my new game unveiled at the g2e
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:13:52 PM
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Well my new game called win, Place & Show was a huge success 24 years been working on it and it received nothing but rave reviews thank you to all the DEQ team for making this a possibility check out my video on Facebook
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 3rd, 2014 at 8:45:32 PM
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Your game looks a lot like this one Racing Card Derby but I could be missing something. How is it different?
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:13:49 PM
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We're you able to see my video on fb johnrpaz@Yahoo.com
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 3rd, 2014 at 9:18:27 PM
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Quote: ParadigmYour game looks a lot like this one Racing Card Derby but I could be missing something. How is it different?
It is an improved version of Racing Card Derby, which was worked on for production needs by Steve Jones, formerly of DEQ, and it now seems to be a very fine and viable commercial product.
Best of Luck to the OP and to DEQ on this.
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October 3rd, 2014 at 9:27:10 PM
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Thank you
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 4th, 2014 at 9:22:23 AM
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Isn't the title owned by Hasbro? ("Win, Place & Show" was a boardgame first produced by 3M, then sold to The Avalon Hill Game Company, which was in turn acquired by Hasbro about 15 years ago.)
October 4th, 2014 at 9:30:12 AM
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Congratulations, JohnnyH! Hope you see lots of placements.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 4th, 2014 at 11:17:00 AM
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Actually the name Win, Place & Show can not be owned but you can still use it as long as there is not the name WPS being used in the same genre, we don't have the claim to the name but the logo that goes with the name is covered, you just can't have a claim if somebody else uses the name WPS
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 4th, 2014 at 11:19:25 AM
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Beacbumbabs thank you for the positive words
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 4th, 2014 at 11:56:05 AM
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Quote: JohnnyHawaiianWe're you able to see my video on fb johnrpaz@Yahoo.com
Nope, put it on YouTube and provide the link.
October 5th, 2014 at 7:28:01 AM
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Okay so if you would like to see the video go to you tube and go to
Win, Place & Show by Paz Gaming Inc
Or you may Google pazgaminginc 1 word and that will lead you to our info and video
Win, Place & Show by Paz Gaming Inc
Or you may Google pazgaminginc 1 word and that will lead you to our info and video
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 5th, 2014 at 9:26:08 AM
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I found it! The technology & video add to the game, but essentially this concept was at Raving in 2012 & took 2nd or 3rd place. It did get a few placements, the one closest to me got pulled very quickly & I heard directly from the DTG it was a disaster. I think you have a huge challenge in front of you, but I wish you well.
October 5th, 2014 at 1:32:25 PM
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Quote: JohnnyHawaiianOkay so if you would like to see the video go to you tube and go to
Win, Place & Show by Paz Gaming Inc
Or you may Google pazgaminginc 1 word and that will lead you to our info and video
Or just use this direct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqEqQIzNrc
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John -
I was the guy that gave you a bunch of suggestions, and handed your associates rack cards for my Poker For Roulette game.
To review some of the suggestions:
There should be no need to press a button when the race finishes. The video indicated that removing all the cards resets the game (something I missed at the demo), and the first card down starts the race, so the third horse across the finish line should automatically end it without a button push.
Similarly, there should be sensors under the jokers for the same reasons.
Have a button or key device handy for resets due to dealer error, but not for normal procedures.
When the first horse finishes, light up the win column and color box. When the second horse finishes, light up the exacta and box columns. Etc.
Rotate the suits and/or de-emphasize the art for the dealers card positions to discourage betting in that area.
I had mentioned that it might be a good idea to use Roulette chips rather than Cash cheques. I get the feeling that most players will be betting the lowest denomination available, so chip mucking is less of an issue if you use cash cheques rather than Roulette chips. Also, player arguments over ownership of winning bets might be an issue, but no more so than for the Big 6 or Sic Bo. Your layout, and the myriad of betting options, makes the game similar to Sic Bo - which uses cash cheques. So that's probably the way to go.
Speaking of which, look at a Sic Bo table. The highest paying bets are furthest from the player. This is for the same reason that chip racks have the highest value in the center. you might want to revise your layout to the trifecta is at the center, where it's easier to keep an eye on to prevent past posting.
Past posting is going to be a big issue. It's something I hadn't thought of while watching the demo. The dealer is so engrossed with the deal and placement of the card, that there is ample opportunity for cheating.
I'm not sure how to fix this, but it's a problem.
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http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
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October 5th, 2014 at 1:41:34 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearOr just use this direct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqEqQIzNrc
[bPast posting is going to be a big issue. It's something I hadn't thought of while watching the demo. The dealer is so engrossed with the deal and placement of the card, that there is ample opportunity for cheating.
I'm not sure how to fix this, but it's a problem.
I do like the game but this is the biggest issue IMO.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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October 5th, 2014 at 7:58:23 PM
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I don't see how this doesn't infringe on the Race Card Derby game that was showcased at Ravings a few years ago.
October 6th, 2014 at 12:35:34 AM
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Quote: ParadigmNope, put it on YouTube and provide the link.
Ok well to see my video go to you tube and go to Win, Place & Show by Paz Gaming inc
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 6th, 2014 at 5:48:10 AM
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SighQuote: JohnnyHawaiianOk well to see my video go to you tube and go to Win, Place & Show by Paz Gaming inc
Or use this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqEqQIzNrc
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
October 12th, 2014 at 10:23:41 AM
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Well maybe you should check our patent before you accuse of infringement
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 12th, 2014 at 12:20:24 PM
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Hey Johnny, since this concept was out in 2012, when the Fourm sees your game in 2014, you can understand how some might think about the infringement issue. Sounds like your perspective might be that the Racing Card Derby guys may have infringed on your issued patent. Either way, it doesn't matter until there is a game that is gaining traction in the market place.
Were you able to secure any orders for game trials as a result of G2E? Or do you have any ongoing trials at this point?
Were you able to secure any orders for game trials as a result of G2E? Or do you have any ongoing trials at this point?
October 13th, 2014 at 4:54:34 AM
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DJ TEDDYBEAR I want to thank you for your advice/suggesstions will bring your concerns to the table
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 13th, 2014 at 7:01:27 AM
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Quote: JohnnyHawaiianDJ TEDDYBEAR I want to thank you for your advice/suggesstions will bring your concerns to the table
Just looking out for, and helping, a fellow game designer.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
October 13th, 2014 at 7:30:49 AM
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DJTeddyBear, Thanks for the many geat points. How many games do u have in the market? Love to go play them and learn more from your design and knowledge.Quote: DJTeddyBearJust looking out for, and helping, a fellow game designer.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:09:43 AM
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Sorry to say, but Poker For Roulette is the only thing I came up with, and I'm still looking to get a distributor and first field trial.
I can't churn out new ideas the way some people can. But if I see holes, or ways to improve other people's ideas, I won't hesitate to share.
I can't churn out new ideas the way some people can. But if I see holes, or ways to improve other people's ideas, I won't hesitate to share.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
October 13th, 2014 at 10:12:37 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyIsn't the title owned by Hasbro? ("Win, Place & Show" was a boardgame first produced by 3M, then sold to The Avalon Hill Game Company, which was in turn acquired by Hasbro about 15 years ago.)
I have a copy of that on my shelf... :)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
October 13th, 2014 at 10:38:39 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearSorry to say, but Poker For Roulette is the only thing I came up with, and I'm still looking to get a distributor and first field trial.
I can't churn out new ideas the way some people can. But if I see holes, or ways to improve other people's ideas, I won't hesitate to share.
But it's quality, not quantity, that counts. Go DJTB Go !
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the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
October 14th, 2014 at 8:57:35 PM
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what patent are you talking about? what's the patent number? i saw Racing Card Derby years ago, and your game looks like out and out theft.
October 14th, 2014 at 10:31:54 PM
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You should check your NVGAMINGEXPERT user name to something different I'm not going to say what I'd rather not say however if you look up patent# 6,079.713 PAZ issue date full patent June 27th 2000 so you should reserve your trash talking about theft to yourself I invented this game and I started in 1989 so maybe your user name should be nvgamingidontknowwhatimtalkingaboutidiot but hey not all people have the knowledge as you do
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 14th, 2014 at 10:40:48 PM
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Quote: nvgamingexpertwhat patent are you talking about? what's the patent number? i saw Racing Card Derby years ago, and your game looks like out and out theft.
It is unacceptable for you to join this forum in order to make this kind of unsupported accusation. Highly offensive. 7 day ban. If you have substantial proof of an issue, bring it then.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 15th, 2014 at 4:06:32 AM
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Ouch, He said it looks like, not that it was, haven't others suggested it was very similar to the other game?Quote: beachbumbabsIt is unacceptable for you to join this forum in order to make this kind of unsupported accusation. Highly offensive. 7 day ban. If you have substantial proof of an issue, bring it then.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 15th, 2014 at 6:09:57 AM
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Semantics.Quote: AxelWolfOuch, He said it looks like, not that it was
Leeway could have been given to an established member. I think Babs did the right thing.
Regarding the other game: it's quite possible that patents were issued for both. If so, it'll be up to a judge to decide what to do and which was issued first.
Note that the other game has one specific advantage in that it uses an optical sensor to read the suits. That would alleviate most of the potential for past posting I described earlier.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
October 15th, 2014 at 12:30:12 PM
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Once again my patent application was issued in 1998 it went from a patent pending to an issued patent June of 2002 so if I have a patent for WPS AND RCD has an application as of 2010 for the US Hmmm let's recap patent for Wps6,079.713VS rcd patent # I mean RCD PATENT application
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 15th, 2014 at 1:43:55 PM
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Unnecessary post: removed by poster
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October 15th, 2014 at 1:59:09 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfOuch, He said it looks like, not that it was, haven't others suggested it was very similar to the other game?
If I wanted to be over-protective of JohnnyH, I'd have issued an outright nuke. Adding up what he did do:
1. Brand new member, who appears to have joined only to make this accusation.
2. Accused an established member of intellectual property theft, a very serious accusation.
3. Member's game is in commercial distribution with a reputable company, who presumably did/is doing due diligence on the IP. Makes the claim even more unlikely.
4. New guy (not willing to address him as a "gaming expert") bases his accusation on a vague, "hey, I've seen this somewhere before". WTF, over?
If the new guy has something substantial to offer, he has a week to put his case together and back up his accusation. If not, I can't say I'll miss his non-contributions to this game inventor's forum so far.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 15th, 2014 at 2:05:31 PM
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Babs, +1
October 15th, 2014 at 10:15:51 PM
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I just signed up recently and have been watching with great interest this forum and debate about the similarities that everyone is pointing out with your game and Racing Card Derby.
If you have a patent since 1998, why didn’t you do any development for 16 years? Racing Card Derby was around many years before you designed or displayed anything. What you have displayed is something so similar, that it does appear that you copied it in 2014, after seeing what they have done. You must admit that the layout and similarities are overwhelming.
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, general speaking, it’s a …….? I wish you the best of luck, I think that you are going to need it.
If you have a patent since 1998, why didn’t you do any development for 16 years? Racing Card Derby was around many years before you designed or displayed anything. What you have displayed is something so similar, that it does appear that you copied it in 2014, after seeing what they have done. You must admit that the layout and similarities are overwhelming.
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, general speaking, it’s a …….? I wish you the best of luck, I think that you are going to need it.
October 15th, 2014 at 10:27:26 PM
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So let me respond once again so however you want to spin this it's ok because once again I invented this game with the patent in 2000 it does not matter what I was doing it actually took me 24 years so what took me so long well I've been busy securing my patent so I beg to differ on the luck part
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 29th, 2014 at 2:15:47 PM
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Question on the card placement area itself- it seems that when a spade is placed in the spades area, the display animates the spade horse and so forth until a Win, Place, and Show all come in or Jokers otherwise affect the results.
What occurs if a card is accidentally placed in a wrong area where it triggers the animation incorrectly? Can it be backed out in some fashion? I was envisioning a dreary-eyed dealer misplacing a club onto a spade or what have you, triggering the sensor that animates the display... and then moving it to the proper column for the suit it is.
Thanks, curious to know how that is remedied. Nice layout and design by the way...
Spinner14
What occurs if a card is accidentally placed in a wrong area where it triggers the animation incorrectly? Can it be backed out in some fashion? I was envisioning a dreary-eyed dealer misplacing a club onto a spade or what have you, triggering the sensor that animates the display... and then moving it to the proper column for the suit it is.
Thanks, curious to know how that is remedied. Nice layout and design by the way...
Spinner14
Everyone's an expert.
October 29th, 2014 at 2:46:59 PM
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Providing a touchscreen at each player position, where players could input their wagers via TITO would circumvent the past posting problem. It could also allow a dozens or more players to participate simultaneously. I can easily see this game creating an exciting "track like" atmosphere.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
October 30th, 2014 at 5:10:47 AM
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Thank you for your advice Will relay concerns that we may come accross
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
November 7th, 2014 at 2:38:34 PM
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How is the business benefits of showing your game at g2e? Any contracts, field trials? g2e is way expensive than Raving's Table Game show. Good luck.
November 12th, 2014 at 11:57:15 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsIt is unacceptable for you to join this forum in order to make this kind of unsupported accusation. Highly offensive. 7 day ban. If you have substantial proof of an issue, bring it then.
"what patent are you talking about? what's the patent number? i saw Racing Card Derby years ago, and your game looks like out and out theft."
K, I'd like a clarification on the rules. This statement is clearly and undeniably a simile. A simile, if you no longer remember, is figurative language. By definition, such language cannot be taken 100% literally. I once saw Mission repeatedly insult someone and explain that his insult wasn't an insult because he used a combination of sarcasm (that supposedly anyone could interpret to mean as not sarcastic, even tho they really couldn't) and the second person possessive ("your post" instead of "you").
This poster did not call anything theft. Therefore, he could not possibly have made an unsubstantiated accusation. He compared it to theft. The fact that he he obviously did not call it theft should have offered him at least some protection, under the so-called Mission Exception. Maybe you gave him 7 instead of nuking under similar reasoning. But it seems that 7 days for a newbie is an aggravated penalty.
October 28th, 2015 at 4:56:09 AM
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Aloha everyone been awhile since I've been here however I am back better stronger and ready to roll can't say too much however everything I said before is about to be fulfilled have all my ducks in a row
And my game and my team of lawyers will be right behind me every step of the way will keep you posted
And my game and my team of lawyers will be right behind me every step of the way will keep you posted
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 28th, 2015 at 5:01:23 AM
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Aloha if you want to see everything about me and my game that I invented Google
pazgamininc
Just like that everything's public knowledge on who owns this game it took me awhile to get everything ready to battle my opponents and will let the courts decide
pazgamininc
Just like that everything's public knowledge on who owns this game it took me awhile to get everything ready to battle my opponents and will let the courts decide
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
October 28th, 2015 at 9:30:05 PM
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If you actually file a complaint, please post a link.
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November 25th, 2015 at 2:46:23 AM
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I just don't understand how anybody can claim ownership of something that we own and invented and have a patent # 6,079.713
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
November 25th, 2015 at 6:38:12 AM
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Quote: JohnnyHawaiianAloha if you want to see everything about me and my game that I invented Google pazgamininc
Quote: Google
No results containing all your search terms were found.
Your search - pazgamininc - did not match any documents.
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November 25th, 2015 at 7:08:11 AM
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Paz Gaming Inc patent #6079713
Reno Mike
November 25th, 2015 at 7:09:06 AM
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It's there! I Didn't check dates of filing.
Reno Mike
November 25th, 2015 at 7:22:32 AM
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Quote: JohnnyHawaiianAloha everyone been awhile since I've been here however I am back better stronger and ready to roll can't say too much however everything I said before is about to be fulfilled have all my ducks in a row
And my game and my team of lawyers will be right behind me every step of the way will keep you posted
Paz Gaming Inc Johnny. Please check what you are writing.
Reno Mike
November 25th, 2015 at 8:49:06 AM
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http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6079713.PN.&OS=PN/6079713&RS=PN/6079713
Aloha if you would like to see our patent here is our link to the USPTO
Aloha if you would like to see our patent here is our link to the USPTO
John R. Paz
Paz Gaming Inc
