Euchre Dice!!!

The Poker Dice would work. Simple game. Casino Euchre. The Dealer and each player would have four dice, a cup, and rolling area. The Dealer would also have a deck of cards. You could have a shoe and deal it to the bottom because it makes no difference.

In any event, the suit of the card would be trump. Every die would have its own suit. The die values would be as follows:

Right Bar: 6 Points
Left Bar: 5 Points
Trump Ace: 4 Points
Trump King: 3 Points
Trump Queen: 2 Point
Trump 9/10: 1 Point
Off Ace: 2 Points
Off King/Queen/Jack: 1 Point
Off Ten/Nine: 0 Points

The trump card could be revealed either before or after the dice are rolled. I would choose dealing it face down and revealing it after the dice have been rolled, there's more suspense, but nobody has any room to even remotely suspect a fix.

It would strictly be a luck game, so 0% HE and a 5% Commission on Player wins. The full 5% is due to how time-consuming the game is, there would also be some Pushes.

The player could Bank if he wanted to and the dealer would collect Commissions ONLY on that player's wins, so this should be done by the player whenever possible. The dealer would still play, but he would bet Table Minimum against the players hand. If the Table Minimum were $10, he'd put Two Reds out for show, but would pay $9.50.

Technically, a banking player helps out only the other players, because it prevents them from having to pay Commission when they win against the Banker. However, the Dealer would be instructed to advise players of same when it came time to offer them the bank. He would encourage all players to bank whenever possible. It would be a 0 HE bet for non-banking players.

Game Math: Immaterial. The dealer and all players are just as likely to lose as win. The HE is 5%.

SIDE BETS FORTHCOMING:

"Shoot the Moon Progressive $1"

"Eleven or Better Side Bet, w/Graduated Payouts."

Quote: Mission146

Game Math: Immaterial. The dealer and all players are just as likely to lose as win.

PaidgowDan is plotting his move now, should you succeed.

Maybe an Iowa casino will pick up the game [at least at one time Euchre was supposed to be big there]

Quote: Mission146

Simple game.

Simple? I have no clue what you're talking about.

So I Googled "Euchre Dice".

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Quote: Mission146

It would strictly be a luck game, so 0% HE and a 5% Commission on Player wins.
The full 5% is due to how time-consuming the game is, there would also be some Pushes.

Get rid of the vig.
That is so old school.

Even this photo is so old school

I keep the rest for myself

Make some push hands like EZ Baccarat or more hands that pay out less than true odds.

Players enjoy no commission type games more than always paying a commission.

Even the Asian Bac players say they hate to pay the commission and many do play the EZ Bac version.
Many others hate the no commission but will play the 1:2 payoff of certain hands in another Bac variant.

Difficult to please everyone.
But IMO, everyone does not like paying a commission on a win.

Good idea for a new thread. Include a poll.

Quote: 7craps

But IMO, everyone does not like paying a commission on a win.

Very true.

Take my wife for example. She doesn't play Pai Gow Poker, but came up with a name for it after watching me play: "That stupid game with the quarters."

7Craps,

1.) I'd have to do the Math on the game, but the first thing we could have happen is that the Dealer Wins Ties. If that alone results in a HE of 2.5-5%, then that will probably do. I don't know that sufficient rolls would result in ties. In fact, I have not even started doing game Math because the vig made it immaterial.

2.) I don't think that the player having to win by two points would be at all popular, so if the ties were not enough, you could have Player Hands that, "Do Not Qualify," and automatically lose for not having enough points. That would simply be a matter of doing the game math and determining the highest point total (including for the dealer) where the probability of both player having such point total AND dealer having such point total or lower is less than 5%.

3.) The third option would be a Three-Card Poker type game. The player could roll first and total up his points, then match an Ante bet with a Play bet. The dealer would roll last and COULD need a minimum hand to qualify. If the Player Plays and the dealer DNQ's, the player Pushes the Play and gets paid on the Ante. If the Player Plays, the Dealer Q's, and the Player wins, then even money on both. If the Player does not Play, he loses the bet.

What do you like best?

If the Dealer qualifies at a rate of 69.6% in Three-Card Poker, perhaps a similar qualification rate would be a good place to start for this game. I question whether or not to have the Player/Dealer tie should Push as they do in Three-Card, though. The reason that the Dealer make take ties in this game as opposed to that is because ties, obviously, will be more frequent.

However, if the base Ante/Push/Qualify Rules give the House the edge it needs already, then perhaps there could be a tie-breaker of which side has the best Trump die, since they will both have one. If there is no winner there, then ties may Push, we'll see.

I believe that I am inclined to go with the third option, as it gives players some control over the game, I want to see what others think, though.

"Shoot The Moon" Progressive!

There is only one way this can happen.

The dealer's card to determine suit must be an Ace. The player's dice must be: Left Bar, Right Bar, Ace, Ace

The odds of this happening are:

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 = 1/1296 * 4/52 = 0.00005935422602 or 1/0.00005935422602 = 1:16848

The base pay of this Progressive will be 14,000:1. The EV of which is .00005935422602 * 14,000 = $0.830959164392 per dollar bet.

$0.02 of every dollar bet will go the Progressive making the HE on the Progressive 1 - .850959164392 = 14.9040835608%

"Right Bar Side Bet

To win this side bet, you must have the Right Bar, the only guaranteed winning card in Euchre!

15-"Shoot The Moon"

Per the above, there's only one way to score fifteen and shoot the moon.

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 = 1/1296 * 4/52 = 0.00005935422602

Pays: 5,000:1

.00005935422602 * 5,000 = $0.2967711301 EV per dollar

15-Other

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 = 1/1296 * 48/52 = 0.00071225071225 or 1/0.00071225071225 = 1:1404

Pays: 300:1

.00071225071225 * 300 = $0.213675213675 EV per dollar

14

Right Bar, Left Bar, Off Ace, Off King/Queen/Jack

Right Bar, Left Bar, Off King/Queen/Jack, Off Ace

1/6 * 1/6 * 3/6 * 1/6 = 0.00231481481482 or 1/0.00231481481482 = 1:432 432/2 (Ways) 1:216

PAYS: 25:1

25 * 2 * 0.00231481481482 = $0.115740740741 EV per dollar

13

Right Bar, Left Bar, Off-Ace, Nine-Ten

Right Bar, Left Bar, Off J-K, Off J-K

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 = 0.00154320987654 or 1/0.00154320987654 = 1:648 648/2 (Ways) = 1:324

or

1/6 * 1/6 * 3/6 * 3/6 = 0.00694444444444 or 1/0.00694444444444 = 1:144 (Both dice must have J-K, so this is the only way)

(.00154320987654*2) + .00694444444444 = 0.01003086419752 or 1:99.69230769241566674556

PAYS 10:1

10 * 0.01003086419752 = $0.1003086419752 EV per dollar

12

Right Bar, Left Bar, J-K, 9-10

Right Bar, Ace, Ace, Ace

1/6 * 1/6 * 3/6 * 2/6 = 0.00462962962963 or 1/0.00462962962963 = 1:216 216/2(Ways) 1:108

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 = 0.00077160493827 or 1/0.00077160493827 = 1:1296

(00462962962963 * 2) + .00077160493827 = 0.01003086419753 or 1/0.01003086419753 = 1:99.69230769231628118343

PAYS 10:1

10 * .01003086419753 = $.1003086419753 EV per dollar

11

Right Bar, Left Bar, 9-10, 9-10

Right Bar, Ace, Ace, J-K

1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00308641975309 or 1/0.00308641975309 = 1:324 324/2 (Ways) = 1:162

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 3/6 = 0.00231481481482 or 1/0.00231481481482 = 1:432 432/2(Ways) = 1:216

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 = 0.00154320987654 or 1/0.00154320987654 = 1:648

(.00231481481482 * 2) + (.00308641975309 * 2) + (1/648) = 0.01234567901236320988 or 1/0.01234567901236320988 = 1:81

PAYS 8:1

8 * 1/81 = $0.09876543209877 EV per dollar

TOTAL EV: $0.92556980056537

HE on SB: 1 - .0.92556980056537 = 7.443019943463

The Game:

Betting:

The players have four betting areas:

1.) Ante

-This is the only Wager that the player must make in order to play the game.

-If the player chooses not to make the Play Wager, he forfeits the Ante Bet.

2.) Play

-If the player rolls the dice and thinks he has a good total, he would match the Ante bet by making a Play bet of an equal amount.

3.) "Right Bar Bet"

-This is a side bet in which the player must have the Right Bar AND a total of 11+ to win. The player may bet any amount of $1.00 or more.

Here is the PayTable:

"Shoot the Moon 15"- 5000:1
"Other 15"- 300:1
"14"-25:1
"13"-10:1
"12"-10:1
"11"-5:1

4.) "Shoot The Moon" Progressive

-This is a $1.00 bet with a Base Pay of 14,000:1

Procedure

The procedure for this game is simple. The players make the mandatory Ante Bet and Side/Progressive bet(s) if they so choose.

The dealer then removes a card from the shoe and places it in front of him, face down.

The dealer distributes dice to any players that do not already have them, along with a cup.

The dealer instructs the players to roll the dice, and then turns up the card after they do.

The players then total their dice and decide whether or not to make the Play Bet.

If any players make the play bet, the dealer rolls his dice and totals. Prior to rolling the dice the dealer announces the player totals verbally.

If the dealer qualifies and wins, he takes both bets. If he qualifies and loses, he pays both bets even money. If he fails to qualify, he pays the ante bet only.

HAND PROBABILITIES

The dealer and players each have four dice, so all hands are equally probable for both and one does not affect the other.

15:

1:1296 (See Above Post)

14:

6:1296 (1:216, see above post)

13 w/Right Bar:

13:1296 (1:99.7, see above post)

12 w/Right Bar:

13:1296 (1:99.7, see above post)

11: w/Right Bar

16:1296 (1:81 see above post)

10: w/Right Bar

Right Bar, + A, + A, + 9-10

Right Bar + A + J-K + J-K

1/6 * 1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 = 0.00154320987654 or 1/0.00154320987654 = 1:648 648/3 (Ways) = 1:216

1/6 * 1/6 * 3/6 * 3/6 = 0.00694444444444 or 1/0.00694444444444 = 1:144/2(Ways) = 1:72

1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 * 3/6 = 0.00462962962963 or 1/0.00462962962963 = 1:216/2(ways) = 1:108

1/72 + 1/108 + 1/216 = 0.02777777777778 or 1/0.02777777777778 = 1:36

36:1296

9: w/Right Bar

Right Bar, Ace, J-K, 9-10

Right Bar, J-K, J-K, J-K

1/6 * 1/6 * 3/6 * 2/6 = 0.00462962962963 or 1/0.00462962962963 = 1:216 216/2(Ways) 1:108

1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00308641975309 or 1/0.00308641975309 = 1:324

1/6 * 2/6 * 3/6 * 3/6 = 0.01388888888889 or 1/0.01388888888889 = 1:72

1/108 + 1/72 + 1/324 = 0.02623456790124 or 1/0.02623456790124 = 1:38.1176471

34:1296

8: w/Right Bar

Right Bar, Ace, 9-10, 9-10

Right Bar, J-K, J-K, 9-10

1/6 * 1/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00308641975309 or 1/0.00308641975309 = 1:324 324/3 (Ways) = 1:108

1/6 * 3/6 * 3/6 * 2/6 = 0.01388888888889 or 1/0.01388888888889 = 1:72/2 (Ways) = 1:36

1/6 * 3/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00925925925926 or 1/0.00925925925926 = 1:108

1/108 + 1/36 + 1/108 = 0.0462962962963 or 1/0.0462962962963 = 21.6

60:1296

7, w/Right Bar

Right Bar, J-K, 9-10, 9-10

1/6 * 3/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00925925925926 or 1/0.00925925925926 = 1:108 108/2(Ways) = 1:54

1/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00617283950617 or 1/0.00617283950617 = 1:162

1/162 + 1/54 = 0.02469135802469 or 1/0.02469135802469 = 1:40.5

32:1296

6, w/Right Bar

1/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 * 2/6 = 0.00617283950617 or 1/0.00617283950617 = 1:162

8:1296

PROOF

There should be 1296/6 = 216 combinations w/Right Bar, and I'm getting 219.

Fortunately, I know why, and it is fixable. I was counting the Left Bar Jack towards possible non Left-Bar Results, and it must not be included.

I have to Edit the previous post, then this one.

I made a couple of fixes, but I'm still not getting 216.

I'm going to come back to this again tomorrow. If I see, "/6," again in the next 12 hours, I'll likely be sick.

Quote: Mission146

It would strictly be a luck game, so 0% HE and a 5% Commission on Player wins.

Actually, an HE = 0 only means that the probability of the win and the odds paid on the win are exactly proportional. It has nothing to do with the "fairness" of the game. E.g. Craps is strictly luck and pays the Pass-Line even money, as if there were 990 ways to win against 990 ways to lose, when in reality there are only 976 ways to 1,004 ways, respectively, hence 28 more ways to lose in 1,980 bets than to win which the bank never compensates you for. But Craps is fair; the resulting 1.41% payout deficiency simply becomes the casino's average per-capita profit margin. This is normal and considered fair and reasonable.

Quote: Mission146

The full 5% is due to how time-consuming the game is....

The 5% commission exists in order to give the third-party-banking casino a reasonable profit margin on an otherwise 0-edge "street-banked" bet.