Hoppin’ Hotness™ Revised

two pay tables is just an option it doesmt have to be that way though to make bet different enough from others. Also, if two paytables are used it can be one paytable for the lo and one for hi, no matter what is rolled that resolves them or it can just be one paytable used. I am looking into math still and your question guido.

Lots of successful games have 2 pay tables. Like uh, uh.
Be right back, somebody is at the door.

I'll show the math for the outcomes when the comeout roll is a hard 6 (3,3)
Of the 36 posible rolls:
4 will result in a 7 out with no hits (1,6) (2,5) (5,2) (6,1)
2 will result in a 7 out with a hit (3,4) (4,3)
4 will result with the point being made with no hits (1,5) (2,4) (4,2) (5,1)
1 will result with the point being made with a hit (3,3)
8 will result be a non 7 out ,non point, with a hit (1,3) ( 2,3) (3,1) (3,2) (3,5) (3,6) (5,3) (6,3)
17 will result be a non 7 out ,non point, with no hits (Not listing tbese)

To suummerize: 3 rolls will end the side bet with a hit, 8 rolls will end the side bet without a hit, 8 will result with a hit and the side bet continuing, and we don't care about the other 17 rolls.

To get 0 hits, you must 7 out before getting any hits (including the 7 out), or make the point without getting any hits (including making the point)
We only care about the 19 rolls that affect the side bet. 8 of the result in no hits (4 for the 7 out and 4 for making the point), so the odds of getting 0 hits is 8/19 or 0.421052631578947

To get 1 hit, must either 7 out with a hit (2 ways) or make the point with a hit (1 way), before any of the other 16 rolls that count(3/19). Or you can get a hit with no 7 out or point being made(8/19) followed by the point being made with out a hit (4 ways) or a 7 out without a hit(4 ways) for a total of 8 ways. (8/19) * (8/19)
Total 1 hit: (3/19) + (8/19) * (8/19) = (121/361) or 0.33518005540166

To get 2 hits, you either need 2 non 7 out ,non point, with a hit followed by one of the 8 rolls will end the side bet without a hit. (8/19) * (8/19) * (8/19)
Or 1 non 7 out ,non point, with a hit followed by one of the 3 rolls will end the side bet with a hit. (8/19) * (3/19)
Total 2 hits (8/19) * (8/19) * (8/19) + (8/19) * (3/19) = 968/6859 or 0.141128444379647

The formula for the number of X hits is:
(8/19)^X *(8/19) + (8/19)^(X-1)*(3/19)

For 10 or more hits its:
(8/19)^9*(11/19)

Generic formuals of other come out rolls:
(A/D)^X *(B/D) + (A/D)^(X-1)*(C/D)

10 or more hits:
(A/D)^9*((A+C)/D)
A=side bet hit and continue
B=side bet non hit and end
C=side bet hit and end
D= A+B+c
X=hits

You just need to repeat this for the differant comeout roll possiblities.
Any questions, just ask.

Quote: buzzpaff

Lots of successful games have 2 pay tables. Like uh, uh.
Be right back, somebody is at the door.

Ladies and gentleman, give Buzz a round of applause. He will be here all week. He will be in Toledo, Ohio at Wisecrackers from the 23rd to the 25th and at Zany's from the 28th to the 30th. And don't forget to watch him on Leno next week.

Let It Ride has three paytables, Crazy poker has two paytables for different sidebets and WPT has two sidebets with different paytables.

Hey Guido,
Try this pay-table, it's easy for dealers to remember, 3-5 hits pays 5 to 1(first 3 pays), 6 hits is 15 to 1(sum of payouts of first 3 pays), 7 hits is 30 to 1(sum of first 4 pays); then 2 quarters, then 4 quarters and finally 10 quarters for 10 or more hits.


Mini-point made 3 to 5 times - 5 to 1
Mini-point made 6 times - 15 to 1
Mini-point made 7 times - 30 to 1
Mini-point made 8 times - 50 to 1
Mini-point made 9 times - 100 to 1
Mini-point made 10 or more times - 250 to 1

Hit Frequency 10.98%
House Advantage 10.99%

Bet limits $1-50 on each, because both bets can win top payout at same resolve, leading to a total top aggregate payout of $25,000.

" I have a couple investors looking at this now "

Has the lower price for recycled empty soda cans affected the investors ?

Quote: buzzpaff

" I have a couple investors looking at this now "

Has the lower price for recycled empty soda cans affected the investors ?

No, Buzz. They are looking into the legalities, right now... With their own Attorneys...

Well if the money doesn't show, AceCrAAckers might share some hints on actually pitching a game yourself to pit bosses.

And while I am having a lucid interval, prior to heading to Las Vegas, might I say GOOD LUCK !!!!

thanks buzz, will look into. good luck out there, play for that million at Caesars 3 card poker sidebet. if u win, u can b my investor.

If I win, we will put that game in my casino. Providing i can parlay a million into some real money playing craps.

better go to place with 100 times odds, separate note my shift manager just told me he likes the dice bets but has a couple questions... Could be moving towards getting them in for a trial...

Quote: guido111

I updated the wincraps file for any that want to use it to code this

Guido, do you have the link for the updated wincraps file?

Quote: allinriverking

Guido, do you have the link for the updated wincraps file?

The one I saw is

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/11116-hoppin-hotness-revised/9/#post178712

at the bottom
It looks like it matches the code he posted.

On second look, I see no pay table in the code.
Looks to be just for the hit distribution.
WinCraps is easy to code, one can just add a pay table into the auto-bet file

Quote: 7craps

The one I saw is

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/11116-hoppin-hotness-revised/9/#post178712

at the bottom
It looks like it matches the code he posted.

On second look, I see no pay table in the code.
Looks to be just for the hit distribution.
WinCraps is easy to code, one can just add a pay table into the auto-bet file

The only coding I have ever done was Font sizes, colors and style changes..

http://www.bettherake.com/Mini_Point_Bets_1.html

I see you included a pay table for the Mini-Points at your site

IMO, You should find someone (like JB) to code an easy Craps game
with your newest 2 bets to practice on and see how the bet works.
WinCraps is not easily set up to do this.
I can add your payable to the code when I get some time.


or at least an easier to see and read example

Example: Come-out roll is 8 easy (6, 2).
8 is the Main Point, 6 is the Hi Mini-Point and 2 is the Lo Mini-Point.

Next roll is 6 easy (4, 2) Lo Mini-Point receives a mark, Hi Mini-Point receives NO mark
next roll is 6 easy (4, 2) Lo Mini-Point receives a mark, Hi Mini-Point receives NO mark
next roll is 12 craps (6, 6) Hi Mini-Point receives a mark, Lo Mini-Point receives NO mark
next roll is 7-out (5, 2) Lo Mini-Point receives a mark. Hi Mini-Point receives NO mark

Because of the 7-out, the Main Point and Mini-Points are now resolved.
The Lo Mini-Point Bet wins 5 to 1, because the Lo Mini-Point was contained in three roll outcomes.
The Hi Mini-Point Bet loses, because the Hi Mini-Point was only contained in one roll outcome.




After looking back over your new and improved bets,
I like the idea if the Lo and Hi Minis are different and a double rolls, (1-1, 2-2, etc)
the count should increase by 2 instead of one.
Was this an option at one time? I do not recall.

As a player, I feel a bit cheated that I only had one mark added on a double instead of 2,
especially during a losing streak when these bets are not winning.

The math and pays would have to be adjusted,
but after playing this for some time on WinCraps,
this actually happens enough times where I complain
"Ah, damn, 6-6 rolled and I only get one mark added to my Hi-Mini

Get these bets on a table soon
Good Luck

Quote: 7craps

http://www.bettherake.com/Mini_Point_Bets_1.html

I see you included a pay table for the Mini-Points at your site

IMO, You should find someone (like JB) to code an easy Craps game
with your newest 2 bets to practice on and see how the bet works.
WinCraps is not easily set up to do this.
I can add your payable to the code when I get some time.


or at least an easier to see and read example

Example: Come-out roll is 8 easy (6, 2).
8 is the Main Point, 6 is the Hi Mini-Point and 2 is the Lo Mini-Point.

Next roll is 6 easy (4, 2) Lo Mini-Point receives a mark, Hi Mini-Point receives NO mark
next roll is 6 easy (4, 2) Lo Mini-Point receives a mark, Hi Mini-Point receives NO mark
next roll is 12 craps (6, 6) Hi Mini-Point receives a mark, Lo Mini-Point receives NO mark
next roll is 7-out (5, 2) Lo Mini-Point receives a mark. Hi Mini-Point receives NO mark

Because of the 7-out, the Main Point and Mini-Points are now resolved.
The Lo Mini-Point Bet wins 5 to 1, because the Lo Mini-Point was contained in three roll outcomes.
The Hi Mini-Point Bet loses, because the Hi Mini-Point was only contained in one roll outcome.

I tried to make it as short as possible, with giving as much detail as possible in my example. Will consider that and having a playable online version added.

Quote: 7craps

After looking back over your new and improved bets,
I like the idea if the Lo and Hi Minis are different and a double rolls, (1-1, 2-2, etc)
the count should increase by 2 instead of one.
Was this an option at one time? I do not recall.

It is an option, I left it out because of dice control players that can get one die to sometimes land as anticipated. That's why 2 of 6 combinations may add to the marks received, but those combinations will end the bet. I want to make sure there is no bad press by a house losing money on these bets especially in the beginning. Also, the hit frequency would be too high, and I would have to make the bets pay with 4 or more hits instead of 3. It can be added later.

Quote: 7craps

As a player, I feel a bit cheated that I only had one mark added on a double instead of 2,
especially during a losing streak when these bets are not winning.

The math and pays would have to be adjusted,
but after playing this for some time on WinCraps,
this actually happens enough times where I complain
"Ah, damn, 6-6 rolled and I only get one mark added to my Hi-Mini

Quote: 7craps

Get these bets on a table soon
Good Luck

Thank you, I have a Casino reviewing them now... I hope I will find out this week.

Quote: 7craps

http://www.bettherake.com/Mini_Point_Bets_1.html

Acckkk!!!! A 4.5 meg background image!

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Acckkk!!!! A 4.5 meg background image!

I talked to godaddy about why my page is loading too slow. they said they would check into it, now it makes sense.

Are we aloud to have posted the link?????? I know I'm not selling anything to the members.

Miplet, load speed is fixed(background changed)

7Craps, Edited example with line by line.

Thanks for comments and suggestions