"Riverboat Roulette" is going live in Las Vegas!

We're happy to announce that we just solidified a deal that will bring "Riverboat Roulette" to The Golden Gate Hotel & Casino on Fremont Street in Fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada the first week in April. Additionally, the second unit of the game is slated to be installed in The D, Las Vegas a few weeks after.

All the best with these first two installs!

Quote: Tomspur

All the best with these first two installs!

Thanks for the kind words, Tomspur!

Proving once again that NICE guys do not always finish last. Always glad to see a fellow vet succeed, even with the Variable Re-enlistment Bonus during the Vietnam War, 4 years was all of the USAF I could stand. LOL

Quote: Buzzard

Proving once again that NICE guys do not always finish last. Always glad to see a fellow vet succeed, even with the Variable Re-enlistment Bonus during the Vietnam War, 4 years was all of the USAF I could stand. LOL

Thanks Buzz...and thanks for those 4 years in a turbulent time in a VERY unpopular war.

Just glad you were not the base recruiter !

Quote: Buzzard

Just glad you were not the base recruiter !

If I had been your recruiter, you'd had been a lifer!

The only way the colored bets can lose is if a white
number hits? They don't lose to the green numbers?

I still can't figure out why a casino would want a game
where bets just sit and sit without being resolved, like
in craps. The white numbers will sleep, just like the
dozens do, for 10-15 spins at a time, and it's possible
for a colored bet to sit there that whole time, making
money for nobody. I don't see why anybody would
play this game, I didn't in 2012 in the orig thread.

Congratulations on the double installation double Luck! Well done and many more to come.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Congratulations on the double installation double Luck! Well done and many more to come.

BABS, you have time to post here, but not to answer my PM's about reducing the alimony payments, as you get installations on your game ? ? ?

Quote: EvenBob

The only way the colored bets can lose is if a white
number hits? They don't lose to the green numbers?

I still can't figure out why a casino would want a game
where bets just sit and sit without being resolved, like
in craps. The white numbers will sleep, just like the
dozens do, for 10-15 spins at a time, and it's possible
for a colored bet to sit there that whole time, making
money for nobody. I don't see why anybody would
play this game, I didn't in 2012 in the orig thread.

Any hook to get more people interested. People have wide ranges of tastes, there probably are some gamblers who would like this because it takes the roulette mechanic and adds a craps feature (multiple rounds to resolve a bet).

As to the casino's perspective, I would guess they really don't care that these bets take a bit longer since the money will end up in the box eventually (assuming the HE is around the same as for standard roulette).

Quote: beachbumbabs

Congratulations on the double installation double Luck! Well done and many more to come.

Thanks, Babs!

You say in the video the only way the colored bets
can lose is when the ball falls in a white pocket.
Does that mean they are safe from the green zeros
as well?

Quote: Buzzard

BABS, you have time to post here, but not to answer my PM's about reducing the alimony payments, as you get installations on your game ? ? ?

Today was opening day. Give it time, man. Besides, once Josie wins the lion I'll be asking you for money.

Quote: EvenBob

You say in the video the only way the colored bets
can lose is when the ball falls in a white pocket.
Does that mean they are safe from the green zeros
as well?

We said that in the video, because that's the only way ANY of the color bets lose. Red, Black, and Green outcomes are all pushes.

Go right ahead , darling Josie is smarter than me. I had to sign a pre-nup or she would have her Asian girlfriend in the red dress haunt Aceofspades.

Quote: doubleluck

We said that in the video, because that's the only way ANY of the color bets lose. Red, Black, and Green outcomes are all pushes.

Red and black have 8 pockets they can lose on? An even money bet?

I'm speechless. I don't know what to say. Why would you
do that?

Are you serious. I can't believe after a year and a half you still struggle to "get it."
Why are you even in this forum? You bring nothing but ignorance and disrespect.

Barbs, just wanted you to know that my casino is giving a serious look at your game. I've been tasked to write the IC's on it. Good luck with your game.

Quote: EvenBob

Red and black have 8 pockets they can lose on? An even money bet?

I'm speechless. I don't know what to say. Why would you
do that?

Bob, you already know the deal with this game.....It's a totally separate side bet to the traditional game of roulette. All the traditional bets are totally unaffected by what we've added. When I was referring to the Red, Black, and Green outcomes, it was with respect to the other color bets....NOT the traditional Red and Black bets. If you look at the wheel, you'll see that there are 2 black pockets, 2 red pockets, and 2 green pockets. So, if the ball lands in any of these 6 pockets, the color bets push.

The rules are simple: (1) Pick a color & if your color comes up you get paid odds.(2) If your color doesn't come up it's a push. (3) The ONLY way any of the color bets lose is if there is a white outcome.

*** Key point: The traditional game is NOT affected is any way***

So, if you're a traditionalist who hates side bets, all you have to do is to ignore the color bets and continue playing the game the way you always have.

Quote: Casinoboy

Are you serious. I can't believe after a year and a half you still struggle to "get it."
.

I just can't believe why the game would be changed
like this for no apparent reason. It's not better or easier
to play or more attractive in any way. Yup, I don't 'get
it' for sure. It's like the wheel with 3 sets of numbers
that all spin in different directions. Or 3 dimensional
chess. Just leave well enough alone.

Quote: EvenBob

I just can't believe why the game would be changed
like this for no apparent reason. It's not better or easier
to play or more attractive in any way. Yup, I don't 'get
it' for sure. It's like the wheel with 3 sets of numbers
that all spin in different directions. Or 3 dimensional
chess. Just leave well enough alone.

The game hasn't been changed. There are only additional bets being placed on the layout. The game you know as "traditional" roulette is an evolution from an older game....the original was just betting Even and Odd. Since then, dozens, columns, and red & black were all added.

Congrats on your installs DL. Good luck. I'm Interested to see how it performs.. Please PM me with some numbers when your receive them. Would like to run them by my director to see if we could get it in my casino.

Quote: Casinoboy

Congrats on your installs DL. Good luck. I'm Interested to see how it performs.. Please PM me with some numbers when your receive them. Would like to run them by my director to see if we could get it in my casino.

Thanks! Currently, it's holding an additional 6.21% over the traditional game in the UK, but will let you know how it performs in Vegas after the first month.

Quote: Casinoboy

Barbs, just wanted you to know that my casino is giving a serious look at your game. I've been tasked to write the IC's on it. Good luck with your game.

Casinoboy,
That's great news! I hope you decide to make an install. I am respecting Bally's role in placements and so will say nothing more, but thanks for letting me know. Yay!

Quote: EvenBob

I just can't believe why the game would be changed
like this for no apparent reason. It's not better or easier
to play or more attractive in any way. Yup, I don't 'get
it' for sure. It's like the wheel with 3 sets of numbers
that all spin in different directions. Or 3 dimensional
chess. Just leave well enough alone.

The apparent reason for the change of the game is the declining share of the casino's action had by the traditional Roulette table without such a side bet. The D and Golden Gate also happen to be two of the better-known casinos with respect to trying out new games, for example, The D offers Pai Gow Mania and is currently the only casino offering Deuces Wild Hold 'Em Fold 'Em.

Establishments try new things, some of them work, some of them don't. If nobody tried anything new, then Let it Ride would never have been played live in a casino, the result of which being Mississippi Stud likely not being invented and so on and so forth.

Roulette is not a game that attracts many young players, or even as many players as it once did, in general. Proprietary games have an increasing percentage of the overall casino hold and that for Roulette is decreasing. Well enough could be left alone, but if it is left alone long enough, it's quite possible that Roulette will eventually go the way of Faro.

Anyone know where I can find a good Faro game?

Quote: Mission146

Roulette is not a game that attracts many young players, or even as many players as it once did, in general.

Holy cow, Mission, wrong on all counts. Most (most!) of
the people I see playing roulette in local joints and
in Vegas are under 35. And as far as making money, it's
doing better in Vegas % wise than BJ. It's holding it's
own as it always has and always will. 200 years and
counting, it's the original casino game.

The numbers came out a few months ago, roulette is
not fading in the least.

I may get lambasted for this but remember things don't start and end in the USA......Roulette is a HUGE game overseas, Europe, Africa parts of Asia. People just love the game, in fact is is twice as big as Blackjack.

I don't see the allure in the US because people are sick of playing a game that has worse odds than the ones played in europe and on some cruise ships. Perhaps a little re invention isn't completely out of line.

Still as Bob says, Roulette isn't going anywhere but could it be doing better inside the US......you betcha!!

Quote: EvenBob

Holy cow, Mission, wrong on all counts. Most (most!) of
the people I see playing roulette in local joints and
in Vegas are under 35. And as far as making money, it's
doing better in Vegas % wise than BJ. It's holding it's
own as it always has and always will. 200 years and
counting, it's the original casino game.

The numbers came out a few months ago, roulette is
not fading in the least.

I'm talking dollar amounts based on a chart I saw, I'll find it within the next eighteen hours.

Quote: Tomspur

...Roulette is a HUGE game overseas, Europe, Africa parts of Asia. People just love the game, in fact is is twice as big as Blackjack.
!

More than twice as big, 10 times as big. Go to a casino
in the UK or France or Germany and all you see is roulette
tables. Some casinos will have 20 tables of roulette and 5 of
BJ. Same in S America and Africa. It's a fascinating game
and will be here long after the others have gone the way
of Faro..

Quote: Mission146

I'm talking dollar amounts based on a chart I saw, I'll find it within the next eighteen hours.

We just had a thread about this a few months ago,
roulette is doing well, it always does well. It will
always do well, they love the 35/1 payout.

Quote: EvenBob

More than twice as big, 10 times as big. Go to a casino
in the UK or France or Germany and all you see is roulette
tables. Some casinos will have 20 tables of roulette and 5 of
BJ. Same in S America and Africa. It's a fascinating game
and will be here long after the others have gone the way
of Faro..

I didn't want to sound like I was hyperbolizing :)

I have actually dealt many of those roulette games were you cannot see the layout and the stacks of chips look like sky scrapers. Most fun I have ever had dealing!

I also dealt to Johnny Clegg (look him up if you don't know the name). Facinating character and between all the primping and doing coke, he is a super human being :)

Quote: EvenBob

Holy cow, Mission, wrong on all counts. Most (most!) of
the people I see playing roulette in local joints and
in Vegas are under 35. And as far as making money, it's
doing better in Vegas % wise than BJ. It's holding it's
own as it always has and always will. 200 years and
counting, it's the original casino game.

The numbers came out a few months ago, roulette is
not fading in the least.

Roulette, as of 2012, had held its own pretty well on The Strip with a loss of revenue of 5.7% and a loss of roughly 4% of tables across the State. As relates The Strip, Roulette was only out-performed in revenue by Baccarat, which had a dramatic revenue increase:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/11263-table-games-dying-in-nevada/2/#post180595

On the other hand, for Off-Strip, rest of Clark County and Nevada, Roulette performed terribly in revenue being beaten (slightly) by Craps and significantly by Three-Card Poker, Mini-Baccarat, Let it Ride, Pai-Gow Poker and, "Other Games," in terms of percentage lost of revenue:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/11263-table-games-dying-in-nevada/2/#post180636

In terms of revenue share:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/11263-table-games-dying-in-nevada/4/#post180803

You'll see that Blackjack, as expected, significantly defeats Roulette, as does Craps, particularly Off-Strip. Baccarat does almost nothing Off-Strip, but probably beats Roulette overall just with The Strip numbers. Three-Card Poker and Pai-Gow Poker both had revenues fairly close to Roulette Off-Strip.

Roulette was a distant third according to a report from Atlantic City posted here in 2011:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/6289-is-roulette-a-dying-game/#post88123

Finally, there is the study from the thread you referenced, and you are correct that Roulette outpaced Craps:

http://gaming.unlv.edu/reports/strip_game_mix.pdf

However, this study seems only to consider the Strip, and Roulette performed relatively better on The Strip than it performed Off-Strip and the rest of Nevada pursuant to the links above. That's true in terms of revenue decline.

Furthermore, this is just the unit share by game for Roulette still being at 9.98% for 2012, it doesn't mean Roulette ADDED tables necessarily, you could take other tables away, which would cause Roulette to increase in relative presence while not actually adding any tables. In fact, we happen to know that Roulette lost a few tables in recent years, just less than other games on a relative basis.

You'll also see that, "Others," which includes Proprietary Games, has over twice the presence of Roulette, just on The Strip.

Roulette and Craps are back and forth in revenue share, it's true that Roulette was superior in 2009, 2010 and 2012, but Craps had superior revenues as recently as 2011 and every year prior to 2009.

Furthermore, it's the same thing as Table Count, if less people gamble, in general, then Roulette will stay relatively the same but gain relative market share in terms of revenue. In terms of revenue, of course, Baccarat (which I assume includes proprietary variations) and Blackjack utterly dominate Roulette and the category, "Others," exceeds Roulette slightly.

Baccarat also does well for its variations, and the same can be said for Blackjack variations and side bets...and that's what this is...a Roulette side bet.

Worthy of note is that Baccarat has over FOUR TIMES the revenue share of Roulette on virtually the same share of physical tables... In 2011, Baccarat did over 4.5 times what Roulette did on FEWER tables.

Side bets are where it's at, you can have Blackjack and Baccarat, but keep them fresh, and that's what DoubleLuck is attempting to do with Riverboat Roulette. He's not trying to reinvent the wheel (weak pun, I know) just to improve it.

I make no claims as to Roulette's performance overseas, though I do know the Rules are generally better. I would also be interested in seeing these same numbers for Off-Strip and rest of Nevada casinos, because with the earlier data in the posts linked towards the top, it seemed as though Roulette did disproportionately better on the Strip.

Congratulations DoubleLuck Bros! I will be in Vegas the first weekend in May staying Downtown and will certainly give it a look at The D. I am not a big roulette player, but we observe and ask around at The D to see what the dealers are saying about the game.

Including the UK trials, how many RIver Boat Roulette tables are now in play?

Quote: Paradigm

Including the UK trials, how many RIver Boat Roulette tables are now in play?

Thanks, Mike!

Total installations to date are still just the two. We also have commitments for two more in NY state but chose to focus our efforts on getting the game into Las Vegas first. We just feel Vegas gives us the greatest potential to make the biggest impact -- especially with the concentration of properties. Additionally, when we were at Raving's we had contacts from Las Vegas express real interest in the game but flatly stated they would not be the first to move on it. The constant theme was, "Get it installed in another property first". As a result, once we get the 2-3 going in the downtown area, we'll look to get the others installed in the NY property.

Congrats. Best of luck, Luck Brothers!



(Now if I could only get someone interested in Poker For Roulette...)

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Congrats. Best of luck, Luck Brothers!

Thanks DJ!

Quote: DJTeddyBear

(Now if I could only get someone interested in Poker For Roulette...)

I'm sure there are casinos out there that will take a shot....you just have to put it in front of them. I've found that most people are not in the buying mode when you call them on the phone or just show up at their doorstep. You have to be in the marketplace where they're shopping and looking to buy -- Exhibit. While it may be pricier, the rewards are bigger and most importantly you are better in control of making contacts and your own destiny.

Two tables become four tables with the Vegas installs, that sounds like some good momentum to me!

I agree with you on the "come back with some performance data" response from prospective clients. We have a few of those types of "opportunities" as well. Hoping that variance smiles favorably on both of our trials so we can turn those into additional installs. Best of Luck :-)!

Congratulations, Luck Brothers! Seems to be a good month for new indy-installs. Wishing you success!

You guys are from Spring, right? I used to live in north Houston, right next to IAH.

Josie and I lived in Houston ( Katy ) in the 80's, but got paroled after 3 years.

Congratulations fellow Texans! Very pleased to hear of your initial successes in LV and wish you continued success. Your plan to get established in Nevada first is a sound one, I think. After all, it is the BIG fish at which we're all aiming. I've been out in West Texas for over 30 years. Wouldn't it be convenient for us to have the Lone Star state in the gaming jurisdiction mix?

Damn Lucky, I never noticed before that you and the Luck Brothers have brown eyes !

Quote: CrystalMath

Congratulations, Luck Brothers! Seems to be a good month for new indy-installs. Wishing you success!

You guys are from Spring, right? I used to live in north Houston, right next to IAH.

We are both originally from Oklahoma -- "Okies from Muskogee". Now,I actually live in Spring but will relocate to Katy in the summer and Kent resides in the Kansas City area.

Quote: Lucky

Congratulations fellow Texans! Very pleased to hear of your initial successes in LV and wish you continued success. Your plan to get established in Nevada first is a sound one, I think. After all, it is the BIG fish at which we're all aiming. I've been out in West Texas for over 30 years. Wouldn't it be convenient for us to have the Lone Star state in the gaming jurisdiction mix?

Thanks Lucky! We know we're supposedly bucking the traditional mode of thinking by introducing a new game by going to Nevada. However, we don't view "Riverboat Roulette" as a new game but rather an addition. Also, as a salesman by trade, it doesn't make sense NOT to try Nevada. There are simply more chances to make a sale! Additionally, if that's where we all want to be anyway, why not target the ultimate goal from the beginning? Games are no different than any other product. Some may say you shouldn't "sell" to table game directors and the like, but that is simply a foreign concept to me. No matter the product or service, sales is a people business and numbers game and there ate simply more chances to make a sale in Nevada.

As far as gaming in Texas, what would all the casino parking lots look like in Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Louisiana without all those Texas license plates?

Quote: doubleluck

Thanks Lucky! We know we're supposedly bucking the traditional mode of thinking by introducing a new game by going to Nevada. However, we don't view "Riverboat Roulette" as a new game but rather an addition. Also, as a salesman by trade, it doesn't make sense NOT to try Nevada. There are simply more chances to make a sale! Additionally, if that's where we all want to be anyway, why not target the ultimate goal from the beginning? Games are no different than any other product. Some may say you shouldn't "sell" to table game directors and the like, but that is simply a foreign concept to me. No matter the product or service, sales is a people business and numbers game and there ate simply more chances to make a sale in Nevada.

Congratulation!! This is a great accomplishment. I ought to know this... I spoke to Frank, the TGD at The D, on new games before. He told me not to talk to him about any new games unless I have a couple of placements elsewhere in Vegas first.

Congratulations DoubleLuck.

Quote: UCivan

Congratulation!! This is a great accomplishment. I ought to know this... I spoke to Frank, the TGD at The D, on new games before. He told me not to talk to him about any new games unless I have a couple of placements elsewhere in Vegas first.

Thanks UCivan! Actually, Derek Stevens, the CEO of The D, happened to pass by our game at Raving's and loved it --- so, it sure helps the decision-making process with the CEO likes the game!

Quote: MrCasinoGames

Congratulations DoubleLuck.

Thanks, Stephen!

Quote: doubleluck

Thanks UCivan! Actually, Derek Stevens, the CEO of The D, happened to pass by our game at Raving's and loved it --- so, it sure helps the decision-making process with the CEO likes the game!

This is the TRUE doubleluck!!! Again, congra.

We've gotten some pretty good press and publicity since Riverboat Roulette opened earlier this month. The Golden Gate really has gone above and beyond marketing the game to include placing an animated advertisement on their marquee that faces the hoards of people on Freemont Street and runs every few minutes. On opening day, media was present at the property in full force and I was even interviewed for a news segment on the local CBS affiliate. Since then, we've also gotten a few more write-ups and have also been mentioned on a few podcasts dedicated to gaming and Las Vegas.

During the first week, there seemed to be a higher than normal rate of "white outs", however, The Director of Table Games at the property has been very pleased with the participation rate on our bets during the first month. At the present time, I'll reserve my comments as to the hold percentage, as the first week was far "too good". We'll see how things pan out over the course of the next 30 days or so.

http://vitalvegas.com/riverboat-roulette-golden-gate-lends-colorful-new-twist-classic-game/