Buzzard's Dumb Questions
January 7th, 2013 at 12:44:19 PM
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As a math illiterate I am hoping someone is bored or likes a challenge. The answers may be obvious, but not to me.
5 players playing Basic, single deck, S17, no surrender, DAS. How many times in 1000 hands will the following occur ?
I player bust 2 players bust 3 players bust 4 players bust All 5 players bust
Hopefully that was the easier question
Counting a BJ as 21, how many times will players tie, on totals from 12 to 21 ?
And numbers of players involved in any tie ?
All I can offer as far as financials payment is a hardy handclasp and dinner in Vegas ! Wish it could be more.
5 players playing Basic, single deck, S17, no surrender, DAS. How many times in 1000 hands will the following occur ?
I player bust 2 players bust 3 players bust 4 players bust All 5 players bust
Hopefully that was the easier question
Counting a BJ as 21, how many times will players tie, on totals from 12 to 21 ?
And numbers of players involved in any tie ?
All I can offer as far as financials payment is a hardy handclasp and dinner in Vegas ! Wish it could be more.
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Nor give the heart
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The gem that filled it
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January 7th, 2013 at 1:04:59 PM
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I know I am dumb and this proves it. On the bust question, do not consider the player to have busted if he still has a live hand
after splitting and busting one or more hands.
Now I know I have no chance of figuring this out !
after splitting and busting one or more hands.
Now I know I have no chance of figuring this out !
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January 7th, 2013 at 1:22:42 PM
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not easy questions to answer methinks, Buzz
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January 7th, 2013 at 1:27:59 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitnot easy questions to answer methinks, Buzz
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January 7th, 2013 at 2:04:48 PM
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January 7th, 2013 at 2:07:25 PM
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Quote: sodawaterI can tell you that the players will tie on 12-16 0 times out of 1000.
Why?
Edit:
Player 1:9-5
Player 2:9-5
Player 3:8-6
Player 4:10-4
Player 5:10-4
Dealer:6
Who's going to hit their 14??
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January 7th, 2013 at 2:09:51 PM
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WHAT ??
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January 7th, 2013 at 2:59:37 PM
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I am so lost
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January 7th, 2013 at 3:04:46 PM
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Quote: BuzzardI am so lost
Between the mountain air and your advanced age, that's expected;-)
Honestly, I have no idea how to answer your questions, but I'm certain that the answers are positive non-zero numbers.
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January 7th, 2013 at 10:48:40 PM
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Trust me, I am just as dumb at sea level !
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January 8th, 2013 at 8:21:13 AM
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Evidently this is not an easy question Sigh
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January 8th, 2013 at 8:28:49 AM
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Quote: sodawaterI can tell you that the players will tie on 12-16 0 times out of 1000.
yeap. player may or may not hit those stiffs. the dealer will always hit those stiffs. end result= no push on 12-16's.
January 8th, 2013 at 8:29:20 AM
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You can only tie on hands where you reach 17-21. You can't tie where you stand on hands below 17, silly!!!
The question is hard because there's no WOO tables that show the odds of busting for single hand blackjack and take the effects of card removal. Therefore, you would have to figure out what the odds are of busting. I think these are readily calculable. When you add other players to the equation, you have to take card removal into account. Certainly if two players have 14 against a dealer 10, both will need to hit, but the odds of busting change considerably vs all of the other cards on the table. This is not easily calculable.
The question is hard because there's no WOO tables that show the odds of busting for single hand blackjack and take the effects of card removal. Therefore, you would have to figure out what the odds are of busting. I think these are readily calculable. When you add other players to the equation, you have to take card removal into account. Certainly if two players have 14 against a dealer 10, both will need to hit, but the odds of busting change considerably vs all of the other cards on the table. This is not easily calculable.
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January 8th, 2013 at 8:34:13 AM
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I am talking about ties among the players. They can easily tie and often do when the dealers shows a 2 thru 6.
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January 8th, 2013 at 8:35:34 AM
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I will settle for any Wild Ass Guesses at this point in time !
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January 8th, 2013 at 8:46:22 AM
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Say sim data shows a BS player busting 16% of the time.Quote: BuzzardAs a math illiterate I am hoping someone is bored or likes a challenge. The answers may be obvious, but not to me.
5 players playing Basic, single deck, S17, no surrender, DAS. How many times in 1000 hands will the following occur ?
I player bust 2 players bust 3 players bust 4 players bust All 5 players bust
Hopefully that was the easier question
You could just say .16^N or just a binomial distribution instead.
but this assumes independence between players at the same table.
I do not think this is true.
CVData does not have this available.
I have a BJ program that tracks player busts per hands and sessions but currently does not track per round the player bust distribution.
I just got the new WinCraps Pro Multi-Player version and am working with it.
Nice.
BJ does not seem that interesting to me at this moment in time.
My BJ program code would have to be changed and I have no interest in it at the moment.
The distribution would be interesting to see BTW, just IMO
The Wizard should really jump at this Q
He could quickly code it up for simulation, maybe even offer the code for $$$ or have JB write an app
and be the 1st to show the distribution
Otherwise, just use the kitchen table and deal the cards.
tabulate the results
I would watch that video
Good Luck!
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
January 8th, 2013 at 11:28:08 AM
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Maybe I will log onto math problems ?
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Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
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January 8th, 2013 at 1:16:11 PM
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No help there. GRRR getting frustrated.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
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January 8th, 2013 at 1:20:58 PM
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I don't think this could be solved analytically, or at least not very easily. It would be best to simulate a bunch of 1000-hand samples and tally the results.
It would definitely take more than a handshake and dinner for payment for virtually anyone on this forum, I'd think.
It would definitely take more than a handshake and dinner for payment for virtually anyone on this forum, I'd think.
January 8th, 2013 at 1:49:30 PM
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I understand that. But I was hoping for at least a WAG or something to the effect of how reliable a 1000 hand trial might be.
Lot of hands, but not sure it would have any real accuracy !
Lot of hands, but not sure it would have any real accuracy !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
