Unadvantage Play
Am I suppose to be upset that I may be paying some AP's bills? I'm not. If an AP is getting rich at the casino, it's not out of my bank account unless he can live on quarters.
Fair. I haven’t read closely and can’t be bothered to. I do get the broken record aspect of the posts. I don’t see what’s so upsetting about it still. The idea of minimizing total loss vs HE is worth being teased out (though the horse hasn’t moved in a couple of days now and the kicks keep coming). If this guy is up to something more sinister it’s over my head so far (and no I don’t frequent any other gambling sites).Quote: AxelWolfObviously he does or he would have started two threads about this.
Did you read both threads?
Do you know any of his history?
If not, please do.
You really have to read between the lines to see what the guy is up to.
It's really no longer about him(I already pointed out he would never change what he's doing, he absolutely no interested in doing so) there might be others interested in avoiding his style of play so perhaps they will get something out of this thread.
I don't think anybody's upset or losing any sleep over this since It's just a discussion. I get it, many of the comments are somewhat negative directed at the OP. Don't let the OP fool you, this isn't his first rodeo. He knew exactly what reaction he would get since he's ridden this same bull a few times.Quote: unJonFair. I haven’t read closely and can’t be bothered to. I do get the broken record aspect of the posts. I don’t see what’s so upsetting about it still. The idea of minimizing total loss vs HE is worth being teased out (though the horse hasn’t moved in a couple of days now and the kicks keep coming). If this guy is up to something more sinister it’s over my head so far (and no I don’t frequent any other gambling sites).
You're correct, no one's going to get rich from your losses alone. It's the combined total of all the people that play like you do that helps keep all the casinos in business, thus giving Advantage Players the opportunity to do their thing.Quote: SingleCoinVPHad a good time today. Played max coins to build up my comps. We are planning a trip to Hollywood for the grand opening of the new 400 foot tall guitar shaped hotel building. This year's Super Bowl is at Hard Rock Stadium in South Florida. I'm sure they will show the new building on TV. You can see it for miles around.
Am I suppose to be upset that I may be paying some AP's bills? I'm not. If an AP is getting rich at the casino, it's not out of my bank account unless he can live on quarters.
#PloppyLivesMatter( Not calling you a ploppy, you seem to know the games, strategy and math behind what you're doing)
All fair enough.Quote: AxelWolfI don't think anybody's upset or losing any sleep over this since It's just a discussion. I get it, many of the comments are somewhat negative directed at the OP. Don't let the OP fool you, this isn't his first rodeo. He knew exactly what reaction he would get since he's ridden this same bull a few times.
The players who are paying the casino's bills are those who play like they have an advantage when they don't.Quote: AxelWolfYou're correct, no one's going to get rich from your losses alone. It's the combined total of all the people that play like you do that helps keep all the casinos in business, thus giving Advantage Players the opportunity to do their thing.
Yesterday I was sitting at a machine when a man sat down next to me. Our casino has a wheel of fortune that comes up when you first put your card in. It shows you the amount of your free play. I noticed his wheel stopped at $250. Right away I knew this guy was a big better. Sure enough, he was playing $25 a hand. The game he was playing was 8/5 Double Double Bonus, the same game I was playing at single coin quarters. While I was losing $5 an hour, he was losing $400 an hour. I didn't see him hit a quad. If he did, he would have paid taxes on his winnings to boot.
I don't believe any player no matter how skilled can beat 8/5 Double Double Bonus. I enjoy playing DDB. I could stay home and play that game for free on my computer. I choose to make a nice day of it, drive over to Tampa and pay $5 an hour to play their games, listen to their music and sit in their air conditioning. I could put up a lemonade stand in my front yard and make $5 an hour. Is that a better alternative?
I don't post on these forums to contradict experts, dispute math or cast doubts on people's claims. It is easy for players who read video poker strategy books, listen to APs and watch YouTube videos to believe they can beat the casino. They ignore the fact that most games are negative, hardly anyone can play like a computer and they are human. There are people who make money at this game. There are a lot fewer than most people think.
Quote: SingleCoinVPThe players who are paying the casino's bills are those who play like they have an advantage when they don't.
Yesterday I was sitting at a machine when a man sat down next to me. Our casino has a wheel of fortune that comes up when you first put your card in. It shows you the amount of your free play. I noticed his wheel stopped at $250. Right away I knew this guy was a big better. Sure enough, he was playing $25 a hand. The game he was playing was 8/5 Double Double Bonus, the same game I was playing at single coin quarters. While I was losing $5 an hour, he was losing $400 an hour. I didn't see him hit a quad. If he did, he would have paid taxes on his winnings to boot.
I don't believe any player no matter how skilled can beat 8/5 Double Double Bonus. I enjoy playing DDB. I could stay home and play that game for free on my computer. I choose to make a nice day of it, drive over to Tampa and pay $5 an hour to play their games, listen to their music and sit in their air conditioning. I could put up a lemonade stand in my front yard and make $5 an hour. Is that a better alternative?
I don't post on these forums to contradict experts, dispute math or cast doubts on people's claims. I want the 99% of players who are like me to realize they are in control, not the casino.
I beat the ever living s*** out of an 8/5 DDB game a few years ago. $5 denom at $25/spin.
Quote: RSI beat the ever living s*** out of an 8/5 DDB game a few years ago. $5 denom at $25/spin.
I found a 7/5 game that was beatable at low levels some years ago.
Was it a progressive?Quote: TomGI found a 7/5 game that was beatable at low levels some years ago.
Anyone can get lucky and win in the short term. Over the years I have conversed with lots of people who claim to be long term winners by walking out ahead. Some of them know better. I have been ahead myself multiple years playing 97% games. Unless you win and never go back, sooner or later negative odds and human errors take their toll.
Quote: SingleCoinVPIt happens. In 2008, I ht 4 royals in one day in Biloxi. Drove home with $14,000 in my pocket. I emailed Bob Dancer to tell him about it. He emailed me back and told me to contact him 10 years later and tell him how I was doing.
Did you follow through?
Yes I did. I thanked him for many things. I also told him I hadn't found many positive games like he described in his books. I told him I tried to play computer perfect and I failed. I told him I enjoyed playing video poker and that my wife and I had a lot of good times playing together.Quote: billryanDid you follow through?
I told him I thought it was a bad idea to lead people into thinking the casino could be beaten. I told him I felt he would help more players if he told them how to lose less and enjoy the game as entertainment. I also told him I didn't like his article about his future son-in-law's profession. He didn't respond.
You haven't looked hard enoughQuote: SingleCoinVPI told him I hadn't found many positive games like he described in his books.
As I said before, playing computer perfect isn't needed to gain an advantage and make money. If you tend to make a ton of costly mistakes....that's on you.Quote: SingleCoinVPI told him I tried to play computer perfect and I failed.
I agree, but not for the same reason you do. It's a bad idea because it creates competition and educates the casinos thus causing pay-tables to get worse and less good promotions.Quote: SingleCoinVPI told him I thought it was a bad idea to lead people into thinking the casino could be beaten.
I don't think that book would sell very well. Why would anybody want to learn how to lose less money playing video poker when they do it slightly different and actually make a lot of money? That just seems stupid to me.Quote: SingleCoinVPI told him he would do better if he told players how to lose less and enjoy the game as entertainment.
If you had a coupon that saved you 50% off of an item at Walmart now, or you could go down the street to Target and get 100% rebate check on that exact same item that came in the mail two weeks later it seems like the smart thing to do would buy the item at full price at Target and wait two weeks or your check.
You have no idea what the guy was doing. For all you know he has a loss rebate deal set up with the Casino and on top of that he's getting $250 in freeplay frequently and he has a huge advantage.Quote: SingleCoinVPThe players who are paying the casino's bills are those who play like they have an advantage when they don't.
Yesterday I was sitting at a machine when a man sat down next to me. Our casino has a wheel of fortune that comes up when you first put your card in. It shows you the amount of your free play. I noticed his wheel stopped at $250. Right away I knew this guy was a big better. Sure enough, he was playing $25 a hand. The game he was playing was 8/5 Double Double Bonus, the same game I was playing at single coin quarters. While I was losing $5 an hour, he was losing $400 an hour. I didn't see him hit a quad. If he did, he would have paid taxes on his winnings to boot.
I don't believe any player no matter how skilled can beat 8/5 Double Double Bonus. I enjoy playing DDB. I could stay home and play that game for free on my computer. I choose to make a nice day of it, drive over to Tampa and pay $5 an hour to play their games, listen to their music and sit in their air conditioning. I could put up a lemonade stand in my front yard and make $5 an hour. Is that a better alternative?
I don't post on these forums to contradict experts, dispute math or cast doubts on people's claims. It is easy for players who read video poker strategy books, listen to APs and watch YouTube videos to believe they can beat the casino. They ignore the fact that most games are negative, hardly anyone can play like a computer and they are human. There are people who make money at this game. There are a lot fewer than most people think.
Depending on the location and situation, you only owe taxes your profits for the year.
As has been stated many times on this forum.... any game in the casino no matter how bad payback is has the potential of becoming + EV and making the player money depending on the situation.
Again, I find it very hard to believe that you've read all(any) of Bob Dancers books and don't realize this. I haven't read any of his books however just from the excepts I have read it seems pretty obvious you're not even coming close to understanding what and how Advantage Play video poker actually works in the way he's been describing it.
He tells them they can't because they aren't intelligent enough or they don't have the skill or discipline. This dares them to prove him wrong. The casino benefits from this. He tells them to continue to lose until math makes them a profit. This makes things worse as the math is telling them negative games are unbeatable but they don't listen. The worst thing he says is that larger denomination games are where he finds today's +EV games. If you're already losing, finding better odds isn't going to solve the problem.
Seriously, lets talk about the majority of games played by the majority of people. I know there are APs in the world. I know a few do well. Let's ask Mr. Dancer how many are living a great lifestyle off VP. I'll bet it's not many. I believe Mr. Dancer is sincere about wanting to help people. I believe he has the power to do so. He has written enough books for Advantage Players. He should write one for the rest of us.
He doesn't tout "beating the odds" he explains how to beat the CASINO by using favorable odds to your advantage by exploiting specific situations.Quote: SingleCoinVPI believe Mr. Dancer could write a great book about playing negative VP. 99.9% of today's players are playing those games, why write a book for .1%? I can't believe everyone who buys a VP strategy book is a potential AP. He won't because beating the casino sells books. Players want to believe they can beat the odds. Losers are someone else, not them. I'm probably the only one on this forum who admits he pays to play.
He tells them they can't because they aren't intelligent enough or they don't have the skill or discipline. This dares them to prove him wrong. The casino benefits from this. He tells them to continue to lose until math makes them a profit. This makes things worse as the math is telling them negative games are unbeatable but they don't listen. The worst thing he says is that larger denomination games are where he finds today's +EV games. If you're already losing, finding better odds isn't going to solve the problem.
Seriously, lets talk about the majority of games played by the majority of people. I know there are APs in the world. I know a few do well. Let's ask Mr. Dancer how many are living a great lifestyle off VP. I'll bet it's not many. I believe Mr. Dancer is sincere about wanting to help people. I believe he has the power to do so. He has written enough books for Advantage Players. He should write one for the rest of us.
A new book about how to play negative games Games for entertainment: Play less coins, play slower, take advantage of whatever offers you can and have fun. End of book.
There are lots of people on this forum that have openly talked about playing negative EV Games for entertainment.
It's a lot like talking to Nathan.Quote: billryanHe didn't believe it when Mr Dancer told him, so I doubt he'll listen to you.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's a lot like talking to Nathan.
And yet . . .
Quote: AxelWolfIt's a lot like talking to Nathan.
You are just as guilty for answering him if you already know the conversations end result.
Why keep torturing yourself?
Quote: darkozYou are just as guilty for answering him if you already know the conversations end result.
Why keep torturing yourself?
What else is there worth posting about here?
There hasn’t been much excitement here since:
The political threads were killed
You stopped posting about messing with security guards
Blue Jay started pushing his website 24/7 in a desperate attempt for hits.
Nathan left us
Quote: BozWhat else is there worth posting about here?
There hasn’t been much excitement here since:
The political threads were killed
You stopped posting about messing with security guards
Blue Jay started pushing his website 24/7 in a desperate attempt for hits.
Nathan left us
You are right.
I will try to post some interesting AP stuff
Dude, there’s literally a guy betting $0.34 on heavy favorites and posting about it. If that’s not excitement . . .Quote: BozWhat else is there worth posting about here?
There hasn’t been much excitement here since:
The political threads were killed
You stopped posting about messing with security guards
Blue Jay started pushing his website 24/7 in a desperate attempt for hits.
Nathan left us
I interacted with Nathan as well.Quote: darkozYou are just as guilty for answering him if you already know the conversations end result.
Why keep torturing yourself?
. . . and losing his shirt one stitch at a timeQuote: unJonDude, there’s literally a guy betting $0.34 on heavy favorites and posting about it. . . .
Quote: SingleCoinVPQuote: TomGI found a 7/5 game that was beatable at low levels some years ago.
Was it a progressive?
There were promotions that added 4.5%, plus some other comps
Quote:Anyone can get lucky and win in the short term. Over the years I have conversed with lots of people who claim to be long term winners by walking out ahead. Some of them know better. I have been ahead myself multiple years playing 97% games. Unless you win and never go back, sooner or later negative odds and human errors take their toll.
Can anyone calculate the odds of being up over the course of 250,000 spins of a 97% video poker game? The calculators I normally use for this stuff don't work with these numbers
Quote: SingleCoinVPI told him I thought it was a bad idea to lead people into thinking the casino could be beaten. I told him I felt he would help more players if he told them how to lose less and enjoy the game as entertainment.
Winning money is losing less.
Quote: SingleCoinVPI also told him I didn't like his article about his future son-in-law's profession. He didn't respond.
I love this position: It's ok for you because you know the math and enjoy it and lose. But it would not be ok for another family member who knows the math, enjoys it, and wins.
Quote: SingleCoinVPIf you're already losing, finding better odds isn't going to solve the problem.
Finding better odds is about the only thing that can turn someone from a losing player into a winning one
Quote: SingleCoinVPHe has written enough books for Advantage Players. He should write one for the rest of us.
There is an endless supply of books for players who with a house edge instead of a a player edge. Here is the one I would recommend to anyone: https://www.amazon.com/Gambling-102-Strategies-Casino-Games/dp/0929712072/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1569985950&refinements=p_27%3AMichael+Shackleford&s=books&sr=1-1&text=Michael+Shackleford
Quote: AxelWolfI interacted with Nathan as well.
Nathan was far more open minded.
Quote: AxelWolfI interacted with Nathan as well.
I remember when you tried to help her
Quote: TomGThere were promotions that added 4.5%, plus some other comps
Can anyone calculate the odds of being up over the course of 250,000 spins of a 97% video poker game? The calculators I normally use for this stuff don't work with these numbers
Well, you can do a bit of dirty math with asking the question on something like 8/5 Jacks or Better since hitting royals will cause the most influence in your results by far.
The royal is roughly expected to come once every 40,000 hands. So that's 6.25 expected royals.
The house edge is 2.70% so after 250,000 hands you are supposed to be down 250,000 x 0.027 x 5 credits = 33,750 credits. To be ahead then, one would likely need to hit 33,750/4000 = 8.4375 royals above average. Or 14.6875 total royals in 250k hands.
Via the binomial distribution:
The odds of hitting 14 or more royals in 250k hands: 0.513%.
The odds of hitting 15 or more royals in 250k hands: 0.206%.
So somewhere in that ballpark.
I was hoping Phil would expand his horizons here, but sadly, I'm not seeing it so far.
If you are retired and are playing video poker to pass the time, things are much different. If I played 250,000 97% max coin quarter hands a year, it would most likely cost me more than $10,000 to see 2-3 $1,000 royals. If I had +EV games to play I might make a profit, I don't. All those hands magnify the negative odds and show me what's happening in the long term. For me, controlling losses is more significant than engineering wins.
Telling me not to play 97% games does not solve the problem. I worked hard all my life so I could do what I want in retirement. I don't play golf, I play video poker. I enjoy the game and my weekly trips. My cost to play video poker is much less than my friends who are members of a country club. They pay for drinks, food, golf cart rental, greens fees, dues, golf hardware and whatever else they need. The country club does not give them a chance to win any of that back.
When I go to the casino on my weekly trips, I see a lot of the same people. I see them play the same 97% games that I do. Some of them play a quarter a hand, some play $25 a hand. I wonder how someone could justify throwing away that much money to get a thrill 1 out of 10 trips?
I think this thread has gone on long enough. I'm not trying to change the world or how anyone plays video poker. I want to play as long as possible as cheap as possible and have a good time while I'm doing it. That's what I do.
Dont worry about how awful a player I am since the goal is not to help you win but simply go on losing, just at a slower rate.
Unfortunately for you, I have to contractually finish the book about helping people sing better.
From my inside jacket cover:
Millions of people love to sing but few actually can. This book is for you! The person who sounds awful and has no chance at ever sounding good professionally.
SINGING FOR THOSE WHO CANT BUT LIKE TO BELT OUT TUNES ANYWAY helps those musically wishful people with bad rythms, orchestrations and timbre succeed at annoying other people less.
Since most people wont become singers who can get paid for their voices, this book is directed at those people to show them how they can improve their singing so that they annoy less people, still have no hope of singing professionally but at least wont be so scratchingly annoying that other people tell you to shut up.
Using the techniques in this book, you will only make people turn away in disgust, not actually scream at you.
Anyway, Singlecoin, I tbink its a grest idea for a book series. The How to Almost beat...
Look for them in bookstores everywhere
Quote: SingleCoinVPSounds good. I only sing in church. Most of the people around me say I sing pretty good. I'm not singing to make a living. I'm singing to thank the Lord for my life and letting me enjoy it so far.
Sorry, publisher has cancelled book.
Only 2 orders came in. One from a choir and the other from a gambler
The Lord does not condone gambling. You should be giving those losses to the church, spending all that entertainment time serving him, doing good for others and spreading his word. The Lord doesn't give a rat's ass about your personal entertainment.Quote: SingleCoinVPI'm singing to thank the Lord for my life and letting me enjoy it so far.
Quote: AxelWolfThe Lord does not condone gambling. You should be giving those losses to the church, spending all that entertainment time serving him, doing good for others and spreading his word. The Lord doesn't give a rat's ass about your personal entertainment.
Gambling is not a sin unless you're greedy about it or doing it unethically.
Quote: FTBI thought we were supposed to leave religion out of this forum...
The Wizard had said that topics as they relate to gambling are ok.
I.e. discussing the betting odds on the election, whether gambling is a sin.
Plus in the Misc Discussion thread it seems the topic rules are a bit looser.
Quote: SingleCoinVPI worked hard all my life so I could do what I want in retirement. I don't play golf, I play video poker. I enjoy the game and my weekly trips. My cost to play video poker is much less than my friends who are members of a country club. They pay for drinks, food, golf cart rental, greens fees, dues, golf hardware and whatever else they need. The country club does not give them a chance to win any of that back.
A perfectly reasonable analysis of the situation and your choices. Some people may play video poker with the hope of paying off their mortgage; they will probably be disappointed but I wish everyone the best of luck. You live in Florida and have an air conditioned casino. Your friends live in Florida but only get air conditioning on their nineteenth hole. I think you've made the better decision.
Not true. It's ungodly therefore it's a sin. Wasting money on frivolous things it's certainly a sin. Having excess money above and beyond what it takes to take care of you and your family is certainly a sin.Quote: TigerWuGambling is not a sin unless you're greedy about it or doing it unethically.
Of course, this is all assuming people believe in God and the teachings of the Bible.
If we are to assume God chooses who goes to heaven, why would he choose someone who likes to gamble in casinos 250000 hands worth per year over someone who has dedicated their entire life to serving God not doing
'carnal' things?
Assuming there's a God and heaven, the odds are against gamblers making it to heaven. Advantage Players get a pass since they are doing it to take care of themselves and their family. I'm fairly certain Advantage players are the chosen ones because they try to take down the devils casinos. Why else would God bless Advantage players with wonderful promotions, free play, hole carding and the many other wonderful opportunities?😎
Quote: AxelWolfNot true. It's ungodly therefore it's a sin. Wasting money on frivolous things it's certainly a sin. Having excess money above and beyond what it takes to take care of you and your family is certainly a sin.
Of course, this is all assuming people believe in God and the teachings of the Bible.
If we are to assume God chooses who goes to heaven, why would he choose someone who likes to gamble in casinos 250000 hands worth per year over someone who has dedicated their entire life to serving God not doing
'carnal' things?
Assuming there's a God and heaven, the odds are against gamblers making it to heaven. Advantage Players get a pass since they are doing it to take care of themselves and their family. I'm fairly certain Advantage players are the chosen ones because they try to take down the devils casinos. Why else would God bless Advantage players with wonderful promotions, free play, hole carding and the many other wonderful opportunities?😎
I’ve always felt that God probably hates casinos, because he feels the house edge is unfair.
Therefore he loves APs because they balance things out.
And Darksiders, the devil's little helpers.Quote: michael99000I’ve always felt that God probably hates casinos, because he feels the house edge is unfair.
Therefore he loves APs because they balance things out.
Quote: SingleCoinVPI worked hard all my life so I could do what I want in retirement.
Quote: SingleCoinVPI wonder how someone could justify throwing away that much money to get a thrill 1 out of 10 trips?
A lot of them justify losing money at the casino the same exact way you justify losing money at the casino. They worked hard for it so that they can do what they want. The only difference is that they don't question the justifications of other players like you do.
Quote: TomGA lot of them justify losing money at the casino the same exact way you justify losing money at the casino. They worked hard for it so that they can do what they want. The only difference is that they don't question the justifications of other players like you do.
^^^THIS!!!
Perhaps an AMEN would be more appropriate.
Gambling is a sin. Interesting as this is a gambling forum. I guess that makes everyone here a sinner. I don't know anyone human who isn't.
APs aren't sinners because they sin to feed their families. So do prostitutes.
I'm going to hell because I choose to play one quarter at a time. Guilty. Someone else died so I don't have to.
I should stay home and give money to the poor. How do you know I don't?
This forum is a mirror of today's society. Everyone else is wrong and you are right. There is no compromise.
Stephen Paddock was an AP. Did he go to heaven?
Quote: SingleCoinVP
Stephen Paddock was an AP. Did he go to heaven?
I don't think Paddock was an AP. He was just another losing video poker player who played for "entertainment"
Please back that statement up with proof. You're not an advantage player and you said you don't really know any. Seems to me you don't really know what an advantage player is or what they really do. That's obvious considering some of the things you have said on here about how and what Bob Dancer plays(I still find your perspective astonishing since you claim to have read all of his books).Quote: SingleCoinVP
Stephen Paddock was an AP. Did he go to heaven?
I think it was Anthony Curtis that jumped the gun very early on and made an assumption about the situation. There may have been others that jump on that theory as well. It makes for good headlines whenever you can associate something with professional gambling. All his money came from other sources prior. I'm fairly certain the rumors about him actually being an advantage player was debunked and he was an overall losing player.
It seems as if he just knew enough to get himself in trouble and become addicted to video poker. The amount of play and loss expectation and actual losses exceeded the Kickbacks overall.
I think his style was more in line with yours, but on a larger scale. Read a few bucks seeking ways to lose less money, learn the basic math needed, learn the strategy(but probably not very well), targeted machines with better than normal odds, play lots of hands for "entertainment"(most likely to feed his addiction while trying to lose the least amount possible) and take advantage of whatever they would give him. He wasn't running around playing promotions, seeking out progressives, targeting free play at as many good places as possible, playing the least amount possible to earn the maximum amount of free play, or doing all the other things many Advantage players do.
Quote: SingleCoinVP
APs aren't sinners because they sin to feed their families. So do prostitutes.
Wow, if heaven is full of only prostitutes and AP's, that is a place I want to go. I guess I am going to have to start selling my body (anyone got a nickel?).
I believe you are correct. I may not know what an advantage player is. I assume they only play video poker when they have an advantage. My experience tells me they wouldn't play many hands. I have played video poker at numerous casinos around the country. When I plug the payouts into my VPW software, it tells me 99% of the games are negative. I always use a player's card wherever I play. When I check their comps, they are never enough to overcome the negative odds.Quote: AxelWolfPlease back that statement up with proof. You're not an advantage player and you said you don't really know any. Seems to me you don't really know what an advantage player is or what they really do. That's obvious considering some of the things you have said on here about how and what Bob Dancer plays(I still find your perspective astonishing since you claim to have read all of his books)
I asked a question on another forum once. I challenged anyone to give me an example of a video poker game where the player had an advantage. The only answer I got was scalping Ultimate X multipliers. I went to my local casino to check this out. I found a few. So what do I do after I played that hand? Does an AP walk around the Ultimate X games waiting for someone to leave? This is not playing video poker. This seems like garbage picking. If I walk around the casino looking for tickets on the floor, is that advantage play?
I told you why I play the way I do. The math says I'm saving money by doing so. No one here is going to play single coin quarters, I get that. What APs do does not work for me. I don't have the games, discipline, skill or endurance. I'm not alone.
Quote: SingleCoinVPSo what do I do after I played that hand? Does an AP walk around the Ultimate X games waiting for someone to leave? This is not playing video poker. This seems like garbage picking.
Most AP's are not just interested in video poker. They will look for advantage slots, coupons, etc, I think Axel even AP's the buffet. That is my only explanation of why Axel sticks bananas down his pants at the buffet.
