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It really sucked, it is executed terribly by Cantor Gaming, but I enjoyed it tremendously.
So I was thinking that this special kind of excitement should be brought to the gambling tables. I also enjoy Sigma Derby and to a lesser extent Greyhound racing, even though it is all just for show.
The table game equivalent of sports betting would be a game where you would bet on the outcome of a "game" consisting of several rounds. During each of these rounds you might get closer to or move farther from your desired outcome. The odds for bets in between rounds of a game would be changing after each individual round depending on which outcome is more likely atm. It might be played with cards or dice or anything really.
Craps has the element of several rounds, but the big difference is that each round you either hit your number or you don't. You don't get "close", you don't have to sweat that final "inch" and there is no chance for that miracle comback when all seems lost.
(Anyobody remember Tom Brady completing that pass into the end zone with 5 seconds on the clock vs. the Saints? Needless to say my money was riding on the Saints.)
Anything in the works, game inventors?
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The table game equivalent of sports betting would be a game where you would bet on the outcome of a "game" consisting of several rounds. During each of these rounds you might get closer to or move farther from your desired outcome. The odds for bets in between rounds of a game would be changing after each individual round depending on which outcome is more likely atm. It might be played with cards or dice or anything really.
The two problem I see with such games are first it is not a fast enough turn for the casino and to be honest even craps is beyond the attention span of half the population. Such a game also may need a crew vs one dealer.
Quote: CanyoneroDuring my last trip, I ventured into "in-running" (aka "live") sports betting.
It really sucked, it is executed terribly by Cantor Gaming, but I enjoyed it tremendously.
So I was thinking that this special kind of excitement should be brought to the gambling tables. I also enjoy Sigma Derby and to a lesser extent Greyhound racing, even though it is all just for show.
The table game equivalent of sports betting would be a game where you would bet on the outcome of a "game" consisting of several rounds. During each of these rounds you might get closer to or move farther from your desired outcome. The odds for bets in between rounds of a game would be changing after each individual round depending on which outcome is more likely atm. It might be played with cards or dice or anything really.
Craps has the element of several rounds, but the big difference is that each round you either hit your number or you don't. You don't get "close", you don't have to sweat that final "inch" and there is no chance for that miracle comback when all seems lost.
(Anyobody remember Tom Brady completing that pass into the end zone with 5 seconds on the clock vs. the Saints? Needless to say my money was riding on the Saints.)
Anything in the works, game inventors?
The Fire bet in Craps does this and seems to be quite popular, spanning several points on a single shooter. Other bets spanning several points have done less well. But the ground has been broken.
There have been several bet proposals and special equipment proposed for Roulette by designers on here; none that I know of has caught on.
In slots, there have been many machines which build towards a bonus over multiple spins, from Boom! by WMS where 50 firecrackers save up to a bonus by random appearance on the screen, to dozens that the AP's know how to watch and descend on once they're +ev.
Other than a progressive jackpot technically falling within the bounds of your question, with the pot-building aspect of every player's bet contributing to the eventual award, I'm not aware of any card game currently played that accumulates across hands. Hmmm... :)
https://wizardofodds.com/games/three-dice-football/
That Three Dice Football is close to what I was envisioning, a pity it failed. Would have loved to give it a try.
Is it really the complicated rules though? Craps seems to be doing alright... Casinos just don't have the balls to get something going these days. If a new game isn't making a fortune within the first week of placement, it's gone.
Time for a daring casino owner to shake things up (I am looking at you Derek Stevens).
Quote: CanyoneroThanks guys, for your input so far.
That Three Dice Football is close to what I was envisioning, a pity it failed. Would have loved to give it a try.
Is it really the complicated rules though? Craps seems to be doing alright... Casinos just don't have the balls to get something going these days. If a new game isn't making a fortune within the first week of placement, it's gone.
Time for a daring casino owner to shake things up (I am looking at you Derek Stevens).
I'll give a free trial of the Hard Pass craps bet to whoever wants to try it, and it's already approved in Nevada. If the shooter comes out with a hard number and makes it the hard way, the bet pays 80-to-1.
And I know someone with patented game ideas that allows for mid-play betting during a back-and-forth sequence of game outcomes. Is that what you were thinking about?
Quote: CanyoneroDuring my last trip, I ventured into "in-running" (aka "live") sports betting.
It really sucked, it is executed terribly by Cantor Gaming, but I enjoyed it tremendously.
So I was thinking that this special kind of excitement should be brought to the gambling tables. I also enjoy Sigma Derby and to a lesser extent Greyhound racing, even though it is all just for show.
The table game equivalent of sports betting would be a game where you would bet on the outcome of a "game" consisting of several rounds. During each of these rounds you might get closer to or move farther from your desired outcome. The odds for bets in between rounds of a game would be changing after each individual round depending on which outcome is more likely atm. It might be played with cards or dice or anything really.
Craps has the element of several rounds, but the big difference is that each round you either hit your number or you don't. You don't get "close", you don't have to sweat that final "inch" and there is no chance for that miracle comback when all seems lost.
(Anyobody remember Tom Brady completing that pass into the end zone with 5 seconds on the clock vs. the Saints? Needless to say my money was riding on the Saints.)
Anything in the works, game inventors?
Have you seen Racing Card Derby?
Racing Card Derby
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Have you seen Racing Card Derby?
Racing Card Derby
ZCore13
That's what I am talking about. Might be a bit simplistic, though. Is that still available somewhere?
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And I know someone with patented game ideas that allows for mid-play betting during a back-and-forth sequence of game outcomes. Is that what you were thinking about?
Yeah, that sounds interesting. Why so vague?
Quote: CanyoneroYeah, that sounds interesting. Why so vague?
It's not my game and I don't necessarily know if he wants it bandied about in idle chatter. If you've got an actual client who wants to do a game based on the concept, though, I could probably put a deal together.
Quote: ThermosThe counters killed that game at Pechanga.
Do tell...
Quote: ThermosThe counters killed that game at Pechanga.
Didn't this relate to the fact that Pechanga wasn't using a fresh 52 card deck each round, but rather a 6 deck shoe?
Quote: ParadigmDidn't this relate to the fact that Pechanga wasn't using a fresh 52 card deck each round, but rather a 6 deck shoe?
Eight decks.
I hope it doesn't bother anyone (Mike?) that I post so many links to my blog here. But, I've already answered many of the advantage play questions that come up here. Maybe I need a better index on my site.
Racing Card Derby: A Cautionary Study
http://apheat.net/2013/06/26/racing-card-derby/
Quote: teliotI hope it doesn't bother anyone (Mike?) that I post so many links to my blog here.
Eliot, you have a link as much as you wish to your site.
This is the key part of my article, referencing a team of 3 APs:Quote: tringlomaneIt doesn't bother me. If you have answered the question thoroughly on your site, you might as well link it instead of trying to copy and reformat. And what you have linked is definitely thorough. Nice job as always!
The team will earn 3 x (16.617) = 49.851 units per 100 hands. If the APs are wagering $100 each, then the team will win approximately $4985.10 per 100 hands.
RCD is absolutely crushable when dealt from a shoe. That's why the game was designed to be dealt from a single deck, shuffled between rounds.
Thanks, as always, for your generosity!Quote: WizardEliot, you have a link as much as you wish to your site.
Quote: teliotThanks, as always, for your generosity!
No thanks necessary, as your contributions to the site (including the math threads) are very welcome.
Quote: WizardIt is my understanding from this investment literature, that there are 104,166,670 shares available of the parent company that owns the game? At 15 cents a share, the game would have a value of $15,625,000.50? That strikes me as a bit high. Do I understand it correctly?
Not when you consider the disclosed growth projections of 20 tables installed in Year 1, growing to 100 tables by Year 2 and 300 tables by year 3!
Wiz, you could have been in on the ground floor :-)......and yes, I believe you are reading that correctly!
Quote: ParadigmNot when you consider the disclosed growth projections of 20 tables installed in Year 1, growing to 100 tables by Year 2 and 300 tables by year 3!
How many tables do they have now?
Quote: teliotEight decks.
This is false. I am starting to regret my "do tell..." post, but I was just very curious what the general chatter was about the RCD play that occurred at Pechanga.
In any case, Pechanga dealt RCD out of a CSM. I don't know if you are deliberately lying or just repeating false information given to you, but you should resist casting an authoritative tone if you do not know the situation with certainty.
Quote: WizardIt is my understanding from this investment literature, that there are 104,166,670 shares available of the parent company that owns the game? At 15 cents a share, the game would have a value of $15,625,000.50? That strikes me as a bit high. Do I understand it correctly?
RCD is not the company's only game. They also have 'Knockout Baccarat'. I think their games have more traction outside of the US, but that valuation does seem, overall, quite high.
Were you one of the players there?Quote: jopkeThis is false. I am starting to regret my "do tell..." post, but I was just very curious what the general chatter was about the RCD play that occurred at Pechanga.
In any case, Pechanga dealt RCD out of a CSM. I don't know if you are deliberately lying or just repeating false information given to you, but you should resist casting an authoritative tone if you do not know the situation with certainty.
Quote: teliotWere you one of the players there?
No, I know nothing about what happened. I just heard from a dealer that someone won a lot of money on that game and so they closed it. I was curious if anyone knew the details.
I did see the game, though and can say, with certainty, it was a CSM. I have a feeling they just got spooked when someone went on a good run.
I wish I could say more, but I can't, sorry.Quote: jopkeI just heard from a dealer ... I have a feeling they just got spooked
http://apheat.net/2013/06/26/racing-card-derby/
What's with the badly executed fake shuffle (1:30) in order to deal the exact same sequence of cards twice? Cracked me up... Maybe their scanner wasn't actually working.
