Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
April 10th, 2014 at 1:21:59 PM permalink
WPT Heads Up Hold 'em goes live in Las Vegas at the M casino today.

Wish it luck, give it support.

games specs.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Lucky
Lucky
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 195
Joined: Nov 6, 2009
April 10th, 2014 at 1:45:36 PM permalink
I think this has a good chance to eat into the UTH market share. Good luck in downtown Vegas, Dan!!!
"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." -- Winston Churchill
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
  • Threads: 210
  • Posts: 11060
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
April 10th, 2014 at 1:46:51 PM permalink
So Dan, what's the scoop?
How do you beat the house in this game?
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ ————————————————————————————————————— Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
  • Threads: 210
  • Posts: 11060
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
April 10th, 2014 at 1:47:05 PM permalink
Just kidding.
Good luck to you and Galazy Gaming.
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ ————————————————————————————————————— Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
Paradigm
Paradigm
  • Threads: 42
  • Posts: 2226
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
April 10th, 2014 at 1:48:09 PM permalink
PGD, is this the first install in Vegas? I played it at Hawk's Prairie card room in Lacey, WA back in December I believe.
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
April 10th, 2014 at 1:50:14 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

PGD, is this the first install in Vegas? I played it at Hawk's Prairie card room in Lacey, WA back in December I believe.


Yes it is. It's been popular up in WA, but it is now spreading out....about time for the good game to get out there in the gamblin' world!
I will check it out in an hour or so...
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Paradigm
Paradigm
  • Threads: 42
  • Posts: 2226
Joined: Feb 24, 2011
April 10th, 2014 at 2:03:19 PM permalink
I saw Muckleshoot training dealers on it in February.....they have to be live with it as well by now.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
  • Threads: 169
  • Posts: 22584
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
April 10th, 2014 at 2:05:25 PM permalink
What are the odds AP's will find a way to exploit this?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
mcallister3200
mcallister3200
  • Threads: 17
  • Posts: 3742
Joined: Dec 29, 2013
April 10th, 2014 at 2:13:33 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

What are the odds AP's will find a way to exploit this?

. 99%? The betting structure of the game almost guarantees it.
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
April 10th, 2014 at 2:21:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

What are the odds AP's will find a way to exploit this?


Small, aside from hole-carding or edge sorting at places where they bring out the community cards early.
I think it's tight.
Strategy is slightly different from UTH.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
beachbumbabs
beachbumbabs
  • Threads: 101
  • Posts: 14268
Joined: May 21, 2013
April 10th, 2014 at 2:28:58 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Small, aside from hole-carding or edge sorting at places where they bring out the community cards early.
I think it's tight.
Strategy is slightly different from UTH.



Congrats, Dan, and good luck with it!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Pokeraddict
Pokeraddict
  • Threads: 36
  • Posts: 786
Joined: Feb 21, 2012
April 10th, 2014 at 3:07:57 PM permalink
I'm going to write this up for a story. Are the two differences between this and UTH the 3x preflop instead of 4x and the bad beat bonus? I also see different side bet odds that relate to the bad beat changes. I am just making sure that I am not missing anything.
Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
  • Threads: 68
  • Posts: 11933
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
April 10th, 2014 at 3:10:53 PM permalink
deleted
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Pokeraddict
Pokeraddict
  • Threads: 36
  • Posts: 786
Joined: Feb 21, 2012
April 10th, 2014 at 3:18:14 PM permalink
One other question - Are there any immediate plans to create a video machine version of the game like the SHFL ones?
UCivan
UCivan
  • Threads: 84
  • Posts: 843
Joined: Sep 3, 2011
April 10th, 2014 at 4:00:47 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

WPT Heads Up Hold 'em goes live in Las Vegas at the M casino today.

Wish it luck, give it support.

games specs.

Is this your own game or Galaxy's corp game? Congra!!
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
April 21st, 2014 at 10:18:14 AM permalink
Quote: UCivan

Quote: Paigowdan

WPT Heads Up Hold 'em goes live in Las Vegas at the M casino today.

Wish it luck, give it support.

games specs.

Is this your own game or Galaxy's corp game? Congra!!



As of last January, everything I now design or patent gets assigned to Galaxy gaming. I am all right with this, and it is supposed to be this way now, as I am their Manager of game development. My older games (pre-employment) are assigned to Lubin-Jones, LLC.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Roghaltz
Roghaltz
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 17
Joined: Apr 6, 2010
August 13th, 2014 at 1:49:52 PM permalink
Is the game available anywhere else in LV other than the M resort?

Thanks.
Zcore13
Zcore13
  • Threads: 41
  • Posts: 3838
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
August 13th, 2014 at 3:12:00 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: UCivan

Quote: Paigowdan

WPT Heads Up Hold 'em goes live in Las Vegas at the M casino today.

Wish it luck, give it support.

games specs.

Is this your own game or Galaxy's corp game? Congra!!



As of last January, everything I now design or patent gets assigned to Galaxy gaming. I am all right with this, and it is supposed to be this way now, as I am their Manager of game development. My older games (pre-employment) are assigned to Lubin-Jones, LLC.



I think the question was more directed at did you come up with the design/concept of the game or did it come from outside and Galaxy bought the rights or IP to the game.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
August 13th, 2014 at 3:53:42 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: UCivan

Quote: Paigowdan

WPT Heads Up Hold 'em goes live in Las Vegas at the M casino today.

Wish it luck, give it support.

games specs.

Is this your own game or Galaxy's corp game? Congra!!



As of last January, everything I now design or patent gets assigned to Galaxy gaming. I am all right with this, and it is supposed to be this way now, as I am their Manager of game development. My older games (pre-employment) are assigned to Lubin-Jones, LLC.



I think the question was more directed at did you come up with the design/concept of the game or did it come from outside and Galaxy bought the rights or IP to the game.


ZCore13



1. The base game is similar to Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, which is enabled by a Patent that Galaxy owns and holds via the Derek Webb/Prime table games acquisition, and shares via a lease with a competitor.

2. yes, the idea of reducing the raise bet to 3x on hole cards, and repaying that extra house edge back in the form of financing a free Bad Beat feature is my idea as a Galaxy employee, and is fully and exclusively owned by Galaxy Gaming, and is patent filed under Galaxy Gaming, Inc. of Las Vegas, NV. Some ideas come from the big boss, and one high-up sales rep has also produced some very fine game ideas.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
August 13th, 2014 at 3:56:07 PM permalink
Quote: Roghaltz

Is the game available anywhere else in LV other than the M resort?

Thanks.



Soon. It passed its field trial, and is awaiting formal approval by the Nevada Gaming Control Board and the Nevada Gaming Commission.
It is available in a number of casinos and card rooms in Washington state, where it was launched.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Zcore13
Zcore13
  • Threads: 41
  • Posts: 3838
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
August 13th, 2014 at 4:59:51 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: Zcore13

Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: UCivan

Quote: Paigowdan

WPT Heads Up Hold 'em goes live in Las Vegas at the M casino today.

Wish it luck, give it support.

games specs.

Is this your own game or Galaxy's corp game? Congra!!



As of last January, everything I now design or patent gets assigned to Galaxy gaming. I am all right with this, and it is supposed to be this way now, as I am their Manager of game development. My older games (pre-employment) are assigned to Lubin-Jones, LLC.



I think the question was more directed at did you come up with the design/concept of the game or did it come from outside and Galaxy bought the rights or IP to the game.


ZCore13



1. The base game is similar to Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, which is enabled by a Patent that Galaxy owns and holds via the Derek Webb/Prime table games acquisition, and shares via a lease with a competitor.

2. yes, the idea of reducing the raise bet to 3x on hole cards, and repaying that extra house edge back in the form of financing a free Bad Beat feature is my idea as a Galaxy employee, and is fully and exclusively owned by Galaxy Gaming, and is patent filed under Galaxy Gaming, Inc. of Las Vegas, NV. Some ideas come from the big boss, and one high-up sales rep has also produced some very fine game ideas.



Nice job on the taking a little from the main bet and giving it back in the form of the Bad Beat for the Odds Bet. That's a great feature of the game.


ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Paigowdan
Paigowdan
  • Threads: 115
  • Posts: 5692
Joined: Apr 28, 2010
August 13th, 2014 at 6:04:54 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13



Nice job on the taking a little from the main bet and giving it back in the form of the Bad Beat for the Odds Bet. That's a great feature of the game.


ZCore13



Jeff, - thank you, really!
Sometimes it is the small thing that makes the biggest difference.
Early in its development, we also considered other things, other uses of the edge trade-off, including a "Dealer always qualifies" version with a lesser Blind pay table. But in a hold 'em game with a big community board, two things really stood out: getting killed with a lower full house, and getting killed with a lower flush or straight. Up Close and Personal Gambling experience can really help. Those instances we do see and STEAM - AND with another trip to the casino ATM machine with its $3.95/$4.95 charge. Gak! This little change took a lot of time and money to develop; the initial pay tables were way to loose for the first two installs, and the Free Bad Beat pay table was adjusted very accurate with real data. Serious birthing pains up in WA state for a couple of weeks, then smoother sailing.....

One other thing I added, which I fully admit is very similar to the hole card bonus bet of Texas Hold 'em Bonus, is the Pocket Bonus bet - but with a FOUR-item pay table, instead of a 12-item pay table. What was bugging me on that scenario was the gazillion separate line items for the "AK suited versus AQ suited versus AQ off-suit versus AJ suited, versus a low pair versus a medium pair versus a medium-LOW pair," ad infinitum.

I just saw it as:
Aces;
Ace-Face suited;
Ace-Face off, and
ANY pair K's or less.

And that's IT. Done with. Less is more there 100%. BIG game design lesson here.

The Pocket bonus took me ten minutes in excel, and ten minutes for the indy mathematician to calc & report. It is TWO CARDS....Three pay tables with a high (9.9%), medium (6.8%) and low-ish (4.5%) house edge. It was an extra item little job in a group of bigger math reports where that extra side bet work was an additional $18.75 charge. After all the head-banging and brainstorming and mid-wife-ing for the big humdinger, - which was like an engine rebuild and re-manufacture, the Pocket bonus was like adding a new wiper blade that sweeps clean, "while we got the car in the shop....."

I'm not alone at GG. A LOT of stuff also comes from the big guy at GG ("a hands-on kinda guy"), and from one sales exec. It's "into the conference room, and order out for pizza," and believe me, I frequently hear "Dan, that blows - NEXT!" [Gong sounds....] Gotta look at it all....and a lotta math work and dealing procedures...
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
Ayecarumba
Ayecarumba
  • Threads: 236
  • Posts: 6763
Joined: Nov 17, 2009
August 13th, 2014 at 6:14:56 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

"Dan, that blows - NEXT!" [Gong sounds....] ...



Haha... I've got to get me one of those.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
Roghaltz
Roghaltz
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 17
Joined: Apr 6, 2010
August 14th, 2014 at 5:04:08 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Soon. It passed its field trial, and is awaiting formal approval by the Nevada Gaming Control Board and the Nevada Gaming Commission.
It is available in a number of casinos and card rooms in Washington state, where it was launched.



Thanks. Can you post when/where its available? I played it at Dover Downs (DE) and it was a lot of fun. Heading to LV in early October.
  • Jump to: