CET to charge locals for parking.

From their website:
For everyone, the first hour of self-parking at any Caesars Entertainment property is free. After an hour all guests, including Nevada residents, will pay for parking based on a fee schedule.
Still free for Platinum and above.

It's their right as feudal lords of the gambling plantation over the serfs and peons.

Well, when they claim Prima Noche, I'm getting my pitchfork out.

Anyways, it has always been a large loophole. They are trying to eliminate people by charging and using the players club system to reduce people in the garages. The story was people parked at certain casinos free to avoid paying at airports. This caused a shortage of spots, which by charging, caused the undesirables to park elsewhere, which caused a shortage anywhere which didn't charge. By allowing a locals exception, it ruined the whole story and plan, so they had to give in.

Caesars is a large company, has the power to snap their fingers without negative consequences. The root problem is market domination, power imbalances in society, it's just getting worse, most people don't see the problem in the first place.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Anyways, it has always been a large loophole. They are trying to eliminate people by charging and using the players club system to reduce people in the garages. The story was people parked at certain casinos free to avoid paying at airports. This caused a shortage of spots, which by charging, caused the undesirables to park elsewhere, which caused a shortage anywhere which didn't charge. By allowing a locals exception, it ruined the whole story and plan, so they had to give in.

Caesars is a large company, has the power to snap their fingers without negative consequences. The root problem is market domination, power imbalances in society, it's just getting worse, most people don't see the problem in the first place.

I'm not really buying into the "people parked at casino garages to avoid paying at airport". Makes no sense for people to do this, by and large. Even if it was/were happening, I can't imagine it having a big impact on the parking garages at casinos, since Las Vegas has a pretty small population AND the people that live here (IMO) likely don't travel much....it's not like NY, LA, Seattle, Houston/Austin/Dallas, etc. where there are lots of business people going on trips all the time....it's people who work minimum wage or minimum wage like jobs, who likely travel once a year for vacation, if that.

Whatever the reasons given its just another twist of the knife to bleed the wound a bit more.
Probably will help MGM a good deal.

For UX vultures it's time to add "looking for Platinum or above TR cards in machines" on their route

Quote: billryan

Well, when they claim Prima Noche, I'm getting my pitchfork out.

Sorry, but that entire Prima Noche concept is a myth created by historians trying to establish how bad life was in prior ages. No such laws or customs mentioned in contemporary sources.

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5cEvent:"Most people don't see the problem..." And you have superior understanding of these things that others don't see. Right.

(Deleted with permission of poster-Mission146) And, have you ever actually been to Las Vegas? At all, ever, so that you might have some idea where the airport and its access roads and passenger terminals are in relation to casino-resort parking garages?

As a (now mostly former) customer of some of those large high-end LV Strip places I greatly dislike the move to paid parking at the Strip resorts, and as an investor I think it is unwise in the long run. And I think in a few cases size has probably surpassed the benefits of any economies of scale, overdone for perhaps two of them, enough that market share and real market understanding may be a problem with a couple of the eight (or twelve depending how you count) companies operating in that resort corridor. But your childish narrative is simply insane, to the extent it is possible to find some nuggets of coherence in it at all.

For one thing none of their casinos is anywhere near easy access to McCarran Airport; someone setting out for a departure terminal at LAS schlepping their bags from the southernmost of the Caesars properties, from the mammoth Paris LV & Planet Hollywood garage, would most likely end up being re-hydrated through tubes in their arms in the hospital emergency room before they ever caught sight of the door... and I won't continue to go climbing down into the looney rabbit hole to swat at this batty stuff point by point.

But what a shame it is that there are no other casinos around Las Vegas that these folks could go to. And that they are not competent adults who can be responsible for making their own individual choices of where to go and what they choose to do with their very own money according to their own personal priorities. Nope, from reading a couple of posts above I've learned that they are really incompetent children and are chained to those places in leg-irons, and that there are not any similar places Las Vegans could go where they will be welcomed with copious amounts of free convenient parking. No, no such competent adults or other places involved, hence that whole feudal serf thing above.

Which is rather odd, since I just came from spending about seven hours altogether in two such places. And thought I'd be in several more before the week is out.

And when I drove home from the second one, after pulling out of my free parking spot attached to the large Orleans Casino/Hotel, and conveniently located within mere steps of my destination in the poker room, and within scant feet of the slots & yards of the pit table games and the race and sports book, it sure looked like there were still dozens and dozens of casinos on practically every other major streetcorner seeking my business in big neon lights for miles and miles all around the City and the Valley of Las Vegas, still operated by multiple different companies eagerly catering to both nearby residents as well as many drive-in visitors from other States. With large very ample amounts of free parking, among other things.

So, somebody better look into the enormous sinkhole or asteroid impact or flying saucer death ray that made all those places disappear just within the last several hours.

Are the garages always stupidly crowded, or was that just my experience in July? One night at Flaningo I had to do laps in the garage for 20 mins to find a spot. The stupid green light/red light system kept faking me out with motorcycles not triggering the sensor, and I nearly just drove my rental off the roof.

The policy change sucks, and its another sign that CET is getting stingier in 2018, but if demand for spots is really that high it makes sense that they would raise the price.

Either way, platinum is really not difficult to earn playing +EV. Or you can just get the TR visa.

The only lot I generally use center strip is the large outdoor lot behind the Ferris Wheel as my only Strip visits are to the Brooklyn Bowl. The switch to paid parking hasn't done a thing to alleviate overcrowding. On the other hand,
paid parking has made parking at MGM much easier.

No, I don't think that experience is typical, I've found most of them are more than adequate for the demand, even at peak times, and nowhere near filled most of the time, and I've rarely had any difficulty. With a few exceptions, one of them named Flamingo; that garage has always been truly awful, in multiple ways. Just speculating (guessing) but I don't think it was really built for that place as it is today.

Quote: gamerfreak

Are the garages always stupidly crowded, or was that just my experience in July? One night at Flaningo I had to do laps in the garage for 20 mins to find a spot. The stupid green light/red light system kept faking me out with motorcycles not triggering the sensor, and I nearly just drove my rental off the roof.

The policy change sucks, and its another sign that CET is getting stingier in 2018, but if demand for spots is really that high it makes sense that they would raise the price.

Either way, platinum is really not difficult to earn playing +EV. Or you can just get the TR visa.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Anyways, it has always been a large loophole. They are trying to eliminate people by charging and using the players club system to reduce people in the garages. The story was people parked at certain casinos free to avoid paying at airports. This caused a shortage of spots, which by charging, caused the undesirables to park elsewhere, which caused a shortage anywhere which didn't charge. By allowing a locals exception, it ruined the whole story and plan, so they had to give in.

Caesars is a large company, has the power to snap their fingers without negative consequences. The root problem is market domination, power imbalances in society, it's just getting worse, most people don't see the problem in the first place.

I do not agree to what you said. Personally I will not go to a casino charging me parking. There are a lot of other alternatives. Average Joe will go somewhere after he got charged the first time.

Speaking as someone who only goes to Vegas very sporadically for 2-4 days at a time, this doesn't bother me, and I wouldn't bat an eye if I had to pay for parking. I would have plenty of time to work it into my budget beforehand.

I can see how it would irritate locals, though, and it would probably dictate where I took my business.

Having said that, it's pretty easy to maintain platinum status with that Total Rewards Visa card, but who knows how long that deal will last. How long has that card even been around?

I'm thinking its been around for about ten years. It started with a different bank, but switched to Synchrony (sp?) about four years ago.

Quote: billryan

I'm thinking its been around for about ten years. It started with a different bank, but switched to Synchrony (sp?) about four years ago.

I had it when it was a Bank of America VISA card (where I happen to have some other accounts) and got rid of it (declined to accept the offer of a new account) when they changed to Vinny'sCreditOutfit or SopranoSyncapation or whatchacallit. Somewhere around ten-ish years ago sounds about right for when they first started begging me to take the BofA version of it, but I'm not sure exactly. It was definitely before their bankruptcy filing.