Question on Diamond Level from CZR Total Rewards
We luckily saw Todd Glass there. I sort of knew who he was prior to that, but he was really outstanding. Found out later that he's held in very high esteem by other comedians.
You can also see most of the performances at Brooklyn Bowl, if you like rock, rap, etc.
But they are free tickets! I'm just jealous that I live so far from anywhere that it's tough to cash in on anything. I'm pretty sure the Southern Baptist Convention is my primary adversary on this issue. Not ready to stand up to them yet, but I'm slowly assembling a crew.....Quote: WizardThanks. It would not surprise me if they are the cheapo shows that don't sell out anyway.
Quote: JohnnyQps: Don't forget that you should also be entitled to a $ 100 "welcome" dinner. You may have to ask them about that one.
Should be TWO $100 dinners ?
One before end of year and another after March or April of next year?
I don't know about that. It would sure be nice. I "assumed" it was a one-time thing.Quote: coilmanShould be TWO $100 dinners ?
One before end of year and another after March or April of next year?
Quote: JohnnyQI don't know about that. It would sure be nice. I "assumed" it was a one-time thing.
I think it is supposed to be a $100 dinner for 2015, and another dinner in 2016 because your Diamond status carries over. You might read this thread from the start, some well informed person or persons added some great content (wasn't me).
<edit> I got the 2015 dinner, haven't tried the 2016 one yet, didn't want to 'push' my luck ;-)
Cheers, 2F
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI think it is supposed to be a $100 dinner for 2015, and another dinner in 2016 because your Diamond status carries over. You might read this thread from the start, some well informed person or persons added some great content (wasn't me).
<edit> I got the 2015 dinner, haven't tried the 2016 one yet, didn't want to 'push' my luck ;-)
Cheers, 2F
Yes. Your Diamond Celebration dinner runs from Apr1 to Mar31, non overlapping, and you get 2 of them, one per year. If you re-earn Diamond, you don't get more than 1 each calendar year. Tried to use my 2015 dinner in late March, and they wouldn't give it until Apr1.
You need to earn 5000 tier points over 2 days to earn diamond. For 10:1 credit video poker, that's $50k coin in. Would that make the "theoretical" loss to earning diamond on 98.39% JoB is $805?
Jeff Civilco
Mac King
Penn and Teller
Legends in Concert
Divas
Jubilee
Improv
The list was 12 or 14 shows long and it has a lot of good acts. For instance we did Legends in Concert for our free tickets and ending up getting free tickets for Divas that are good until the end of 2017. Penn and Teller alone are 100 a person so definitely not cheap tickets. Granted it won't get you Brittany,Celine, or Elton John but I dont really like any of those acts. I think you could even get free high roller tickets if that floats your boat.
I bought my Diamond status with the Founders Card and contrary to what most people think about the room comps, I could have stay at any CET prop Sun-Thur for free last summer and even had access to suites options in the lower places like Ballys and Harrahs so the Diamond status does help. Next year I am staying in Laughlin for 2 days and flamingo for 5 days consecutively for free.
Quote: beachbumbabsYes. Your Diamond Celebration dinner runs from Apr1 to Mar31, non overlapping, and you get 2 of them, one per year. If you re-earn Diamond, you don't get more than 1 each calendar year. Tried to use my 2015 dinner in late March, and they wouldn't give it until Apr1.
wait.. so if I earned diamond on jan 2, 2015 and used the $100 Celebration dinner in mar 2015, then I'm eligible to get another one in jan 2016?
What this also means is that you can use your 2016 benefits starting February 1, 2016 instead of having to wait until April 1, 2016.
So if you have a 2016 annual dinner or annual gift, you can use it earlier.
Im using my 2015 7 Stars dining credit during NYE weekend, and theoretically I can go back to Vegas on February 1 to use my 2016 7 Stars dining credit. I also won't have to wait two extra months for the cheapie "gift" they give you. Last year, I took it to a pawn shop and got $60 for it.
Quote: gamerfreakI just learned that TR given 5000 tier credits for warning 2500 in a day. So you can break up the 5k diamond in a day requirement into 2 trips. I am thinking of giving it a shot next year.
You need to earn 5000 tier points over 2 days to earn diamond. For 10:1 credit video poker, that's $50k coin in. Would that make the "theoretical" loss to earning diamond on 98.39% JoB is $805?
you get better adt if you did DiaD in 1 day.
altho I only got $200 Return Rewards for doing it. ($50k coin-in in 1 day)
might be because I was actually up a few $ when I was done.
took me 8hrs in front of $2 denom single line 9/6 JoB.
for your 8/6 JoB:
$50k coin-in x 1.6% = $800 theo loss
Quote: AlanMendelsonI also won't have to wait two extra months for the cheapie "gift" they give you. Last year, I took it to a pawn shop and got $60 for it.
what was the gift? and why didn't you take the free slot play option?
I live right here and I rarely use that stuff. I don't think me or my GF used any of the free shows from Dimond level. We have seen most of the shows we wanted to under other offers.Quote: TwoFeathersATLBut they are free tickets! I'm just jealous that I live so far from anywhere that it's tough to cash in on anything. I'm pretty sure the Southern Baptist Convention is my primary adversary on this issue. Not ready to stand up to them yet, but I'm slowly assembling a crew.....
Well you see 'bad Leroy Brown', you have become overly comfortable perhaps with your proximity. You could show a little empathy for those of us stuck out here in the sticks.....;-)Quote: AxelWolfI live right here and I rarely use that stuff. I don't think me or my GF used any of the free shows from Dimond level. We have seen most of the shows we wanted to under other offers.
Quote: 100xOddsyou get better adt if you did DiaD in 1 day.
altho I only got $200 Return Rewards for doing it. ($50k coin-in in 1 day)
might be because I was actually up a few $ when I was done.
took me 8hrs in front of $2 denom single line 9/6 JoB.
for your 8/6 JoB:
$50k coin-in x 1.6% = $800 theo loss
Can you explain why the ADT would be any different splitting the DIAD session into 2 days?
Also, do the slots that advertise 97% still reward tier credits 5:1? If so it would help break up the monotony of an 8 hour VP session.
Quote: gamerfreakCan you explain why the ADT would be any different splitting the DIAD session into 2 days?
Also, do the slots that advertise 97% still reward tier credits 5:1? If so it would help break up the monotony of an 8 hour VP session.
Adt = average daily theo
50k in with 800 theo on 1 day gives adt of 800
50k in with 800 theo over 2 days gives adt of 400.
You are more valuable to a casino if you play more on 1 day opposed to half of that on 2 days. There are other factors as well but that's all I will get into.
Quote: GWAEYou are more valuable to a casino if you play more on 1 day opposed to half of that on 2 days. There are other factors as well but that's all I will get into.
So you're saying you'll get more comps dropping the same amount of coin over fewer trips?
I don't think it should matter for gaining diamond though, right? It's still 5k TC minimum no matter what.
Quote: gamerfreakSo you're saying you'll get more comps dropping the same amount of coin over fewer trips?
I don't think it should matter for gaining diamond though, right? It's still 5k TC minimum no matter what.
yes, you are correct on both.
you can do two 5k Tier credit runs on separate days.
but DiaD = more comps
Quote: 100xOddswhat was the gift? and why didn't you take the free slot play option?
I'm talking about the 7 Stars Annual Gift. There is no free play option.
What free play option are you talking about?
ie: $50k on 9/6 JOB has an expected loss of $230 (using proper strategy). But your theoretical would likely be in the $750 to $1.5k range...since the theo on the machine is likely in the 1.5-3.0% range.
Quote: 100xOddsyes, you are correct on both.
you can do two 5k Tier credit runs on separate days.
but DiaD = more comps
You are partially correct. Sometimes 1200 theo is equal to 1800 theo when it comes to comps.
But does anyone know if this means that you only need to earn 10k TC to reach diamond, or do you still need to earn all 15k?
The card rewards seem pretty lousy in general compared to a straight cash back card. The 5x RC for spending money on property seems like the only real benefit, considering the silly amounts I spend on rooms and food.
Quote: gamerfreakSigning up for a TR credit card puts you at Platinum status after spending some money (worthless, I know).
But does anyone know if this means that you only need to earn 10k TC to reach diamond, or do you still need to earn all 15k?
The card rewards seem pretty lousy in general compared to a straight cash back card. The 5x RC for spending money on property seems like the only real benefit, considering the silly amounts I spend on rooms and food.
I have one. It only give you "platinum status." There are no tier points to go with it. In other words they don't load 5000 tier points on for you. Platinum only gives small perks and no nice offers unless you play, and then you are rated and offered according to your play. If you want Diamond status, you still have to earn/buy 15K tier points.
And you get free nights with Diamond as a perk at any Caesars hotel in the world... And you get $100 celebration dinner... and 2 free show tickets per month. If you actually play for it you also get mailers/etc too. To me, if you want to be Diamond it's beyond worth getting.Quote: GWAEYou are better off getting the SPG cc and paying $400 for the foundeRS card if you really want diamond. At least that way you can get 6 to 8 free hotel rooms and still have your diamond and for $400
Quote: GWAEYou are better off getting the SPG cc and paying $400 for the foundeRS card if you really want diamond. At least that way you can get 6 to 8 free hotel rooms and still have your diamond and for $400
I've heard of founders card, but I thought you had to own a business to qualify. And I also don't understand how it relates to SWG?
I barely play and CET comps me for pretty much any weekday room in AC. What I'm trying to do is get weekends comp'd. Obviously I need to play more to do this, but so TC/R/levels make any difference with that, or is it all daily theoretical?
Summary: If you want diamond that bad, I seriously think it's a PLUS EV PLAY to just play for it. With a good VP game your EV is like -$400, but the mailers/dinner(s)/tickets/perks you get more than make up for that, in my opinion.
Quote: RomesYou could always just earn Diamond by playing 2 sessions where you get 2500 tier credits (5k bonus) if I'm remembering that correctly. That will help up your ADT a bit (not a ton because it's just a couple days) but your EV is not that bad if you can find 9/6 JoB or the 99% Deuces I've found at numerous properties.
Summary: If you want diamond that bad, I seriously think it's a PLUS EV PLAY to just play for it. With a good VP game your EV is like -$400, but the mailers/dinner(s)/tickets/perks you get more than make up for that, in my opinion.
The problem with the VP play is that, to my knowledge, the full pay machines in AC only give 1 TC per $20 or $50 coin in, as opposed to $10. In which case 8/6 has a better EV. Maybe I'm wrong about this?
Another play could be a slot that is advertised to have a 2% house edge (assuming their advertising is required to be accurate), but I'm assuming these reward less TC as well.
At the end of the day the variance could kill you on just a couple sessions. I'd rather stick to 8/5 JoB even where I KNOW the TC's, the variance, and my EV for the play. Even if it was $20 for 1 point on FP, so long as you're playing correctly, that has a POSITIVE expectation, unless you're referring to 9/6 JoB as "full pay," in which case I'd 'probably' agree with you that 9/5, 8/6, or 8/5 would probably be better (haven't done the math yet just my educated guess).
Quote: gamerfreakI've heard of founders card, but I thought you had to own a business to qualify. And I also don't understand how it relates to SWG?
I barely play and CET comps me for pretty much any weekday room in AC. What I'm trying to do is get weekends comp'd. Obviously I need to play more to do this, but so TC/R/levels make any difference with that, or is it all daily theoretical?
I have/had a founders card. You have to be an "entrepreneur" to get one. That might mean that you own your own business, but it's not needed. There's no screen or anything. I got the card last May, and I won't renew (hence the wording in the first sentence - not exactly sure when it expires).
I haven't used any of the "perks" except for the Diamond upgrade. I thought maybe the Sixt car rental perks or hotel discounts would work for me, but they're still higher than I could get with my company's discount and I'm allowed to use that for personal travel. If I didn't have my company's discounts to rely on, the Founder's card would probably have been a better fit for me.
I know there's a total rewards/Starwood tie-in now, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the Founders Club.
Also, I don't think there's necessarily a correlation between diamond status and room offers. There's a big correlation between ADT and room offers, and a lesser correlation between ADT and card status (depending on visit frequency). But the primary benefit of the card (for me, at least) is/was line jumping. Avoiding 50 person check-in lines at Harrah's AC and in Vegas all year last year was pretty swell.
Quote: RomesSlots are easier to earn TC's, but the mystery as you pointed out leaves too many questions we can't answer. How do we know which one's are 2%? How do we know they're actually set at 2%? How do we know those machines aren't set up to return tier credits at a poor rate? Supposedly it's $10 for 1 TC in VP and $5 for 1 TC in slots... but does that include the 2% HE slots? Are those top heavy for super high variance, etc, etc, etc?
I'm referring to the machines that advertise their return. I.E. the "98% payout" signs above the machines. I might have the % wrong, but I have definitely seen something like that in AC. I'm also fairly certain that machine that are below $5/TC for slots or $10/TC for VP are marked as such.
Quote: RomesAt the end of the day the variance could kill you on just a couple sessions. I'd rather stick to 8/5 JoB even where I KNOW the TC's, the variance, and my EV for the play. Even if it was $20 for 1 point on FP, so long as you're playing correctly, that has a POSITIVE expectation, unless you're referring to 9/6 JoB as "full pay," in which case I'd 'probably' agree with you that 9/5, 8/6, or 8/5 would probably be better (haven't done the math yet just my educated guess).
Yah, it seems to be $20 or $50 per credit for 9/6 according to this site:
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/caesars-atlantic-city
I need to do some more scouting and experimentation on my next trip.
Quote: gamerfreakI'm referring to the machines that advertise their return. I.E. the "98% payout" signs above the machines. I might have the % wrong, but I have definitely seen something like that in AC. I'm also fairly certain that machine that are below $5/TC for slots or $10/TC for VP are marked as such.
The machines are marked, but with stickers. Over time, us nervous fidgety gamblers may peel those off...
And replace them with triple point stickers.Quote: rdw4potusThe machines are marked, but with stickers. Over time, us nervous fidgety gamblers may peel those off...
Be careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.Quote: gamerfreakI'm referring to the machines that advertise their return. I.E. the "98% payout" signs above the machines. I might have the % wrong, but I have definitely seen something like that in AC. I'm also fairly certain that machine that are below $5/TC for slots or $10/TC for VP are marked as such...
...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.
Quote: gamerfreakI've heard of founders card, but I thought you had to own a business to qualify. And I also don't understand how it relates to SWG?
I barely play and CET comps me for pretty much any weekday room in AC. What I'm trying to do is get weekends comp'd. Obviously I need to play more to do this, but so TC/R/levels make any difference with that, or is it all daily theoretical?
I should have typed a better response. I was driving so it was tough. In your op it seemed like you were most interested in getting diamond and thought the credit card would be a pretty worthwhile way of doing it. I mentioned SPG credit card because the rewards are really good and you get enough sign up points to get 6 to 8 free nights if you spend them right. The TR cards sign up bonus and platinum are only valued at probably $500 and that's being generous. My SPG card is going to net me close to 2k in rewards.
So I suggested getting the better card and if it is diamond that you are after you could spend $400 which is less than the theo involved in getting to diamond on your own and there is no risk. Of course you won't get the mailers like you would with DIAD but if you do it on VP they won't be that good anyways.
With diamond you will get the annual dinner, show tickets each month and a bunch of other promos. Well worth the $400 for founders if you can take advantage of the perks.
Quote: RomesBe careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.
...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.
One particular casino still has the signs up and there are no games that are over 99. They removed those machines all together but the sign remains.
Quote: gamerfreakI was always under the impression that there were strict requirements on those sort of claims. That might just be Nevada though.
Someone actually has to bother to file an official complaint too.
"There is a 10 comp dollar (1,000 Reward Credits) per person per admission charge for Diamond cardholders who did not earn a least 25,000 tier credits last year (January 1 through December 31) or have not earned at least 25,000 tier credits since January 1 this year."
That is according to this website:
http://www.sevenstarsinsider.com/caesarsatlanticcity
I believe we might be referring to the same place if I remember your geographical location... If we are, they didn't get pulled, just moved to a difficult spot to find. If we are talking about the same place.... Check the machines literally closest to the poker room ;).Quote: GWAEQuote: RomesBe careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.
...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.
One particular casino still has the signs up and there are no games that are over 99. They removed those machines all together but the sign remains.
Do any casinos other than borgata do a Player Card upgrade/welcome slot dollars if you show them your diamond card?
i.e. https://www.theborgata.com/casino/my-borgata-rewards/black-label-trade-up
That would push the $400 price into the green pretty quickly.
Quote: Romesgamer, that's only for Atlantic City, in my experiences. Other properties both in and out of Las Vegas do not have a charge like that (at least the places I've been).
I believe we might be referring to the same place if I remember your geographical location... If we are, they didn't get pulled, just moved to a difficult spot to find. If we are talking about the same place.... Check the machines literally closest to the poker room ;).Quote: GWAEQuote: RomesBe careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.
...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.
One particular casino still has the signs up and there are no games that are over 99. They removed those machines all together but the sign remains.
I haven't played very much there at all lately so I never scouted to see if they moved the paytables so I guess my post was a little ignorant. For quite a while the signs were still over the old ones even though those machines had their pay tables changed. Thank you for the info, I will check out those machines if I go back down there any time soon.
Quote: gamerfreak1 more question...
Do any casinos other than borgata do a Player Card upgrade/welcome slot dollars if you show them your diamond card?
i.e. https://www.theborgata.com/casino/my-borgata-rewards/black-label-trade-up
That would push the $400 price into the green pretty quickly.
As Romes said there are quite a few places that will match tiers but not very many that will give you $100 like B does.
Quote: gamerfreak1 more question...
Do any casinos other than borgata do a Player Card upgrade/welcome slot dollars if you show them your diamond card?
i.e. https://www.theborgata.com/casino/my-borgata-rewards/black-label-trade-up
That would push the $400 price into the green pretty quickly.
Pm me for tier info - rather not post in open space
Quote: Romesgamer, that's only for Atlantic City, in my experiences. Other properties both in and out of Las Vegas do not have a charge like that (at least the places I've been).
So if I've used all my slot play, can I just hand them a $10 at the door?
Is the food decent enough to use the lounges for cheap meals?
Quote: gamerfreakSo if I've used all my slot play, can I just hand them a $10 at the door?
Is the food decent enough to use the lounges for cheap meals?
No cash accepted, RC only
Quote: GWAENo cash accepted, RC only
That's weird. You'd think real money would be more valuable than fake money.
Quote: gamerfreakThat's weird. You'd think real money would be more valuable than fake money.
They don't really want people paying to use it. They want people who have actually earned the entry to use it.
Quote: GWAEThey don't really want people paying to use it. They want people who have actually earned the entry to use it.
But only in AC....
