How to Calc this VP progressive?
January 21st, 2024 at 9:44:33 AM
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(Quads is $50)
it's an old 1996 Pots of Gold machine.
Results are random and not pull tab (but i wonder about that):
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/americas/36415-st-thomas-st-john/#post909329
Lets say the progressive is $900.
Using the Wiz's VP analyzer, I get 193% return if using 5 coins.
And .39% return if using 1 coin.
What is the return and how to use Wiz's analyzer to calc it?
As to why i wonder if it's random or not:
I played around 500 hands total on multiple machines and missed every open ended straight draw and every 4 card flush draw.
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Changed to how using Wiz's analyzer to calc it?
it's an old 1996 Pots of Gold machine.
Results are random and not pull tab (but i wonder about that):
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/americas/36415-st-thomas-st-john/#post909329
Lets say the progressive is $900.
Using the Wiz's VP analyzer, I get 193% return if using 5 coins.
And .39% return if using 1 coin.
What is the return and how to use Wiz's analyzer to calc it?
As to why i wonder if it's random or not:
I played around 500 hands total on multiple machines and missed every open ended straight draw and every 4 card flush draw.
Edit:
Changed to how using Wiz's analyzer to calc it?
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Jan 21, 2024
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
January 21st, 2024 at 9:48:39 AM
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Did you notice that in that picture it appears to be a $2 credit so the paytable is 1/2/3/4/5/8/25/50
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 21st, 2024 at 9:54:57 AM
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Quote: DRichDid you notice that in that picture it appears to be a $2 credit so the paytable is 1/2/3/4/5/8/25/50
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Ahh.. so 8/5 Job with a nerfed Royal. :(
Instead of the standard $4000 royal, it's paying much less
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
January 21st, 2024 at 10:23:44 AM
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Quote: 100xOdds(Quads is $50)
Lets say the progressive is $900.
Using the Wiz's VP analyzer, I get 193% return if using 5 coins.
And .39% return if using 1 coin.
What is the return and how to calc it?
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How to calculate it is a rather long story, and the method has been posted to this forum at least once over the years. I will see if I can find a detailed description.
Here is the "quick version":
There are 2,598,960 possible deals. (Actually, there are only 134,459 you need to calculate - for example, in the picture of four 4s and a 7, the 7 can be any of the four suits, so four of the 2,598,960 hands are the same.)
For each one, first you calculate what it is worth if you keep all 5 cards, then, for each of the 31 ways you can discard one or more cards, you go through every possible draw (for example, if you discard one card, there are 47 cards left in the deck, so there are 47 possible draws; if you draw 2, there are 1081; if you draw all 5, there are 1,533,939), determine what each one pays off, and take the average. Whatever draw, including "draw none," has the highest average, is what you do, and its average value is the expected return for that hand.
Since each of the 2,598,960 deals is equally likely, the average of the 2,598,960 expected returns divided by the initial bet and multiplied by 100% is the total return value.
