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August 12th, 2011 at 3:50:50 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

What do you think are the chances of a SD BJ game with internal jackpots, not as sidebets ???



I'd need to see details, but blackjack variants are a good direction to throw your net in the business. I think the market is saturated with side bets, so I would prefer to see a fresh game idea.
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August 12th, 2011 at 4:01:16 PM permalink
Can I pm you the overview. Can't pay for a detailed analysis. Just whether I possibly have something ? I am the guy in Colorado who told you about the side bet lowering the HE on Let it ride at the Isle in Blackhawk about 10 years ago. I am from Baltimore if that helps!
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August 12th, 2011 at 7:12:41 PM permalink
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Mike - do you think Roulette is over-represented at G2E?
The G2E floor is a sea of wheels in some areas.....



Quote: Wizard

Yes. It would be over-represented with one wheel. This is not what DJTB needs to hear, but roulette is a dying game. I have seen lots of roulette variants over the years. The number to get beyond a field trial, as far as I know -- zero.



This is surprising. Both Roulette and Baccarat (which are both no brainers to play) - get relatively little action in the U.S.
Both are "No Strategy Pure luck" gambling. (The same could be said about craps, but because the dice "take either a forward or negative path" on many rolls, this is arguable.)

Apparently, Americans at least look for a little strategy in their action. Apparently so.
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August 12th, 2011 at 7:20:13 PM permalink
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What do you think are the chances of a SD BJ game with internal jackpots, not as sidebets ???


With less than 1% edge, there isn't much room for a progressive. You'll need to increase the house edge on the main game to afford any bonus pays, and that usually means rules like blackjack paying even money. Check out how Spanish and Super Fun did it.
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August 12th, 2011 at 7:24:22 PM permalink
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Quote: Paigowdan

Mike - do you think Roulette is over-represented at G2E? The G2E floor is a sea of wheels in some areas.....


Yes. It would be over-represented with one wheel. This is not what DJTB needs to hear, but roulette is a dying game. I have seen lots of roulette variants over the years. The number to get beyond a field trial, as far as I know -- zero.


That's not the kind of opinion I was looking forward to.

But bear in mind, Poker For Roulette is not a roulette variant, but a side bet. And, with simple math tweaks, can be applied to any Roulette table or new variant.

And unlike some other side bets for other games, Poker For Roulette does not change the basic game. FYI: There are probably more examples, but what jumps to mind is the BJ side bet where if you have 77, you'd violate basic strategy and not split, hoping to get another 7.
Last edited by: DJTeddyBear on Mar 21, 2021
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August 12th, 2011 at 7:36:38 PM permalink
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That's not the kind of opinion I was looking forward to.


Relax, Dave.
Because Poker-For-Roulette now gives a "multi-path" result to Roulette, - it now turns Roulette into a multi-spin/multi-path game.
If people could see that.

Edit: especially distributors!
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August 12th, 2011 at 7:58:29 PM permalink
Shoot,
If Aphabetic Roulette can get an install, then P-F-R is what is needed to make Roulette a more viable and exciting game.
ALSO keep in mind that the gaming industry is VERY SLOW to respond changes - unless it is crammed down their necks.
Even then they mess up.
The patent on Alphabetic Roulette preceeds its install by about four or five years.
And this is for ONE install at Fitzgeralds.
It took me TWO YEARS to get 45 EZ Pai Gow installs, but it is only because DEQ moved VERY QUICKLY on it, AND because DEQ ALSO had EZ Baccarat, another successful commission-free game as a sister product.
DEQ installed its first install/field trial at the Barona Casino about ONE WEEK after I filed the non-provisional patent, and about eight weeks after Charles Mousseau finished its final gaming math.
You guys have NO IDEA how slowly the gaming industry moves, especially if it is not their money on the line.

EDIT: I would say that if Alphabetic Roulette is NOT using a Bona-Fide Gaming Industry Distributor such as DEQ, Shufflemaster, Galaxy Gaming, or Gaming Network, or TCSJohnnyBoy, their prospects are very slim.
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August 12th, 2011 at 8:14:35 PM permalink
Oh, I'm relaxed.

And I know it's gonna take time to get the ball rolling.

I just would have preferred a different kind of comment from The Wiz....
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August 12th, 2011 at 8:37:47 PM permalink
Dave,
Mike Shackleford never purchases any games, nor makes such decisions, except occasionally. Fantastic opinions he offers, though.
He just reviews what is "out there and thrown up" onto the board here in Gambling land, or thrown down onto a casino layout that is in play.
He doesn't promote for distributors before hand, nor does Mike ever sway the gaming board. A no-no.
I agree that Roulette is a nasty market.
I agree that you have an awesome product for it - it really is - but it doesn't mean that it will sell. It should, true, but the Gaming industry is filled with morons who make both slow decisions and fucking idiotic decisions. [EDIT: same as all industries that I might be a part of!]
I figure that if Alphabetic Roulette got an install at a downtown Las Vegas Casino ( - about as Amazing an install as "Rupert's Island -----------------------Draw"), then any "easy-to-install" game has got a shot.
However, there are THREE big differences:
1. Your game is GREAT - but is VERY DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE to implement, unlike some silly-ass card game, - even though it might save American Roulette, AND:
2. You will need a MAJOR DISTRIBUTOR to go ahead on it, with its expenses, which most are not willing to do at this point; and
3. Casinos are taking the cheap and easy way out on pit games at this point. Think: "For new games, card games and dice games that are EASY to implement."

Edit: Guano happens....
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August 12th, 2011 at 9:32:03 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



This is not what DJTB needs to hear, but roulette is a dying game. .



Its not dying in the casinos where I go, you usually can't get near the tables.
Its not dying in Europe or the rest of the world. I know of 6 casinos that have
Roulette Evolution and its a cash cow for all of them, you have to wait for a
seat most of the time and fight with somebody to get it.
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