SanchoPanza
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January 18th, 2017 at 8:26:38 PM permalink
24. Boyd reserves the right to determined that anyone who is deemed in the sole and absolute discretion of the Boyd management to be an “advantage player,” to be ineligible to participate in the Promotion or Drawing, or to have his/her ability to participate in the Promotion or Drawing otherwise limited. Any such “advantage player” who is already a B Connected member prior to the commencement of the Promotion or Drawing may be notified by Boyd prior to the commencement of the Promotion or Drawing of any such ineligibility or limitation determination. Otherwise, any such “advantage player” will be notified by Boyd of any ineligibility or limitation determination as soon as possible after such determination is made. An “advantage player” is described as a skilled or knowledgeable player who will find legal ways to gain mathematical advantages while gambling. Latest version of Boyd "Rules"
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January 18th, 2017 at 8:55:25 PM permalink
Unfortunate, but well within their right to do so.
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January 18th, 2017 at 10:49:55 PM permalink
So if you play their 100.76% DW well enough, you could get refused a promotion opportunity?
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January 18th, 2017 at 11:01:32 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

24. Boyd reserves the right to determined that anyone who is deemed in the sole and absolute discretion of the Boyd management to be an “advantage player,” to be ineligible to participate in the Promotion or Drawing, or to have his/her ability to participate in the Promotion or Drawing otherwise limited. Any such “advantage player” who is already a B Connected member prior to the commencement of the Promotion or Drawing may be notified by Boyd prior to the commencement of the Promotion or Drawing of any such ineligibility or limitation determination. Otherwise, any such “advantage player” will be notified by Boyd of any ineligibility or limitation determination as soon as possible after such determination is made. An “advantage player” is described as a skilled or knowledgeable player who will find legal ways to gain mathematical advantages while gambling. Latest version of Boyd "Rules"

Broken link?
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January 19th, 2017 at 12:00:03 AM permalink
Fixed link Latest version of Boyd "Rules" .
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SanchoPanza
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January 19th, 2017 at 8:01:32 AM permalink
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Fixed link Latest version of Boyd "Rules" .

Thank you, Miplet. I appreciate your effort.
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January 19th, 2017 at 8:10:08 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So if you play their 100.76% DW well enough, you could get refused a promotion opportunity?



I would guess that even if you played that game poorly you would be designated as an AP if it is the only game you are playing regularly.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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January 19th, 2017 at 10:31:35 AM permalink
Smart of them to put it in writing. Now nobody can complain about it to them.
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January 19th, 2017 at 10:34:31 AM permalink
Advantage players can also be degenerates and compulsive gamblers.
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January 19th, 2017 at 12:04:32 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Advantage players can also be degenerates and compulsive gamblers.

Eh, not really... because then you're not really an Advantage Player. Maybe an opportunist, but a gambler first.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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January 19th, 2017 at 12:39:18 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So if you play their 100.76% DW well enough, you could get refused a promotion opportunity?



Fits the description exactly.
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:16:04 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So if you play their 100.76% DW well enough, you could get refused a promotion opportunity?



You could, but probably not. Those players earn so few points, mail, drawing entries, et cetera, that they d on those machines. When those players do end up winning some drawing, they'll just tell you "Congratulations." I think this is mostly for the people who somehow end up losing very little (or even winning) but end up with so many drawing tickets that they win multiple times for five figures. Eventually they'll be told they're no longer eligible. (perhaps even after they have their name called)
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:21:31 PM permalink
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24. Boyd reserves the right to determined that anyone who is deemed in the sole and absolute discretion of the Boyd management to be an “advantage player,” ...... An “advantage player” is described as ......



Most casino simply state promotion/incentives is off limit to people the casino don't like. I cannot see what benefit Boyd gains from publicly state in writing AP is one of the things they don't like?
It seems to me vagueness is good for the casino. Grouping AP with cheats, drunks, lunatics within the unwelcome-guest-basket is the smart way and the tradition.
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January 19th, 2017 at 6:55:32 PM permalink
That's really messed up. :/
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January 19th, 2017 at 7:00:32 PM permalink
Barona has the same thing written for their rules.
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January 19th, 2017 at 9:42:41 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Eh, not really... because then you're not really an Advantage Player. Maybe an opportunist, but a gambler first.

That's the point, they could kick you out before they know whom you are. Losers only is a wonderful marketing plan for the casino. I call it brain dead/full wallets only service. They should have a sign stating "you must be this dumb to play in the casino" like they have for height before getting on roller coasters.
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January 19th, 2017 at 10:05:56 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

That's the point, they could kick you out before they know whom you are. Losers only is a wonderful marketing plan for the casino. I call it brain dead/full wallets only service. They should have a sign stating "you must be this dumb to play in the casino" like they have for height before getting on roller coasters.



LOL. :D. What you said reminds me of a poster that said something like, "When you put in a $1 bet and only get .50, they still say "Win .50 when they really should say "Lose .50!" LOL. And it kind of goes hand in hand with my signature! ;)
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April 11th, 2017 at 2:42:29 PM permalink
Disclaimer - it's just an exchange of minds : )

Hello!
In the Baltics and around, if casino sees the gambler on the advantage, then the gambler mark special bans on the list of games... ... casino negatyve look its for the "seagull-player", "Sea-Gull" this who came for FREEBLES and play a minimum bet...
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April 11th, 2017 at 3:12:15 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

LOL. :D. What you said reminds me of a poster that said something like, "When you put in a $1 bet and only get .50, they still say "Win .50 when they really should say "Lose .50!" LOL. And it kind of goes hand in hand with my signature! ;)


I went to the cage at a place in MD to cash out around $700, the Cashier said "Congratulations!" We still laugh about it.
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April 11th, 2017 at 9:21:33 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

An “advantage player” is described as a skilled or knowledgeable player who will find legal ways to gain mathematical advantages while gambling.

Note: This doesn't state that an AP actually makes a profit (gross or net).

Most people who use some AP techniques either (a) lose (b) "break-even" (cover most living expenses).
....which is a good reason for casinos to allow AP techniques.

If all APs were highly profitable, casinos would be much more likely to ban all APs.

In real-life, BJ counters lose on sport parlays, slot bonus chasers have BJ/baccarat habits, poker players have VP habits, sports bettors play BJ, etc...
...what some might call "leaks".
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April 12th, 2017 at 4:35:47 AM permalink
Quote: mamat

Note: This doesn't state that an AP actually makes a profit (gross or net).

Most people who use some AP techniques either (a) lose (b) "break-even" (cover most living expenses).
....which is a good reason for casinos to allow AP techniques.

If all APs were highly profitable, casinos would be much more likely to ban all APs.

In real-life, BJ counters lose on sport parlays, slot bonus chasers have BJ/baccarat habits, poker players have VP habits, sports bettors play BJ, etc...
...what some might call "leaks".



Even if true that is not the way casinos see it. If u win money cc bj then lose it at craps that is s loss to their bottom line

To them its not "we got his money anyway" to them its "after playing legit one game he stole from us at another"

In their minds its like a grocery saying its okay for a customer to steal bread and toilet paper because they spend so much on other stuff. Thats not the way it works

And in casinos employees minds AP is stealing whether legal or not
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April 12th, 2017 at 9:36:09 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Even if true that is not the way casinos see it. If u win money cc bj then lose it at craps that is s loss to their bottom line

To them its not "we got his money anyway" to them its "after playing legit one game he stole from us at another"

A friend wins $3K-5K all the time counting cards at BJ, and never gets kicked out. He asked me why other people have such problems. I asked him how much he lost last year on the slots. He said -$60K.

There is sometimes a battle between surveillance/slots and slots/tables departments.

(1) Survelliance tries to get rid of anyone doing "hinky" stuff. Hey, we tracked this lady on six cameras & all she does is run around cashing out slot tickets.

(2) Slots/Tables has a bigger picture, and says don't kick out that lady cashing out slot tickets. She loses $20-200 every visit, and picks up tickets until she goes home. Her sister is a big player. Don't bother her..

Slots also may consider "player's equity" as marketing money, a way to increase overall revenue.

Getting rid of slot bonus hustlers is a game of "whack-a-mole". The one who replaces the one a casino kicks out may be worse, so a casino may be happy with one "resident hustler" who wipes our "players' equity", but returns 90% of it to the casino. Even better if they have someone who gets a disability check every month, gives that all to the casino & wipes our "players' equity", returning 100% of ti to the casino.

Don't touch that BJ counter. unless she's winning more than $10K. She loses a ton of money on baccarat.
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April 14th, 2017 at 3:47:25 AM permalink
Casino tracking of the adv gamblers analyzes their game, and evaluates their overall advantage.

If the advancer plays large bets Blackjack or Russian poker and is masked by small betting on roulette, the analytical department compares the theoretical advantage and makes a decision...
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June 6th, 2020 at 11:35:56 PM permalink
Anybody figure they use corrupt decks of cards and if you are the only one to show up at the table and play one spot for a couple hands you're OK because you lost every hand, but the moment you go to two spots they arrest you for cheating because you disturbed their corrupt deck against you?
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June 7th, 2020 at 7:28:49 AM permalink
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Anybody figure they use corrupt decks of cards and if you are the only one to show up at the table and play one spot for a couple hands you're OK because you lost every hand, but the moment you go to two spots they arrest you for cheating because you disturbed their corrupt deck against you?



http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/
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June 7th, 2020 at 7:32:07 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Anybody figure they use corrupt decks of cards and if you are the only one to show up at the table and play one spot for a couple hands you're OK because you lost every hand, but the moment you go to two spots they arrest you for cheating because you disturbed their corrupt deck against you?



How did the corrupt deck survive the player cutting the cards before the shoe ?
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June 7th, 2020 at 9:00:12 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Anybody figure they use corrupt decks of cards and if you are the only one to show up at the table and play one spot for a couple hands you're OK because you lost every hand, but the moment you go to two spots they arrest you for cheating because you disturbed their corrupt deck against you?

Can you please elaborate?

Is this something that you heard happened? Is this something you are thinking could happen? Are you writing a fiction conspiracy book? Do you have a friend that should be on medication who told you this happened?

Have you been talking to ZenKing? Doubtful, since I don't even think he's that far out there.
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June 7th, 2020 at 9:03:00 AM permalink
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