Riva
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December 18th, 2013 at 9:58:38 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

This is almost certainly not patentable, not if you -- as the putative inventor -- consider it to be nothing more than taking a few bets from game A and game B and allowing the players to bet on any combination of them. Patents must be novel, non-obvious, and useful. One of the standards for obviousness, upheld by the Supreme Court and codified in USPTO procedures, is that "[t]he combination of familiar elements according to known methods is likely to be obvious when it does no more than yield predictable results." KSR, 550 U.S. at ___, 82 USPQ2d at 1395. See MPEP 2141 at http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2141.html

In short, by combining known prior bets and getting what you'd expect from that combination (a game with multiple bet spots), a patent is unlikely.

The question of whether it has value is different. There are lots of unpatented games in operation today that make plenty of money and therefore have value. There's no reason yours can't be one of them, and it sounds like it already is. However, without additional IP protection, you have little recourse for earning royalties from any other companies who copy it, and the gaming industry is full of examples where one company released a product but another copied it and became more successful. You should talk to an IP attorney to discuss options (other than a patent) for how you may obtain whatever protection is available.

On the other hand, if you want to offer a patented game for your casino nights, PM me. I have plenty.




I guess if you saw my game, we both agree that its probably not patentable. That's why I'm not getting too excited about this.
However, from a fundraising perspective, i would think that virtually every organization that sponsors a millionaire party would want to have this game at their event. On some wagers, the house edge is only 2.3%. However, there are some that are considerably higher. Again, this is how we make our money at our charitable games, specifically; players typically stay with the bets that have a low house edge for 90% of the time and then say, "oh what the heck" and put a shekel or two down on a bet having a big house edge 10% of the time. It's the 10% that make the big money for us. Charities simply can not make money at games having a low house edge and nothing else. Unlike casinos, they simply do not have the time to make 2.5% house edge turn into meaningful income during the 6-8 hours they are open for business. Casinos are open 24/7.

As I mentioned, we own all our own tables and I work with a great company in California that makes our custom layouts for us. I'd put up a few pictures if I knew how.
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December 18th, 2013 at 10:18:44 AM permalink
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As I mentioned, we own all our own tables and I work with a great company in California that makes our custom layouts for us. I'd put up a few pictures if I knew how.



Somebody gave me this link a few weeks ago; it's perfect and easy to use for uploading. (it will open in a new tab)

1. Browse your hard drive for the picture.
2. click "upload now!"
3. highlight and copy the last box of the 4 that appears.
4. come back to the post you're writing here and paste into this (hit "quote" below to read what I wrote, rather than the red x box. it's red x because it's blank, but it says img= inside brackets.)

That's all it takes for each picture. 30 seconds at most. Sometimes you have to do a little verification thing, about every 4th picture.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 26th, 2013 at 10:39:42 AM permalink
I cant get this to work.
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December 26th, 2013 at 11:38:44 AM permalink
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I cant get this to work.

Here:

http://www.tinypic.com
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December 26th, 2013 at 12:13:03 PM permalink
http://i43.tinypic.com/mrvmo0.png

Well, let's see if this works.

http://i43.tinypic.com/mrvmo0.jpg
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December 26th, 2013 at 12:21:08 PM permalink
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http://i43.tinypic.com/mrvmo0.png

Well, let's see if this works.

http://i43.tinypic.com/mrvmo0.jpg



it does if you enclose the http addresses in brackets [] and put img= just in front of the http.

like this (quote me so you can see what I did)



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December 26th, 2013 at 1:32:12 PM permalink
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it does if you enclose the http addresses in brackets [] and put img= just in front of the http.

like this (quote me so you can see what I did)





Got it. Thanks.

Watta ya think of the layout?
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December 26th, 2013 at 1:40:29 PM permalink
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Watta ya think of the layout?

Why are there 5 low field numbers but 6 high field numbers?
Also, make the Any Triple a simple rectangle so all 6 die number boxes can be the same.
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December 26th, 2013 at 1:51:51 PM permalink
I think it's really great, very attractive, nice graphics.

I would suggest one change, but it's mostly esthetic. Within the 4 boxes of 1:1 bets, instead of listing them side-by-side

High Low Odd Even

I would make 4 wide boxes in 2 rows (keep the "loses on triples" and all the rest the same).

I would put them like this:

Low High
Odd Even

And have the low under the 7 individual low pays, and the high under the 7 individual high pays (the sizes of the boxes).

That way the low and high would be self-defining, and you wouldn't need the "over 10" and "under 11" descriptors at all. The Odd and Even line below that would help delineate those bets from the field, which is a subset of them (although the field will pay triples if I'm reading it correctly, except trip 3 and 4).

I can't really tell if that's practical as to chip size, whether they would fit on the line if the box were half as tall, but it works on the "place" and "buy" lines (which I think are much shorter than this would turn out to be) and those work fine on regular craps tables.

Nothing wrong with how you've done it here, however, and I suspect you already considered that and went this way instead. Hope you have a lot of interest from your patrons!
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December 26th, 2013 at 1:55:39 PM permalink
Quote: Riva

Quote: beachbumbabs

it does if you enclose the http addresses in brackets [] and put img= just in front of the http.

like this (quote me so you can see what I did)





Got it. Thanks.

Watta ya think of the layout?

Is it just me, or what,?I just cant take a game seriously with that name
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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