Joker Poker - Jacks or Better

What would the expected return be for Joker Poker (18-7-5) if it pushed on Jacks or better instead of Kings or better?

Quote: EarlyBird

What would the expected return be for Joker Poker (18-7-5) if it pushed on Jacks or better instead of Kings or better?

I don't have a program that'll do that. but I assume it's around 110% give or take a few percent. At that point it doesn't really matter, you would absolutely crush this in no time at all.

I keep hearing a rumor that somehow this game is actually around, It's always, well... I know a guy that knows a guy. I heard somebody wanted a significant amount of money up front for the information, but whenever I ask for a picture nobody can produce one, uh... Yeah, sorry, that's not going to happen.

I've seen stranger things happen, so who knows? But, I'm not paying money upfront in this particular situation. I would be highly skeptical as to why in God's Earth would somebody sell that instead of just playing it? I don't think I'd trust anybody that couldn't borrow $200 from somebody play it for themselves. Even then, they could just find a trustworthy Advantage player the play the machine and just split the profits with them without ever investing a dime themselves.

Situation would just strike me as odd and I would find it very hard to believe whatever excuses they came up with why they needed money now and upfront. Even if somebody and led me to the game and I seen it for my own eyes, I still wouldn't pay very much money up front, it would have to be some kind of free roll deal for them. And not because it wouldn't be really valuable, I would just think there was something suspicious going on at this point.

P.S. Even a ploppy would beat the game, I understand if it's on a multi game it might not get played all that often.

Quote: EarlyBird

What would the expected return be for Joker Poker (18-7-5) if it pushed on Jacks or better instead of Kings or better?

For a Jacks or Better Joker Poker game with pay table 800-200-100-50-18-7-5-3-1-1, I believe the EV is 107.46%. Kings or Better is 98.94%

If the Royal pays 940, the two numbers are 107.83% versus 99.29%.

Quote: AxelWolf

I don't have a program that'll do that. but I assume it's around 110% give or take a few percent. At that point it doesn't really matter, you would absolutely crush this in no time at all.

I keep hearing a rumor that somehow this game is actually around, It's always, well... I know a guy that knows a guy. I heard somebody wanted a significant amount of money up front for the information, but whenever I ask for a picture nobody can produce one, uh... Yeah, sorry, that's not going to happen.

I've seen stranger things happen, so who knows? But, I'm not paying money upfront in this particular situation. I would be highly skeptical as to why in God's Earth would somebody sell that instead of just playing it? I don't think I'd trust anybody that couldn't borrow $200 from somebody play it for themselves. Even then, they could just find a trustworthy Advantage player the play the machine and just split the profits with them without ever investing a dime themselves.

Situation would just strike me as odd and I would find it very hard to believe whatever excuses they came up with why they needed money now and upfront. Even if somebody and led me to the game and I seen it for my own eyes, I still wouldn't pay very much money up front, it would have to be some kind of free roll deal for them. And not because it wouldn't be really valuable, I would just think there was something suspicious going on at this point.

P.S. Even a ploppy would beat the game, I understand if it's on a multi game it might not get played all that often.

And if it's some foreign looking machine, I wouldn't assume it's dealt from a standard deck either.

Quote: GaryJKoehler

For a Jacks or Better Joker Poker game with pay table 800-200-100-50-18-7-5-3-1-1, I believe the EV is 107.46%. Kings or Better is 98.94%

If the Royal pays 940, the two numbers are 107.83% versus 99.29%.

Did you run that on a program? If so, can we get a screenshot please?

If you know where this game is (was? might be gone now) for the love of God please don't tell anyone here or post it. Would be ruined in a day.

I now know what I wanted to know and don't intend to provide any details. Sounds like if one were to find such a payscale, learning the strategy would not be critical as the return would be high. In fact, it might be wise to avoid some hand pays so as to not draw attention. I'll keep that in mind should I ever find such a payscale.

Quote: EarlyBird

I now know what I wanted to know and don't intend to provide any details. Sounds like if one were to find such a payscale, learning the strategy would not be critical as the return would be high. In fact, it might be wise to avoid some hand pays so as to not draw attention. I'll keep that in mind should I ever find such a payscale.

If you ever find such a paytable you could play it at 4 credits and it would still be like 104% with no handpays at the dollar credit level.

On the East Coast, a lot of bars have Joker Poker machines called Broadway Poker, which has great payables and push on Jacks or better. However, the paytables on these machines do not reflect the expected return. I've seen many a person think they were playing positive machines not realizing the house hold can be over 30%

Quote: AxelWolf

Did you run that on a program? If so, can we get a screenshot please?

I used PlayPerfect Pro+

Quote: EarlyBird

I now know what I wanted to know and don't intend to provide any details. Sounds like if one were to find such a payscale, learning the strategy would not be critical as the return would be high. In fact, it might be wise to avoid some hand pays so as to not draw attention. I'll keep that in mind should I ever find such a payscale.

I would also make sure you were playing in a jurisdiction where VP is mandated to be dealt from a standard poker deck with each card being equally likely.

As far as strategy, I would assume high card holds act like Jacks or Better.

Quote: AxelWolf

I keep hearing a rumor that somehow this game is actually around, It's always, well... I know a guy that knows a guy. I heard somebody wanted a significant amount of money up front for the information, but whenever I ask for a picture nobody can produce one, uh... Yeah, sorry, that's not going to happen.

I've seen stranger things happen, so who knows? But, I'm not paying money upfront in this particular situation. I would be highly skeptical as to why in God's Earth would somebody sell that instead of just playing it? I don't think I'd trust anybody that couldn't borrow $200 from somebody play it for themselves. Even then, they could just find a trustworthy Advantage player the play the machine and just split the profits with them without ever investing a dime themselves.

Situation would just strike me as odd and I would find it very hard to believe whatever excuses they came up with why they needed money now and upfront. Even if somebody and led me to the game and I seen it for my own eyes, I still wouldn't pay very much money up front, it would have to be some kind of free roll deal for them. And not because it wouldn't be really valuable, I would just think there was something suspicious going on at this point.

P.S. Even a ploppy would beat the game, I understand if it's on a multi game it might not get played all that often.

I can confirm it was real for about 6 weeks, and the game has been removed.

Quote: AnneNiemous

I can confirm it was real for about 6 weeks, and the game has been removed.

Willing to disclose the casino? Or at least the general area? Machine brand?

Because the way IGT does things, I think it would be unlikely to happen. Maybe it was an Aristocrat bartop. Hahaha

Quote: tringlomane

Willing to disclose the casino? Or at least the general area? Machine brand?

Because the way IGT does things, I think it would be unlikely to happen. Maybe it was an Aristocrat bartop. Hahaha

I'm not sure its my place to disclose the name of the casino or state, but I'll say that its in the Midwest, and not terribly far away from you. I just came here to say that I witnessed it in action and can confirm the rumor Axel heard was true.

Quote: AnneNiemous

I'm not sure its my place to disclose the name of the casino or state, but I'll say that its in the Midwest, and not terribly far away from you. I just came here to say that I witnessed it in action and can confirm the rumor Axel heard was true.

So this is a class 3 machine? Is it IGT because I find it odd that they would make such a big mistake. And what denomination? Hopefully we'll see a legitimate picture at some point in the future. So this is actually a pay table and not a situation where the pay table says one thing but the machine is actually paying another?

I have sing some juicy looking pay tables at first glance only two realize it takes an extra corn what's some nonsense like that. There's a six claim Deuces Wild game out there that looks really juicy Until you realize it takes an extra credit to enjoy the juicy payouts.

Anyways anyways, that's kind of interesting because I heard there was one on the West Coast.

Quote: AxelWolf

So this is a class 3 machine?

Yes.

Quote: AxelWolf

Is it IGT because I find it odd that they would make such a big mistake.

Yes

Quote: AxelWolf

And what denomination?

$2

Quote: AxelWolf

Hopefully we'll see a legitimate picture at some point in the future. So this is actually a pay table and not a situation where the pay table says one thing but the machine is actually paying another?

I can confirm it pays as it says, I was just as skeptic as you.

Quote: AxelWolf

I have sing some juicy looking pay tables at first glance only two realize it takes an extra corn what's some nonsense like that. There's a six claim Deuces Wild game out there that looks really juicy Until you realize it takes an extra credit to enjoy the juicy payouts.

Anyways anyways, that's kind of interesting because I heard there was one on the West Coast.

Its not the west coast, but its possible one can be out there.