps, but what comps would be available?
If Strip casinos really wanted to bring in players while they wait for the rest of the hotel to reopen, they would do things like offering double-deck S17 3-2 $10. Yes, they'll get a lot of counters, but chances are they'll also get a lot of people who think they know how to count - and anybody who is too aggressive will find out that some parts of Vegas are still "business as usual."
Then again, there's one wild card in all of this - Da Raiduhz...er, The Raiders. "Come for the game, stay for the gaming!" Yes, I fully expect (a) there to be at least a partial season in 2020, and (b) the stadium to be ready for home games. (Raiders tickets - now there's a possible comp.)
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If Strip casinos really wanted to bring in players while they wait for the rest of the hotel to reopen, they would do things like offering double-deck S17 3-2 $10. Yes, they'll get a lot of counters, but chances are they'll also get a lot of people who think they know how to count - and anybody who is too aggressive will find out that some parts of Vegas are still "business as usual."
Yeah, no. 95% of players do not care about favorable rules. More care about how fancy the place looks. Trust me, better rules will not be part of the reopen.
but headliners like Cher, Elton, Carrot Top and others will either have to take major pay cuts or fold.
Quote: AZDuffmanYeah, no. 95% of players do not care about favorable rules. More care about how fancy the place looks. Trust me, better rules will not be part of the reopen.
What percentage of those who don't care about favorable rules are there primarily to gamble? Like I said, if the casinos open before the clubs, restaurants, and shows, then who's going to show up in the first place?
Quote: billryanVery few of the big shows can survive with half capacity. Some shows will be able to cut back on a few performers
but headliners like Cher, Elton, Carrot Top and others will either have to take major pay cuts or fold.
That will be interesting because this is a global problem. For a year or so, Cher and Elton may have nowhere to go to get their old rates. They must either do shows at lower rates or take time-off from touring or just retire.. They will be part of a much larger problem for all kinds of entertainment - sports, theme parks, movie theaters, live shows (theatrical productions, music productions, comedy and variety), casinos, etc. How can you create a lot of revenue if you can't have large crowds?
Quote: gordonm888That will be interesting because this is a global problem. For a year or so, Cher and Elton may have nowhere to go to get their old rates. They must either do shows at lower rates or take time-off from touring or just retire.. They will be part of a much larger problem for all kinds of entertainment - sports, theme parks, movie theaters, live shows (theatrical productions, music productions, comedy and variety), casinos, etc. How can you create a lot of revenue if you can't have large crowds?
Most shows and entertainers carry business interruption insurance. A lot of these policies evidently don't cover these circumstances so the road ahead is unclear.
Quote: billryanMost shows and entertainers carry business interruption insurance. A lot of these policies evidently don't cover these circumstances so the road ahead is unclear.
I was surprised to read that Wimbledon had paid for pandemic insurance for the last 20 years or so. I believe they collected over $100 million this year on that policy for not having the tennis tournament..
Quote: DRichI was surprised to read that Wimbledon had paid for pandemic insurance for the last 20 years or so. I believe they collected over $100 million this year on that policy for not having the tennis tournament..
Wow. 141m payout for 2m/year for the last 17 years. Looks like they certainly won that bet. Though they still made a lot less than they were estimating.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/04/09/report-wimbledons-organizers-set-for-a-141-million-payout-after-taking-out-pandemic-insurance/#e367ff829f6f
Quote: gordonm888That will be interesting because this is a global problem. For a year or so, Cher and Elton may have nowhere to go to get their old rates. They must either do shows at lower rates or take time-off from touring or just retire.. They will be part of a much larger problem for all kinds of entertainment - sports, theme parks, movie theaters, live shows (theatrical productions, music productions, comedy and variety), casinos, etc. How can you create a lot of revenue if you can't have large crowds?
Pay-per-view?
I wouldn't be surprised if big stars like them start doing WWII-style Relief/Tribute shows, with discounts for health workers. It would be good PR for when things get back to something approaching normal.
1. Free Parking
2. Freeplay / Credits
3. Non-guests not allowed on the premesis (!)
4. Medical staff on call
5. "Self-service food ordering" (whatever that means - "I'll have a Lobster Truffle Risotto to go, please")
6. Plexiglass dividers (e.g. at reception and at the bars)
7. Masks and gloves available for guests
8. Temperature checking of anyone entering the casino
9. "Enhanced sanitization of rooms" between guests
10. No Smoking, Period
11. A "private jeep" for the guests and their families to visit, e.g., Hoover Dam (at additional cost)
12. A fixed price for the entire stay (i.e. meals included)
13. Private "Players' Parties"
14. A private charter airline
Cheap/free food and drinks are always good with me though... it was like 4$USD for a big bowl of beef noodle soup and the free self service beverage machine was really impressive at the Marina Bay Sands
And the drink robot is kind of funny:
https://www.facebook.com/dat.giang/posts/3267408303279073
Quote: VenthusFree parking is something they're asking their top tier members about? Don't tell me that they're so desperate to squeeze people that their aiming for an extra 25$/day off their biggest players...
Cheap/free food and drinks are always good with me though... it was like 4$USD for a big bowl of beef noodle soup and the free self service beverage machine was really impressive at the Marina Bay Sands
And the drink robot is kind of funny:
The guy in the pink shirt next to the robot looks like me! I'm serious!
I take it you have a closet full of pink shirts. 😉Quote: SOOPOOQuote: VenthusFree parking is something they're asking their top tier members about? Don't tell me that they're so desperate to squeeze people that their aiming for an extra 25$/day off their biggest players...
Cheap/free food and drinks are always good with me though... it was like 4$USD for a big bowl of beef noodle soup and the free self service beverage machine was really impressive at the Marina Bay Sands
And the drink robot is kind of funny:
The guy in the pink shirt next to the robot looks like me! I'm serious!
