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darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 4:33:41 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Same with me. I must be doing something wrong.

I get $500 Freeplay. I play double double bonus using the strategy posted on this site. Yet I typically walk away with only around $375.



Which is why I would be willing to purchase freeplay for 50% with an expectation of making back 67% face value.

Again, as Heatmap said, on this side of the states freeplay means slotplay for the most part. Not VP or VBJ
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September 3rd, 2019 at 4:34:07 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have no problem with you buying freeplay

But saving fifty cents per $100 in freeplay seems ridiculous to me




The transaction cost to get it, even just postage, would negate the savings. The gasoline that I use to get to the casino would eat it up too.

I'll just sit back and wait for my own offers to arrive.
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September 3rd, 2019 at 4:35:06 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have no problem with you buying freeplay

But saving fifty cents per $100 in freeplay seems ridiculous to me




The transaction cost to get it, even just postage, would negate the savings. The gasoline that I would use to get to the casino would eat it up too.

I'll just sit back and wait for my own offers to arrive.
The best things in life are not free.
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:00:24 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have no problem with you buying freeplay

But saving fifty cents per $100 in freeplay seems ridiculous to me



Suppose the right circumstances let you do it indefinitely.
darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:26:17 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Suppose the right circumstances let you do it indefinitely.



Fifty cents per $100 just doesn't do it for me even indefinitely.

Too small!

Now if it was free cash yeah I would do it indefinitely.
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I have no problem with you buying freeplay

But saving fifty cents per $100 in freeplay seems ridiculous to me


Again, you're misreading what's being said. No one's saying that you should go pay 99.5% for FP. Obviously that's not going to be something you should seek out to go make money on that. But if it helps someone else because they sell it at a good price and I'm going to be playing anyway, then yeah I'll buy it at 99.5%. But if someone on this forum wanted to sell FP to some casino I have no intention of playing at, then I'm obviously not going to buy it at 99.5% and neither would Axel.

It obviously depends how much FP there is, the higher the amount the closer to 100% I'd be willing to pay. Max I'd pay is probably 95%, assuming I can play 98%+ VP on it, but that'd be if I was buying A LOT. If I'm buying something like $5k-10k, I'd probably go 90% at the most. If I can only play slots on it, then I'd probably buy it (at the most) around 80-85%....although that'd also require I know or have a very good estimate of the return on the slot I'm going to play.

You should know better than to think a slot's return is 66.7%. #MostFearedMostSecretiveWellKnownAPOnTheEastCoast
darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:57:59 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Again, you're misreading what's being said. No one's saying that you should go pay 99.5% for FP. Obviously that's not going to be something you should seek out to go make money on that. But if it helps someone else because they sell it at a good price and I'm going to be playing anyway, then yeah I'll buy it at 99.5%. But if someone on this forum wanted to sell FP to some casino I have no intention of playing at, then I'm obviously not going to buy it at 99.5% and neither would Axel.

It obviously depends how much FP there is, the higher the amount the closer to 100% I'd be willing to pay. Max I'd pay is probably 95%, assuming I can play 98%+ VP on it, but that'd be if I was buying A LOT. If I'm buying something like $5k-10k, I'd probably go 90% at the most. If I can only play slots on it, then I'd probably buy it (at the most) around 80-85%....although that'd also require I know or have a very good estimate of the return on the slot I'm going to play.

You should know better than to think a slot's return is 66.7%. #MostFearedMostSecretiveWellKnownAPOnTheEastCoast



I know that 66.7% is not any slot return.

I do not want variance to turn a good investment into a bad investment. I demand 50% so I know I dont have to worry about variance and ending up with a loss.

I have lost $1800 in 15 minutes playing at $10 a spin. I have also won money when I didn't even want to (reasons too complicated to explain, only an AP would understand probably).

Im not letting variance ruin my return

And perhaps I demand a good solid amount of profit on a play

Its been a long time since I travelled on buses solely for the bus bonus

At any rate I rarely "buy" preexisting freeplay so for.me its all a hypothetical
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September 3rd, 2019 at 5:58:03 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Fifty cents per $100 just doesn't do it for me even indefinitely.

Too small!

Under the right circumstances adding a half percent to your play could add thousands of dollars per hour.
And don't think for one minute situations haven't/won't come up where a half a percent adds thousands of dollars to someone's play.


Had anyone else came up with some of your responses in this thread I would think they had a lack of imagination and a limited understanding/knowledge of Advantage play.
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September 3rd, 2019 at 6:00:49 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I know that 66.7% is not any slot return.

I do not want variance to turn a good investment into a bad investment. I demand 50% so I know I dont have to worry about variance and ending up with a loss.

I have lost $1800 in 15 minutes playing at $10 a spin. I have also won money when I didn't even want to (reasons tok complicated to explain, only an AP would understand probably).

Im not letting variance ruin my return

And perhaps I demand a good solid amount of profit on a play

Its been a long time since I travelled on buses solely for the bus bonus

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darkoz
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September 3rd, 2019 at 6:05:48 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Under the right circumstances adding a half percent to your play could add thousands of dollars per hour.
And don't think for one minute situations haven't/won't come up where a half a percent adds thousands of dollars to someone's play.


Had anyone else came up with some of your responses in this thread I would think they had a lack of imagination and a limited understanding/knowledge of Advantage play.



There goes "under the right circumstances" again.

Sure, but as I have pointed out those are few and far between here on the East Coast.

And since you have to keep prefacing it with "under the right circumstances" it is pretty clear those are rare enough that you dont want to just say, "yes I buy it."

And once again we are talking about adding one half percent to freeplay, not to gameplay.

Unless u are purchasing unlimited or mega amounts of freeplay (tens of thousands of dollars) one half percent isnt large enough

We began this thread with a purchase of $500 fp. Again, you arent arguing that extra $2.50 is some huge edge if you purchased it are you?

And dont say well if you could purchase $500 fifty times over because thats just saying a purchase of $25,000

We are talking about $500 freeplay here
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