9\5 Simple Strategy

I like to use The Wizards 9/6 simple strategy when playing video poker, but it doesn’t appear that there is a 9/5 Simple strategy, which sadly I now need. Does anyone know if there is 9/5 Simple strategy, if not would use of the 9/6 be okay to use, knowing that it might not be perfect?

You can make a 9/5 "simple" strategy from the strategy calculator on his page - just ignore the list of exceptions.

I just read the Wizards 9/6 strategy yesterday. I find the hierarchy of optimal hands very relevant for 9/5 strategy I've practiced, except some differences for flush draws, which will now have a lower EV. This results in some changes in hierarchy hand EV's, and results in a couple more "Never Play" hands list. E.G.
1. Never play a single big card with a suited 10, just select the single big card.
2. Never draw for a flush with two suited big cards and suited card lower than 8, always optimal to select the two suited big cards.

Just need to re-visit the calculator for flush draws (modifying the pay table to 5 for flush) to understand the differences from 9/6.

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I just read the Wizards 9/6 strategy yesterday. I find the hierarchy of optimal hands very relevant for 9/5 strategy I've practiced, except some differences for flush draws, which will now have a lower EV. This results in some changes in hierarchy hand EV's, and results in a couple more "Never Play" hands list. E.G.
1. Never play a single big card with a suited 10, just select the single big card.
2. Never draw for a flush with two suited big cards and suited card lower than 8, always optimal to select the two suited big cards.

Just need to re-visit the calculator for flush draws (modifying the pay table to 5 for flush) to understand the differences from 9/6.
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Number 1 is not correct. You do hold a suited j,q and k with a 10

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I just read the Wizards 9/6 strategy yesterday. I find the hierarchy of optimal hands very relevant for 9/5 strategy I've practiced, except some differences for flush draws, which will now have a lower EV. This results in some changes in hierarchy hand EV's, and results in a couple more "Never Play" hands list. E.G.
1. Never play a single big card with a suited 10, just select the single big card.
2. Never draw for a flush with two suited big cards and suited card lower than 8, always optimal to select the two suited big cards.

Just need to re-visit the calculator for flush draws (modifying the pay table to 5 for flush) to understand the differences from 9/6.
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Number 1 is not correct. You do hold a suited j,q and k with a 10
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I stated never to play (ie hold) a "single" big (ie high) card with a suited 10. It is always higher EV to just hold the single high card in this case (for 9/5 variation of JOB, as specified in this thread by the OP). In your example you refer to a case of 3 suited high cards with a 10, this is way further up the EV hierarchy!

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Quote: Frazzle

I just read the Wizards 9/6 strategy yesterday. I find the hierarchy of optimal hands very relevant for 9/5 strategy I've practiced, except some differences for flush draws, which will now have a lower EV. This results in some changes in hierarchy hand EV's, and results in a couple more "Never Play" hands list. E.G.
1. Never play a single big card with a suited 10, just select the single big card.
2. Never draw for a flush with two suited big cards and suited card lower than 8, always optimal to select the two suited big cards.

Just need to re-visit the calculator for flush draws (modifying the pay table to 5 for flush) to understand the differences from 9/6.
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Number 1 is not correct. You do hold a suited j,q and k with a 10
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I stated never to play (ie hold) a "single" big (ie high) card with a suited 10. It is always higher EV to just hold the single high card in this case (for 9/5 variation of JOB, as specified in this thread by the OP). In your example you refer to a case of 3 suited high cards with a 10, this is way further up the EV hierarchy!
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No I meant that you hold a j with a suited 10 and a queen with a suited 10 and a king with a suited 10. So in other words j10 , q10 and k10 suited are all correct holds for 9/5
Job. The k10 suited ican be affected by penalty cards

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Quote: Frazzle

I just read the Wizards 9/6 strategy yesterday. I find the hierarchy of optimal hands very relevant for 9/5 strategy I've practiced, except some differences for flush draws, which will now have a lower EV. This results in some changes in hierarchy hand EV's, and results in a couple more "Never Play" hands list. E.G.
1. Never play a single big card with a suited 10, just select the single big card.
2. Never draw for a flush with two suited big cards and suited card lower than 8, always optimal to select the two suited big cards.

Just need to re-visit the calculator for flush draws (modifying the pay table to 5 for flush) to understand the differences from 9/6.
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Number 1 is not correct. You do hold a suited j,q and k with a 10
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I stated never to play (ie hold) a "single" big (ie high) card with a suited 10. It is always higher EV to just hold the single high card in this case (for 9/5 variation of JOB, as specified in this thread by the OP). In your example you refer to a case of 3 suited high cards with a 10, this is way further up the EV hierarchy!
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No I meant that you hold a j with a suited 10 and a queen with a suited 10 and a king with a suited 10. So in other words j10 , q10 and k10 suited are all correct holds for 9/5
Job. The k10 suited ican be affected by penalty cards
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Hmmm, we are prob talking different bet size Hunter (for 9/5 job adjustment to the payout table). I don't know what bet you are using, but by two calculators I've checked, including Wizards, for the 9/5/4 job payout table, highest Expected Payout (ie, highest EV strategy) ie optimal strategy, for ONE credit played, would require you to hold only the high card, and not the suited 10 also. If you go to 5 credits, with the inflated Royal payout, I agree with what you're saying, but it's marginal, and your probability of hitting that Royal is so extremely low,, and such wild variance, I don't include it in my play strategy, when I'm chasing promotions, tier /reward credits, clearing bonuses etc erc. Given most Vegas casinos now only offer 9/5/4 on high limit machines, many people will not have the bank (or risk affinity) to play 5 credits to reach tier levels, clear bonuses etc. Ultimately It depends on the individual's bankroll, tolerance of huge variance, and no. of credits played that will determine their optimal selection in these instances.

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Ok fair enough but generally when one is speaking of proper basic strategy for video poker it is assumed that you play 5 credits. I always play max credits unless there’s a specific reason where I don’t want to hit a handpay.

Thanks, worked perfectly!

Not holding a J 10 suited on Jack's or better just feels dirty.

Whatever the case, I just hope one is playing video poker with a significant enough edge where mistakes are almost meaningless, and speed is everything.

9/6 and 9/5 jacks strategy differs by 0.01%. Not much for non-advantage play. I will usually refer to my 8/5 bonus strategy for 9/5 jacks, which is a separate section on my strategy chart. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/video-poker/25990-cost-of-using-the-wrong-strategy-in-video-poker/