Machines tighter, looser or same?
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Quote: Gabes22I honestly do not think people could have possibly played a large enough sample size to know
Not gonna know until monthly reports, and even then, that still varies from month to month.
How can there be a demand to waste money people don't have in a recession? There is less demand. Not all butts in the seats are equal.Quote: BedWetterBetterNot sure about Vegas, but the regular players at Mohegan Sun are saying they've tightened up. But when the demand is so high after 3 months of inactivity, what else would you expect from a reservation gaming entity?
Quote: BedWetterBetterNot sure about Vegas, but the regular players at Mohegan Sun are saying they've tightened up.
Did they have any comments on quantum particle theory? Or did they limit the topics they know nothing about to Mohegan's slot holds?
Quote: DRichI would be very surprised if casions changed their hold percentages. I would expect them to be the same as before.
If I was Mr. Casino Executive, if I believed that the pent up demand would keep my machines at capacity, especially since capacity will be severely limited, I would definitely increase the hold percentage, at least temporarily. Once I started seeing a few empty machines, after the initial opening, I would go back to whatever hold I used to have to keep my machines a humming. But as a profit making entity, why wouldn't they adjust the holds? Are they just stupid? Or just don't want to maximize income for the casino?
Quote: SOOPOOIf I was Mr. Casino Executive, if I believed that the pent up demand would keep my machines at capacity, especially since capacity will be severely limited, I would definitely increase the hold percentage, at least temporarily. Once I started seeing a few empty machines, after the initial opening, I would go back to whatever hold I used to have to keep my machines a humming. But as a profit making entity, why wouldn't they adjust the holds? Are they just stupid? Or just don't want to maximize income for the casino?
Generally casinos are very impulsive and worry financially about the next reporting period. With this pandemic it actually takes some of the pressure off of the near term. I think they will be thinking longer term now. The Las Vegas casinos are not going to be very busy and they know it. Keep some people happy so they will come back.
Quote: rsactuaryThere is also paperwork with the Gaming Commission if they want to change hold percentages. They may not want to deal with that.
I wonder if thr gaming commission are allowed to disclose any information whether a casino has requested a change in the so called holds upon request.
Quote: rsactuaryThere is also paperwork with the Gaming Commission if they want to change hold percentages. They may not want to deal with that.
In Nevada you do not have to file with the Gaming Commission to change hold percentages.
Slots or VP?Quote: VegasriderI played for about an hour on the bank of machines I regularly play, not enough sample size for me to determine if they have changed.
Quote: VegasriderI played for about an hour on the bank of machines I regularly play, not enough sample size for me to determine if they have changed. I dis lose $100 playing. 25 VP
If the paytable is the same, the hold did not change.
Quote: AxelWolfSlots or VP?
VP and the pay table remained the same. 9/5.
Quote: VegasriderVP and the pay table remained the same. 9/5.
The only way to tighten a video poker machine is to reduce the paytable. If the paytable is the same, the hold is the same.
Quote: TomGThe first few times I went to the casinos since they re-opened I lost. The morerecent times I went, I won. That shows clearly that when they first opened they were tighter. But after being tighter for a few days, the machines then loosened.
Where was this at?
Quote: TomGThe first few times I went to the casinos since they re-opened I lost. The morerecent times I went, I won. That shows clearly that when they first opened they were tighter. But after being tighter for a few days, the machines then loosened.
Absolutely! Lol
I fear this is a legitimate question.Quote: VegasriderWhere was this at?
Quote: TomGThe first few times I went to the casinos since they re-opened I lost. The morerecent times I went, I won. That shows clearly that when they first opened they were tighter. But after being tighter for a few days, the machines then loosened.
Definite proof!
Are you trying to troll us?Quote: VegasriderFound a hot machine.
all hosts, casinos, newsletters and dealers are trolls whwen they can afford to be.Quote: AxelWolfAre you trying to troll us?
Quote: FleaStiffall hosts, casinos, newsletters and dealers are trolls whwen they can afford to be.
How are YOU doing?
Quote: AxelWolfAre you trying to troll us?
I played a different machine yesterday for about 8 hours but its part of my rotation. I hit 4 Aces with a kicker theee times playing Dbl Dbl VP. But I was not a big winner. Lots of Royal teases but haven't gotten one yet since the casinos has opened up.
Why do you have a rotation?Quote: VegasriderI played a different machine yesterday for about 8 hours but its part of my rotation. I hit 4 Aces with a kicker theee times playing Dbl Dbl VP. But I was not a big winner. Lots of Royal teases but haven't gotten one yet since the casinos has opened up.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy do you have a rotation?
I generally focus on 2 -3 machines. I just like playing machines that I'm familiar with based on my history. Some factors are how many hands Ive played on that machine, last time a Royal was hit, etc.
how's that working out for you overall?Quote: VegasriderI generally focus on 2 -3 machines. I just like playing machines that I'm familiar with based on my history. Some factors are how many hands Ive played on that machine, last time a Royal was hit, etc.
Whether or not the percentage hold can be changed remotely with the flip of a switch....I’ve heard yes and no. Ask an actual casino this question or if they have upped their hold....they play like the 3 monkeys.
Quote: TDVegasFWIW....several of the you tube slot players say there is no question in their mind the hold percentages have been upped since they re-open. . If I was going to believe anyone...it’s the players who are putting in some 700 sessions per year.
Whether or not the percentage hold can be changed remotely with the flip of a switch....I’ve heard yes and no. Ask an actual casino this question or if they have upped their hold....they play like the 3 monkeys.
I asked a few years ago
The answer I got was they could but not without informing the gaming commission and it required a lot of paperwork so not to worry. It wasn't worth their time.
Of course they just had a lot of time on their hands so who knows.
And I didn't ask on the west coast but assume it would be similar
And of course it's also possible the casino worker I asked was full of crapola
Quote: darkozI asked a few years ago
The answer I got was they could but not without informing the gaming commission and it required a lot of paperwork so not to worry. It wasn't worth their time.
Of course they just had a lot of time on their hands so who knows.
And I didn't ask on the west coast but assume it would be similar
And of course it's also possible the casino worker I asked was full of crapola
It’s strange how there are so many conflicting claims about what the casino can and can’t do. DRich seems to think that gaming control does not need to be notified. You are saying they do....only East?
Quote: DRichIn Nevada you do not have to file with the Gaming Commission to change hold percentages.
The secrecy for a pretty simple question is astounding. I guess we could ask gaming control...then again you won’t get a straight answer anyway.
Quote: TDVegasIt’s strange how there are so many conflicting claims about what the casino can and can’t do. DRich seems to think that gaming control does not need to be notified. You are saying they do....only East?
The secrecy for a pretty simple question is astounding. I guess we could ask gaming control...then again you won’t get a straight answer anyway.
Well DRich did preface it with "in Nevada".
It's probably a state thing.
Either way seems obvious they can change hold percentage on a purely mechanical means. Administrative is where there is some difference
I hope by now he/she understands the only thing that will turn a class 3 video poker machine into a loose or tight machine is within the pay table or meter rate on a progressive. In the case of special types of video poker machines perhaps they could possibly change the frequency of multipliers or whatever extra special gimmick they have.
Quote: TDVegas
The secrecy for a pretty simple question is astounding. I guess we could ask gaming control...then again you won’t get a straight answer anyway.
You don't need to ask anyone else, I know for a fact you don't have to report percentage changes to the Nevada Gaming Control Board as long as they meet the standards. I have been involved with this for 25 years in Nevada and have also been the Gaming Compliance Officer of a Nevada company.
So you're saying there's a chance?😁Quote: DRichYou don't need to ask anyone else, I know for a fact you don't have to report percentage changes to the Nevada Gaming Control Board as long as they meet the standards. I have been involved with this for 25 years in Nevada and have also been the Gaming Compliance Officer of a Nevada company.
Quote: DRichYou don't need to ask anyone else, I know for a fact you don't have to report percentage changes to the Nevada Gaming Control Board as long as they meet the standards. I have been involved with this for 25 years in Nevada and have also been the Gaming Compliance Officer of a Nevada company.
Understood. Thanks.
Quote: AxelWolfVegasrider, seems to have been talking about video poker specifically.
I hope by now he/she understands the only thing that will turn a class 3 video poker machine into a loose or tight machine is within the pay table ...
Keep hoping.
Quote: VegasriderI also noticed that the meter on the progressive has been bumped up. Now it’s going up every 3 hands played, before you had to play 4 hands before the meter went up. I guess that’s good.
I don't know of any progressives that go up by the number of spins or hands. They are usually based on a percentage of the money played.
Quote: DRichI don't know of any progressives that go up by the number of spins or hands. They are usually based on a percentage of the money played.
Well its pretty much the same, I always max bet.so previously it was every 4 hands at max bet, and now its only 3. Assuming I'm the only one playing on that bamk of machines, which is more oftens than mot.
http://imgur.com/gallery/mpiQD3x
Quote: VegasriderFinally hit my 1st Royal since the casino re-opened here in Reno back in May? I've hit numerous 4 Aces with a kicker, but the RF has been very elusive. Even dealt four to a Royal about ten times
http://imgur.com/gallery/mpiQD3x
We just got back from a trip to Reno. Between my wife and me we hit 4 Royals playing 3-line Jacks or Better. Three were on 4-to-the-Royal draws and one on holding two suited high cards.
GSR was in the process of redoing all(?) their machines and we could only find one multi-line 9-6 Jacks. Not sure what is going on there. We had to use one player’s card for one side of the casino and another for the other.
The Row casinos (or whatever they are called now) had only two we could find.
The Peppermill had zillions of machines. Love that place.
Smoke from the California fires was thick one day.
before the pandemic, it was 91.4%.
i saw this month for last quarter (when the casino re-opened), it's down to 91.0%.
so the answer is tighter. :(
Quote: 100xOddsmy local casino publishes quarterly avg slot return.
before the pandemic, it was 91.4%.
i saw this month for last quarter (when the casino re-opened), it's down to 91.0%.
so the answer is tighter. :(
or just variance?
