ksdjdj
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January 11th, 2019 at 7:21:39 PM permalink
There is an online game of which they call Double Bonus VP with the following paytable

RF : 1000
Four Aces : 185
4oK 2-4 : 100
4ok 5-K : 60
SF : 50
FH : 8
Fl : 6
Str : 5
3oK : 3
2Pair : 1
JoB : 1

Coin value : 1

please note: there are no bonuses for 5 coins, eg RF pay 5000 for 5 coins

RTP: 100.49%***

*** based on strategy calculators at WoO and Beating Bonuses websites.

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My questions below are for a 1 coin game, unless otherwise stated:

Would 822^^^ coins be enough for a game?
822^^^ coins: i picked this figure, because the strategy calculator says that a RF is about 1 in 36,269.15(when playing 'Basic Strategy' for this game), and my expected drop is about 822... (drop of 2.266...% x 36,269.15 = 822...) before hitting a RF.

What would the risk of ruin be for an: 800, 1600, 2400, 3200 and 4000 coin bank roll be?

What would my bank-roll need to be for a risk of ruin of: 1/1,000, 1/100,000 and 1/10 million?

Can anyone tell me what bank-roll and coin value they would want, to make about $50+an hour (playing 500 hands*^* an hour)? With the focus on having a minimal risk of ruin

*^*: my play rate is usually about 40-100 hands per hour (when I haven't studied and practiced before), and this can go up to about 500 - 600 per hour(for games that I have had a few weeks or more of practice)

Edit (made at about 1040 pm EST): for the last question please note that the maximum $ value you can bet is $125 ($25 x 5 coins) for this game. I just worked out I will need to bet about $20 per bet for 500 hands per hour to make about $50 an hour EV, so I think I just need your bank-roll opinion for the above question now

thanks for your time
Last edited by: ksdjdj on Jan 11, 2019
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January 12th, 2019 at 5:28:12 AM permalink
Can I ask where this game is found? Is it a reputable casino?
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
RS
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January 12th, 2019 at 6:41:26 AM permalink
822: 95.62%
1600: 93.41%
3200: 87.26%
....
54,096: 10%
86,666: 2.5%
108,193: 1%


$50/hr @ 500 hph = $10,121 CI/hr = $20/spin = $4 denom. @ 5% ROR = $281,526 in BR.
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ksdjdj
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January 12th, 2019 at 1:03:21 PM permalink
Quote: RS

822: 95.62%
1600: 93.41%
3200: 87.26%
....
54,096: 10%
86,666: 2.5%
108,193: 1%


$50/hr @ 500 hph = $10,121 CI/hr = $20/spin = $4 denom. @ 5% ROR = $281,526 in BR.



Thanks for the info,

I guess I should learn how to work out the RoR myself, but since you know it already, what would those figures be for a different VP game listed below?


Game: deuces wild

Paytable (simplified): pays 2.2 coins for 1, 3ok hands (or better)

RTP***: 101.1386 (using basic strategy)

Bet size: $0.15 per game

Hands per game: 25

'investment' per game: $3.75

hands per hour: 500 (edit: should be read ‘games per hour ‘, sorry)

EV (in$) per hour: $21.34875

variance: about 1.20

***: see link below to verify and for any other important info that you may need (to work out a bank roll for 10%, 2.5% and 1% RoR)

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-2-b-44-c-1-d-0-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2-d-2.2/


thanks again

Edit (about 805 pm est)

Nb The variance mentioned above is for a single hand game (I don’t know what it would be for s 25 hand game)

Edit (about 835pm est)

The RTP above should be read as a ‘%’
Last edited by: ksdjdj on Jan 12, 2019
ksdjdj
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January 12th, 2019 at 1:06:14 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

Can I ask where this game is found? Is it a reputable casino?



Yes, they pay me, but it is an online one, so is a lot harder (or near impossible) for US based players to play,
are you from there or somewhere else?

Ask me via PM, if you still want to know the casino and I will be happy to tell you

thanks
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January 13th, 2019 at 1:53:08 AM permalink
I'm not really sure how to do that. I used a program and it doesn't allow for fractional credits (2.2-for-1), even though it pays 11-for-5.

I kinda jigger-rigged it though and made it a 10-for-5 payout and added 9% cash-back. For that, on 10-play, you would need 4,673 credits to have a 1% ROR. So if you have 10,000 credits, you should be most likely be below 3% ROR.
It's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake. If the way is hazy. You gotta do the cookin' by the book. You know you can't be lazy. Never use a messy recipe. The cake will end up crazy. If you do the cookin' by the book. Then you'll have a... Break it down! Lemme see you bake it up! Drop that down low and pick that up. Break it down! Lemme see you bake it up! Drop that down low and pick that up Now back that Hey! Now back that. Hey! Now bake that. Hey! Now bake that. Hey! It's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake (WHAT!) If the way is hazy (OKAY!) You gotta do the cookin' by the book, (WHAT!) You know you can't be lazy (YEAH!) Never use a messy recipe, (WHAT!) The cake will end up crazy (OKAY!) If you do the cookin' by the book, (YEEAAHHHH!) Then you'll have a...cake! Rub that, it's yours! Grab this, it's yours! Rub that, it's yours! Grab this, it's yours! Now turn around, put that on. Grind, make it get a little bigger! Now turn around, put that on. Grind, make it get a little bigger! You gotta do the cookin' by the book! HEY!

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