Money$uit 31 to go live at the Grey Eagle Casino

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October 1st, 2013 at 7:48:26 AM permalink

Best wishes and hot cards, Mr31!

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October 1st, 2013 at 9:48:37 AM permalink

Thanks Guys! I leave tomorrow, then the fun begins....

Harry, I will be happy to fill you in!

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November 6th, 2013 at 7:02:27 AM permalink

Hey all,

Just an update on the game up in Alberta. There were a few things that needed to be straightened out prior to launching the game... The new launch date for the game is Dec. 4th.

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November 6th, 2013 at 7:56:36 AM permalink

Hopefully an early Christmas present, EH Brent

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November 6th, 2013 at 8:04:20 AM permalink

I hope your game is 3 deep in a week, MrMoneySuit!

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November 6th, 2013 at 9:52:08 AM permalink

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I hope your game is 3 deep in a week, MrMoneySuit!

Thanks Babs!

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November 6th, 2013 at 3:03:27 PM permalink

Holy Smoke, you started talking about this 3 1/2 years ago,
in 2010, and it's just getting launched? The ways of the
casinos are mysterious and hidden, nobody understands
them. Least of all the casinos.. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/1898-money-uit-31/

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

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November 12th, 2013 at 6:42:52 AM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
Holy Smoke, you started talking about this 3 1/2 years ago,
in 2010, and it's just getting launched? The ways of the
casinos are mysterious and hidden, nobody understands
them. Least of all the casinos.. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/1898-money-uit-31/

That was their online demo! Could have been 5 years....(made up figure, anyone know the true one?)

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November 12th, 2013 at 6:46:11 AM permalink

Good Luck Money$uit, looking forward for the December 4th update.

Just got pulled over doing 130 so will be in court that day...does anybody else think that 55 speed limit is to low?

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November 12th, 2013 at 7:09:37 AM permalink

Quote: IGRM
Good Luck Money$uit, looking forward for the December 4th update.

Just got pulled over doing 130 so will be in court that day...does anybody else think that 55 speed limit is to low?

Same here, Money$uit ... good luck!

IGRM, come on down to Texas. Outside the cities and towns, most of our highways have 75 mph posted speed limits, some 80 mph.

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November 12th, 2013 at 9:00:35 AM permalink

Quote: Lucky
Same here, Money$uit ... good luck!

IGRM, come on down to Texas. Outside the cities and towns, most of our highways have 75 mph posted speed limits, some 80 mph.

Everything's BIGGER in Texas!

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December 7th, 2013 at 10:37:52 PM permalink

Big weekend for MoneySuit...hope the launch got off as scheduled on the 4th and players are loving the new game!

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December 8th, 2013 at 8:07:53 PM permalink

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Big weekend for MoneySuit...hope the launch got off as scheduled on the 4th and players are loving the new game!

Unfortunately we had gotten slightly delayed with the progressive installation. No particular reason just had to wait for the hardware to get shipped. However we have started to promote on the casino's website.

We should be beginning an online sweepstakes type promotion within a week or so for anyone that is interested feel free to visit the site to find out more info! Grey Eagle Casino.

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December 8th, 2013 at 8:25:48 PM permalink

Great! Very nice promotional work on that site, nice game description, and love that they link to the demo. I really hope this goes well.

By the way, maybe you should consider starting the demo with more chips, like $5,000. My concern is that people will tend to play the highest denomination when it is fake money, which is a bet of at least $105, and it doesn't take that long to plow through $1,000 fake money that way. Could have as negative psychological impact on a would-be player to see $1,000 dissipate that quickly. Even discluding the family bet, a $1,000 bankroll (betting $100) is going to carry a pretty high risk-of-ruin, even in a limited number of hands.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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December 8th, 2013 at 8:31:28 PM permalink

Quote: Mission146
Great! Very nice promotional work on that site, nice game description, and love that they link to the demo. I really hope this goes well.

By the way, maybe you should consider starting the demo with more chips, like $5,000. My concern is that people will tend to play the highest denomination when it is fake money, which is a bet of at least $105, and it doesn't take that long to plow through $1,000 fake money that way. Could have as negative psychological impact on a would-be player to see $1,000 dissipate that quickly. Even discluding the family bet, a $1,000 bankroll (betting $100) is going to carry a pretty high risk-of-ruin, even in a limited number of hands.

Thanks mission,

I understand what you mean with the bankroll amount but people can just refresh and get more chips anyway. Some people do choose to play as if they are actually at a low min table to see what would take place in real life... I'm not overly concerned with the chip amount. However at some point I may change over to the more modern looking demo format as is present on the Match 31 demo. When that happens ill probably change the bankroll amount if and when the time comes...

Once I know the specific date of launch I will keep you guys informed. I appologize for the numerous date changes but some things are just out of your control and just deal with them accordingly.

I also believe that they will be posting the rack card to the site with the other games they have posted as well...

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December 8th, 2013 at 8:41:29 PM permalink

Quote: mrsuit31
Thanks mission,

I understand what you mean with the bankroll amount but people can just refresh and get more chips anyway. Some people do choose to play as if they are actually at a low min table to see what would take place in real life... I'm not overly concerned with the chip amount. However at some point I may change over to the more modern looking demo format as is present on the Match 31 demo. When that happens ill probably change the bankroll amount if and when the time comes...

I understand some people choose to play that way, but then, some people don't choose to play that way. I apologize if I am hammering my point too hard, here, but I am just very concerned about this issue, and it shouldn't take much to change the BR, and if you do, the people who play limited bankroll can still play limited bankroll.

I'm just concerned because I see something here that can potentially turn off more than zero people, and you don't even have to refresh to get more chips, the demo asks you if you want them. My point is that $1,000 is just a number that's going to have a psychological impact on some people even if they know they wouldn't bet $100/hand in real life. It's just $1,000 can go poof in five hands, (the game allows you to play if you don't have enough for the raise, but have enough for the initial bet, otherwise it'd be as low as four hands) so say you have a minimum bettor of $5.00/hand, if they do the math, they then see that $50 can go poof in five hands, easily.

It's up to you, of course, and I really don't mean to harp on you, it's just that when you have a new product you have to do everything you can not to turn off a potential customer base. This is especially true when you need your game to show a better drop than whatever your game could be replaced with. Every potential player is important at this stage. Again, apologies for being so forceful with my opinion.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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December 8th, 2013 at 8:55:40 PM permalink

No worries Mission, I am not offended as you are just trying to help out.

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December 8th, 2013 at 10:01:31 PM permalink

GO GET'EM BRENT, EH !

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December 14th, 2013 at 4:41:29 PM permalink

Hopefully Roger got the Canadian hardware problem straightened out.

I have told Santa Claus that Brent is in Canada and to leave his presents with me.

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January 14th, 2014 at 11:20:18 AM permalink

As per the last update from the facility, Money$uit 31 is set to be installed with the progressive system this week and the game should be up and running next week...

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January 14th, 2014 at 11:22:37 AM permalink

You are nothing if not persistent, Brent. CONGRATULATIONS !

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January 14th, 2014 at 11:45:31 AM permalink

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You are nothing if not persistent, Brent. CONGRATULATIONS !

Thats what it takes sometimes, thanks Buzz!

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January 14th, 2014 at 1:00:42 PM permalink

That's what it takes all the time :-).......well done Brent, hope for positive variance on this trial!!

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January 15th, 2014 at 4:30:56 AM permalink

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As per the last update from the facility, Money$uit 31 is set to be installed with the progressive system this week and the game should be up and running next week...

Fantastic, Brent! Way to persevere! I hope it goes over huge for you.

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January 15th, 2014 at 9:12:36 AM permalink

I hope it takes off, it really is a great game!

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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January 15th, 2014 at 4:27:36 PM permalink

Quote: Mission146
I hope it takes off, it really is a great game!

Thanks guys! I will keep you all informed as we get going...

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January 15th, 2014 at 4:53:14 PM permalink

I am sure this has been asked already, but why is there a mandatory family pot bet at all? There's no house edge on it, right? And it complicated an already complicated new game, right?

Can you explain the rationale behind including it?

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January 15th, 2014 at 5:08:03 PM permalink

Also, this just happened in less than 10 minutes of demo play. I swear I have the best luck in demo games.

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January 15th, 2014 at 6:39:22 PM permalink

That's sick, SodaWater!

I've probably played that demo for 20+ hours and had the, "Family," get the Money$uit Mini-Royal twice, but I've never got it.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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January 20th, 2014 at 11:42:40 AM permalink

Quote: sodawater
I am sure this has been asked already, but why is there a mandatory family pot bet at all? There's no house edge on it, right? And it complicated an already complicated new game, right?

Can you explain the rationale behind including it?

Hi Soda,

Sorry for the Delayed response, I have been a little busy.

Correct, there is no house edge with the family pot. It is there as a courtesy pot for the players. However, it does tend to sway some players into making decisions, outside the optimal strategy for the base game, to take a shot at the pot in some situations. Therefore, theoretically it does create a benefit for the casino while at the same time many times players end up winning a hand they were supposed to fold/lose. Additionally, as most that have followed the development of my games since I started are now familiar with the original game 31 (also known as Scat, Tonk or Blitz) and how that game was played. Therefore, the family pot has a pretty large significance for those that already play and love the original game 31.

As far as complicating an already complicated game goes, in my experiences with training dealers to operate, it has only taken three or four hands to get dealers familiar and compliant with the procedures... Also, the game 31 is not very complicated at all. When you run into a family, group or friends, group of dealers in the break room or poker tournament players that play when they have been knocked out, you will find that the game/rules are already widespread. Young kids play the game with there families etc...

In my opinion the family pot is one of the most attractive aspects of the game. While, some have said that in the demo the family pot is slightly distracting try and imagine the game at a higher limit and think about the fun of having a $90 family pot at a $15 minimum table. Id say it creates just a bit of excitement that if you get hot for tree or four hand you could be up 600-800 without hitting any crazy large payouts on the base game...

I hope this gives you some sense of why i designed the game in this way.

That is awesome that you hit that hand! As mission said i don't know that many people that have hit that, even on the Draw like you. Although in Coachella at the Augustine casino, the first night one of my dealer friends from the fantasy springs came over to try out the game on her off-night and she drew to the mini-royal and one $350. It was pretty funny. to this day shes the only person to hit it in live play. I hope that changes in a few weeks up in Calagary!

Keep up the good work and let me know if anyone hits any other big hands.

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January 20th, 2014 at 3:03:12 PM permalink

Yeah, it definitely makes the family pot more appealing if the amount you put in is equal to your ante. On the demo it seems superfluous if I am betting $100 flat and $5 family. But in real life I am betting $25 and $25 it's significant.

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January 21st, 2014 at 10:20:40 AM permalink

Quote: sodawater
Yeah, it definitely makes the family pot more appealing if the amount you put in is equal to your ante. On the demo it seems superfluous if I am betting $100 flat and $5 family. But in real life I am betting $25 and $25 it's significant.

Of course... Its kind of hard to regulate what people do on a free demo as far as wagers go, even if i were to raise the bankroll as mission suggests and increase the table min bet, people would just end up doing the same thing with higher denomination wagers..

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February 8th, 2014 at 1:45:01 PM permalink

Where's the UPDATE !

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February 10th, 2014 at 9:52:52 AM permalink

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Where's the UPDATE !

The Hardware is at the facility and ready to be installed on Wednesday. If installation goes smoothly and no issues are present, the game is set to launch Friday. If any troubleshooting needs to take place then we will launch Monday... Ill keep you all posted.

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February 20th, 2014 at 1:31:14 PM permalink

Opening day in Calgary! Updates to follow...

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February 20th, 2014 at 1:35:15 PM permalink

Brent....................AWESOME!!!!!!

Give us an update after 30 days.....the first few days & weeks are meaningless......heck, even the first month can't really tell the story :-).

Hope it goes well and in mid May they have committed for the long term and the game is out of "trial" status. Best of luck my friend!!!

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February 20th, 2014 at 1:39:48 PM permalink

Well done Brent and 'Good Luck' with the install.

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February 20th, 2014 at 2:04:40 PM permalink

Good luck!

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February 20th, 2014 at 2:34:15 PM permalink

Wonderful news, Brent! They're lining up to play even now...good luck!

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February 20th, 2014 at 2:37:50 PM permalink

Hey, don't make me wait 30 days, Just let us know if players are attracted to it, have trouble with rules , etc. As I am prone to admit or Babs will call me on it, I thought your game sucked when you first explained it. Then when i saw it live at Focus Group 1, I apologized right on the spot.

See Babs, I can admit when I am wrong, despite your divorce affidavit to the contrary !

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February 20th, 2014 at 5:19:38 PM permalink

Thanks guys! I'll give everyone stats when the come availible...

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June 24th, 2015 at 3:06:06 PM permalink

I just wrote up a page on Money$uit 31. Please click the link. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and especially corrections.

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June 24th, 2015 at 3:41:19 PM permalink

Not sure any or all of these are just style or if they require edits, but here goes:

At the end of 4. I would add ".....for the hand." So the sentence reads: The suit from the suited die that matches the color on the Color die determines the applicable Money$uit for the hand."

On 7, should you make a point that the Natural 31 wager is also lost as the player would never not make a Play bet with a winning Natural 31 hand.

13, I would eliminate the first sentence of 13 and move the remaining sentence, with slight edits, to a new position between11 & 12.. So 12a., if you will, would read: "In the event the player has two suits resulting in the same number of points, and one of the suits matches the Money$uit, then the player will be paid based on the Money$uit hand value."

Do with these comments as you see fit :-).

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June 24th, 2015 at 4:14:35 PM permalink

Thanks for the comments.

Regarding 4, I think it is implied the roll of the dice applies per hand.

Regarding 7, I don't know for sure that it is.

Regarding 13, This was the hardest rule to explain. The way I envision the game is the player is paid according to his points and whether he matches the Money$uit -- so I wanted to address both in the same rule and not make separate rules that are worded almost the same way.

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June 24th, 2015 at 5:31:18 PM permalink

Rule 4: Not knowing the game in detail I am guessing each side of one die has two suit symbols such that one is red and one is black (e.g. sh sd hs dc ch cd) and each suit appears three times. A second die has three red and three black sides and is used to determine which of the two suit symbols is used.

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June 25th, 2015 at 6:28:39 AM permalink

Quote: Wizard
Thanks for the comments.

Regarding 4, I think it is implied the roll of the dice applies per hand.

fair enough.

Quote: Wizard
Regarding 7, I don't know for sure that it is.

There is no winning Natural 31 hand that would not also at least Push the main bet, so I would make some statement to the effect that both are lost otherwise a player would have made the play bet. On the demo, if you do fold a winning Natural 31 three card hand, you are still paid on the Natural 31 bet. You should have Brent clarify what the current dealing procedures are......I assume they simply collect both bets if you fold.

Quote: Wizard
Regarding 13, This was the hardest rule to explain. The way I envision the game is the player is paid according to his points and whether he matches the Money$uit -- so I wanted to address both in the same rule and not make separate rules that are worded almost the same way.

Your call on this one, but I think the current wording in 13. is awkward....it sounds like you get paid again on a Money$suit hand as the rule starts out "The player shall also be paid.....". Somewhere above it should say that the player is paid according to the Money$uit pay table if their highest value suited total is in that hands "Money$uit".

Also when looking at the pay tables, I would right justify the words Push & Loss so they more closely match the format of the "to one" pay figures below them.

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June 25th, 2015 at 8:52:54 AM permalink

Thank you for this Wiz.

To respond to the three points raised by paradigm.

For # 4, I agree with Wiz, I'm not sure that is necessary.

For #7, the procedure is to collect any folding hands as, as paradigm says there is very few situations that someone would fold with a 16 that would lose the main bet (not all 16s push on the base game, ante and play). That being said, I have left this one procedure up to the house when we install the game (so far we have folded all folding hands/wagers). Similar to some places that require you to play the hand in order to win the side wager on other games. According to basic strategy there is very few times when a player will have a natural 16, and have a "folding" hand. One example of this is where a player is dealt a non-M$ 16 (holding a non-M$ 7, 6 & 3), the player has a winning side bet (non-M$ 16) but currently has a losing hand for the base game. If the player were to draw/play, he would technically be playing a 13 against basic strategy. However, most people that Ive watched play and instructed against playing the hand, play anyway.

For #13, I leave that to your decision. It is slightly awkward but still gets the point across. Perhaps adding this extra sentence:

"The player shall also be paid according to whether the suit of his greatest number of points matches the Money$uit. If the player's hand matches the Money$uit, they will be paid according to the Money$uit paytable, otherwise the other suits will be paid according to the Non-Money$uit paytable. In the event the player has two suits resulting in the same number of points, and one matches the Money$uit, then the player will be deemed to have matched the Money$uit."

Again this is entirely up to you.

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