EarlyBird
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June 7th, 2020 at 8:05:42 AM permalink
What would the expected return be for Joker Poker (18-7-5) if it pushed on Jacks or better instead of Kings or better?
AxelWolf
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June 7th, 2020 at 8:41:14 AM permalink
Quote: EarlyBird

What would the expected return be for Joker Poker (18-7-5) if it pushed on Jacks or better instead of Kings or better?

I don't have a program that'll do that. but I assume it's around 110% give or take a few percent. At that point it doesn't really matter, you would absolutely crush this in no time at all.

I keep hearing a rumor that somehow this game is actually around, It's always, well... I know a guy that knows a guy. I heard somebody wanted a significant amount of money up front for the information, but whenever I ask for a picture nobody can produce one, uh... Yeah, sorry, that's not going to happen.

I've seen stranger things happen, so who knows? But, I'm not paying money upfront in this particular situation. I would be highly skeptical as to why in God's Earth would somebody sell that instead of just playing it? I don't think I'd trust anybody that couldn't borrow $200 from somebody play it for themselves. Even then, they could just find a trustworthy Advantage player the play the machine and just split the profits with them without ever investing a dime themselves.

Situation would just strike me as odd and I would find it very hard to believe whatever excuses they came up with why they needed money now and upfront. Even if somebody and led me to the game and I seen it for my own eyes, I still wouldn't pay very much money up front, it would have to be some kind of free roll deal for them. And not because it wouldn't be really valuable, I would just think there was something suspicious going on at this point.

P.S. Even a ploppy would beat the game, I understand if it's on a multi game it might not get played all that often.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
GaryJKoehler
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June 7th, 2020 at 9:10:28 AM permalink
Quote: EarlyBird

What would the expected return be for Joker Poker (18-7-5) if it pushed on Jacks or better instead of Kings or better?


For a Jacks or Better Joker Poker game with pay table 800-200-100-50-18-7-5-3-1-1, I believe the EV is 107.46%. Kings or Better is 98.94%

If the Royal pays 940, the two numbers are 107.83% versus 99.29%.
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June 7th, 2020 at 9:10:56 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't have a program that'll do that. but I assume it's around 110% give or take a few percent. At that point it doesn't really matter, you would absolutely crush this in no time at all.

I keep hearing a rumor that somehow this game is actually around, It's always, well... I know a guy that knows a guy. I heard somebody wanted a significant amount of money up front for the information, but whenever I ask for a picture nobody can produce one, uh... Yeah, sorry, that's not going to happen.

I've seen stranger things happen, so who knows? But, I'm not paying money upfront in this particular situation. I would be highly skeptical as to why in God's Earth would somebody sell that instead of just playing it? I don't think I'd trust anybody that couldn't borrow $200 from somebody play it for themselves. Even then, they could just find a trustworthy Advantage player the play the machine and just split the profits with them without ever investing a dime themselves.

Situation would just strike me as odd and I would find it very hard to believe whatever excuses they came up with why they needed money now and upfront. Even if somebody and led me to the game and I seen it for my own eyes, I still wouldn't pay very much money up front, it would have to be some kind of free roll deal for them. And not because it wouldn't be really valuable, I would just think there was something suspicious going on at this point.

P.S. Even a ploppy would beat the game, I understand if it's on a multi game it might not get played all that often.



And if it's some foreign looking machine, I wouldn't assume it's dealt from a standard deck either.
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June 7th, 2020 at 9:13:33 AM permalink
Quote: GaryJKoehler

For a Jacks or Better Joker Poker game with pay table 800-200-100-50-18-7-5-3-1-1, I believe the EV is 107.46%. Kings or Better is 98.94%

If the Royal pays 940, the two numbers are 107.83% versus 99.29%.

Did you run that on a program? If so, can we get a screenshot please?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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June 7th, 2020 at 11:34:34 AM permalink
If you know where this game is (was? might be gone now) for the love of God please don't tell anyone here or post it. Would be ruined in a day.
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June 7th, 2020 at 11:48:40 AM permalink
I now know what I wanted to know and don't intend to provide any details. Sounds like if one were to find such a payscale, learning the strategy would not be critical as the return would be high. In fact, it might be wise to avoid some hand pays so as to not draw attention. I'll keep that in mind should I ever find such a payscale.
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June 7th, 2020 at 12:05:59 PM permalink
Quote: EarlyBird

I now know what I wanted to know and don't intend to provide any details. Sounds like if one were to find such a payscale, learning the strategy would not be critical as the return would be high. In fact, it might be wise to avoid some hand pays so as to not draw attention. I'll keep that in mind should I ever find such a payscale.



If you ever find such a paytable you could play it at 4 credits and it would still be like 104% with no handpays at the dollar credit level.
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June 7th, 2020 at 12:23:18 PM permalink
On the East Coast, a lot of bars have Joker Poker machines called Broadway Poker, which has great payables and push on Jacks or better. However, the paytables on these machines do not reflect the expected return. I've seen many a person think they were playing positive machines not realizing the house hold can be over 30%
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June 7th, 2020 at 12:28:27 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Did you run that on a program? If so, can we get a screenshot please?


I used PlayPerfect Pro+


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