vulturing/sticking to Ultimate X machines

hi, I have a question for further clarification that I have already posed to my advantage gambler friends.

it is said the proper way to profit from Ultimate X is to find a machine with mutlipliers already on it, play it once at a credit amount that doesn't generate multipliers and leave.

what I want to know is... why is this favorable to betting the max and continually generating multipliers while hitting multipliers, until you run out of multipliers, or don't want to play anymore(you'd bet an amount that doesn't generate multipliers obv)

I am looking for an explanation of why, not simply which is preferable.

thanks

Quote: buttpirate

hi, I have a question for further clarification that I have already posed to my advantage gambler friends.

it is said the proper way to profit from Ultimate X is to find a machine with mutlipliers already on it, play it once at a credit amount that doesn't generate multipliers and leave.

what I want to know is... why is this favorable to betting the max and continually generating multipliers while hitting multipliers, until you run out of multipliers, or don't want to play anymore(you'd bet an amount that doesn't generate multipliers obv)

I am looking for an explanation of why, not simply which is preferable.

thanks

If you only play when others have created multipliers, you'll be exposed to the multiplier 100% of the time. If you keep playing, you'll be exposed to the multiplier less than 100% of the time. Since the multipliers can only help you, 100% exposure is better than less-than-100% exposure.

Sounds like a terrible way to have a fun time at the casino. One hand of Ultimate X at a time...

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Sounds like a terrible way to have a fun time at the casino. One hand of Ultimate X at a time...

Wait...fun?? Shit! I knew I was doing it wrong:-)

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If you only play when others have created multipliers, you'll be exposed to the multiplier 100% of the time. If you keep playing, you'll be exposed to the multiplier less than 100% of the time. Since the multipliers can only help you, 100% exposure is better than less-than-100% exposure.

thanks.

so, what is wrong with betting maximum, and continuing play only if more multipliers are generated? (if you sit on a machine with abandoned multipliers already)

Quote: buttpirate

thanks.

so, what is wrong with betting maximum, and continuing play only if more multipliers are generated? (if you sit on a machine with abandoned multipliers already)

Nothing. That might be the best available play. Move on when you get a hand with no multipliers (or when the multipliers on your machine are worse than on the neighboring machine). Basically, always play the best machine you can find - even if that means you have to move often.

If there are any multipliers, then the return is over 100%, so you should play off any multiplier by betting 5 credits per hand. Also, if you only bet 5 credits per hand, then you don't need to modify the standard strategy.

Vulturing Ult X is all about taking advantage of a previous player's oversight. There is nothing wrong with finding Ult X games left with multipliers and electing to immediately start max betting that machine. At least for the first hand that gives you an advantage over max betting an Ult X machine that has no multipliers to start.

If your intent is to play an Ult X machine full out at 10 coins per line then by all means, find one with abandoned mults and go for it. There is nothing 'wrong'
with that. The point is that by doing so you lose or lessen the greater than 100 percent advantage you had on the initial hand.

The bet 5 coins per line when you find abandoned Ult X mults and play just that single hand is assuming your primary goal is merely to take advantage of that single opportunity to make a video poker bet when the payback percentage favors the player (greater than 100%). Now I play Ult X full out on occasion too, but one of my favorite and most profitable casino moves to search out abandoned mults and play that one hand, 5 per line.

Tedious? Yep, and I only search out abandoned mults if I have time, which I don't always have.

Boring, only playing that single hand? Well, it depends on what you define as boring. I don't find winning money boring myself. My profits last year just from 5 coin vultures of Ult X were around $1000. That includes one hand on a nickle 5 line where someone had left this on deuces wild:

2X 2X 3X 0X 2X

Not great but something....

Well I was dealt this:

2 2 2 x y

Held the 2s of course and caught quad dueces on a 2X and the 3X line (4 of K on the other lines). Quick 5200 nickles ($260). That's a darn nice return for a single $1.25 bet.

I've had many other $100 one hand hits as well, several on the 3 line dollar Ult X (which can be somewhat nerve wracking as even though you are playing that single hand at a greater than 100% payback odds, its still a $15 bet). And yes, you do have fully losing hands, it happens more often than you would like.

If you are a full bore Ult X lover and always play the full 10 coin bets, it is to your advantage if you have the time and patience to start on a game with mults already waiting there. AND by all means, NEVER abandon a multiplier. If you are going to leave a machine, and your last hand created mults, play a final hand at 5 coins per line. Your wallet will thank you later. Or don't do that and leave your mults to me!

build a wheel poker is also vulturable. if someone leaves a slice, you can put money in and cash it out.

Just to keep the thoughts coming, what if you Vulture yourself? ie; play 10 coins then drop to 5 each time you have a multiplier, then repeat? All apposed to slamming 10 coins the whole time.

That math is above my pay grade, but I can tell you that when I'm down to my final play with mults left and go down to 5 coins for that final play, it seems that is when a 3ofK or Full house will get dealt to me. LOL!