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August 21st, 2014 at 9:16:16 AM permalink
So Babs since you got that royalty check, you won't be mad when my alimoney check is a little late this month ?
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December 18th, 2014 at 6:40:50 PM permalink
UCivan asked for an update on installs in another thread, so here's some info:

General info on OFTM installs, which opened in Iowa in Feb. It has been going through places, 5 in the US with it opening/opened in California now, other 4 US pulled it after 2-6 months; 3 installs in Britain, one still has it. Pending 1 in Canada, if they like it, will install 4-5 more up there; still open in Manila, the Philippines. All to the best of my knowledge. I took another look at it twice in the past 6 months; made some suggested changes in April Bally did not adopt, made another in October they liked and will try in California, see if it improves the player experience (it should, it improves the HE for the player, and changes the appearance of the game). I'll get into details of that change if it gets installed with the game.

Lost several proponents of the game when folks changed jobs here and there, but the game itself is holding too high, with not enough drop, and player retention is less than necessary. It starts well but interest sometimes dwindles after several months rather than growing a return fan base in its present incarnation. Roger did not feel there was enough room with their decreased floor space at G2E post-merger and several new games to show for us to be on the floor this year, with the lukewarm performance to that point.

I'm being a bit vague on purpose, though Roger has said I can say whatever I want to on here, so I'm sharing what I'm comfortable putting out publicly in the hopes that other game designers will find it useful. It may be that the redesign is the magic bullet, or it may just not be viable in the long run. I'm told it takes about 2 years for a game to really catch on, so we're not done yet, but I can't say it's a smashing success. Definitely a learning experience, and worth the work. :)
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December 18th, 2014 at 7:13:14 PM permalink
Thanks for the report. Good luck to you and other game designers.
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December 18th, 2014 at 8:49:58 PM permalink
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Worked his ass off making almost
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December 18th, 2014 at 9:22:16 PM permalink
BBB, you got what every developer wants and that is a shot on the floors of multiple properties.....that is a huge milestone as I have had a couple of games be "single trial and done" type propositions. Ohhhh, and you got paid for your efforts to date......that is a nice milestone as well :-).

As EB said, persistence is key and the latest changes may be the ones that give it the magic sauce.

Do you know where in CA the game is opening......I'll add $100 or more to the drop if it is within 90 minutes of my So CA location.
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December 18th, 2014 at 9:36:19 PM permalink
Babs -

Sorry to hear it's not going that great. But I think it's great that at least it's still going. Your lack of information about it lately made me think that it was dead. The fact that Bally's is still working it, still finding new installs and trying new tweaks is a great thing. It shows that they haven't given up.

Continued best of luck....
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December 19th, 2014 at 6:02:00 AM permalink
Thanks for all the good wishes, guys, and I agree, it's been very worthwhile in and of itself. I have 2 new games I'm working on, neither ready yet for prime time, but both pretty solid (I think). The casino in California is near you, Paradigm, but I'm not sure what the time frame is on it re: licensing/approval/training. I don't want to broadcast ahead of the install and hex it somehow, so check your PM's.

I, too, give SHFL/Bally/SG and especially Roger kudos for continuing to carry and work the game. He has been honest and forthright throughout the process, but as he said, there comes a time when a game has to stand on its own legs, and this one's still crawling.
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January 9th, 2015 at 1:05:20 AM permalink
I got a chance to play BBB's One for the Money, re-branded by Bally Tech to "Ultimate Casino War" at Barona. Make no mistake this is the same game and was just installed at a property where Casino War is a big draw (Barona is an 18+ casino).

When I arrived at around 4 PM on New Year's Day, UCW was packed with several observers trying to look on and get a sense of what this new game was all about. I left to play some blackjack as I wasn't getting a seat upon arrival. Barona has two Casino War tables in addition to UCW all within 15' of each other. One Casino War table was closed.

After a hour of BJ, I came back to two players and a crowd that had dissipated. I sat down and bought in for $100 to the $5 min table. I have to admit the game was more fun than I anticipated. Great hands result when you pay for a switch card and receive a Jack - Ace and end up raising post trade and winning three units.

The table filled up again as onlookers asked about the game and I was more than happy to explain basic strategy to them. Even with a game as simple as this one, intuition on how to play is not easy for the type of player interested in a casino war variant. Once players knew how to play, they I had more than one say the game was fun.

In my opinion, the game is a lot better than Casino War in player decisions and volatility. Those are positives for some players and negatives for others. One Casino War player expressed not liking to put up multiple units and went back to the traditional War game. Others liked the fact there was more to do than just get one card and be done. I think the game finds a niche in the same prooerties where Casino War is already doing well & Barona is such a property.

Having someone be able to explain basic strategy onsite would add to the likelihood the game succeeds as my guess is making any type of error on the margin shoots the edge up pretty quickly from its healthy 3%+ under optimum play. Maybe even putting basic strategy on the rack card would help, which I had to ask for as opposed to having them on the table.

I hope this is the installation that finds traction for the game as it certainly should be the natural replacement for every Casino War table Bally Tech has in place....or at least a second install at those properties.
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January 9th, 2015 at 1:27:51 AM permalink
Isn't there space on the layout for basic strategy or suggested strategy.

People who see the basic strategy on the layout will play; people who are clueless will stand and gawk for awhile and then drift away.
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January 9th, 2015 at 7:21:45 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I got a chance to play BBB's One for the Money, re-branded by Bally Tech to "Ultimate Casino War" at Barona. Make no mistake this is the same game and was just installed at a property where Casino War is a big draw (Barona is an 18+ casino).

When I arrived at around 4 PM on New Year's Day, UCW was packed with several observers trying to look on and get a sense of what this new game was all about. I left to play some blackjack as I wasn't getting a seat upon arrival. Barona has two Casino War tables in addition to UCW all within 15' of each other. One Casino War table was closed.

After a hour of BJ, I came back to two players and a crowd that had dissipated. I sat down and bought in for $100 to the $5 min table. I have to admit the game was more fun than I anticipated. Great hands result when you pay for a switch card and receive a Jack - Ace and end up raising post trade and winning three units.

The table filled up again as onlookers asked about the game and I was more than happy to explain basic strategy to them. Even with a game as simple as this one, intuition on how to play is not easy for the type of player interested in a casino war variant. Once players knew how to play, they I had more than one say the game was fun.

In my opinion, the game is a lot better than Casino War in player decisions and volatility. Those are positives for some players and negatives for others. One Casino War player expressed not liking to put up multiple units and went back to the traditional War game. Others liked the fact there was more to do than just get one card and be done. I think the game finds a niche in the same prooerties where Casino War is already doing well & Barona is such a property.

Having someone be able to explain basic strategy onsite would add to the likelihood the game succeeds as my guess is making any type of error on the margin shoots the edge up pretty quickly from its healthy 3%+ under optimum play. Maybe even putting basic strategy on the rack card would help, which I had to ask for as opposed to having them on the table.

I hope this is the installation that finds traction for the game as it certainly should be the natural replacement for every Casino War table Bally Tech has in place....or at least a second install at those properties.



Paradigm,

Thanks very much for the detailed report! One note; this install has the simplest low-odds-paytable installed, where if the player wins with a 6 or under they get paid 2x all bets. Which brings the HE down from 3.823 to around 2.66, and the EOR less than that. (CM, could you please put the correct number up there? I'm travelling and don't have all my records.) So, at least in my opinion, that's a significant improvement for the player, and should help retention. Remains to be seen, but I'm very happy with initial word on it.
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