Single Machine Challenge #2
November 1st, 2017 at 2:50:57 PM
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Today I recorded challenger "Dr. Antonius" for the single-machine video poker record. We played at the M on what was a very fast machine, as you'll see. I have looked at the first 80 hands and detected no errors. However, I've been known to make mistakes from time to time.
I would appreciate any help from the forum to check this footage for errors. Thanks in advance!
Note: Original footage removed, below is the finished product.
Direct link: https://youtu.be/e2dj6YJrnEA
Direct link: https://youtu.be/Al-wzwQ2evw
I would appreciate any help from the forum to check this footage for errors. Thanks in advance!
Note: Original footage removed, below is the finished product.
Direct link: https://youtu.be/e2dj6YJrnEA
Direct link: https://youtu.be/Al-wzwQ2evw
Last edited by: Wizard on Nov 2, 2017
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 1st, 2017 at 2:56:23 PM
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Robots can compete in this competition now?
November 1st, 2017 at 3:30:35 PM
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I forgot to mention that the game is 9-6 Jacks.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 1st, 2017 at 4:25:49 PM
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You were cutting off the first card in the video so I FF a bit, I didn't look at the entire thing, however at 3:03
we have Jc 10c 6c Ad 8h
He elects to hold the A J. I'm not sure if 2 penalty cards are enough to not hold the J 10.
we have Jc 10c 6c Ad 8h
He elects to hold the A J. I'm not sure if 2 penalty cards are enough to not hold the J 10.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 1st, 2017 at 4:34:07 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou were cutting off the first card in the video so I FF a bit, I didn't look at the entire thing, however at 3:03
we have Jc 10c 6c Ad 8h
He elects to hold the A J I'm not sure if 2 penalty cards are enough to not hold the J 10.
Penalty cards don't matter when its AJo vs JTs. JTs will always be the right hold in 9/6 JoB. I've tested many scenarios on the hand analyzer and always get the same answer.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
November 1st, 2017 at 4:42:34 PM
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Ya, I know, even the 9 isn't enough. I don't know why I choose to say "I'm not sure" other than the fact that I don't have a program on this computer and I didn't run it.Quote: IbeatyouracesPenalty cards don't matter when its AJo vs JTs. JTs will always be the right hold in 9/6 JoB. I've tested many scenarios on the hand analyzer and always get the same answer.
P.S. he clearly changed his hold because he saw the 2 penalties. Perhaps he doesn't know that one?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
November 1st, 2017 at 4:48:43 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou were cutting off the first card in the video so I FF a bit, I didn't look at the entire thing, however at 3:03
we have Jc 10c 6c Ad 8h
He elects to hold the A J. I'm not sure if 2 penalty cards are enough to not hold the J 10.
Yes, that was an error.
EV of holding 10-J suited = 0.480173
EV of holding J-A off-suit = 0.474314
Error = 0.005859.
Per my rule of subtracting 3 hands for every 1% of error, he will be deducted 3*(0.005859/0.01) = 1.758 hands from the total played.
There is no exception to the rule that J-10 suited beats J-A off-suit. It is J-10 suited vs. J-K off-suit that depends on penalty cards.
Interestingly, he initially held the J-10 suited, but changed it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 1st, 2017 at 6:35:21 PM
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This is a bit off topic, but a story some of you may enjoy.
Before the challenge, the challenger and I went outside of the casino to shoot my introduction. Given that it was game 7 of the World Series, I was wearing a Dodgers shirt. As we were getting ready to start an old man came along and said something to the effect of, "I see you're wearing a Dodgers shirt. You must know a thing or two about baseball, would you like a baseball trivia question?"
Although sports is not my strong suit, especially baseball, I said sure. He then went into about 20 minutes of question after question, interrupted only by stories of how stellar his Little League team did that he used to coach. These questions were way over my head. I got zero right. Here are a couple examples:
"What two people are in the Baseball Hall of Fame who never played the game, coached it, owned a team, umpired, etc..."
"If a ball is hit foul and is about to roll back into the field of play, and an infielder throws his mitt at the ball while still out of bounds, what should the umpire call?"
I think I now know a little how those I torture with trivia questions feel. Probably some divine revenge.
Before the challenge, the challenger and I went outside of the casino to shoot my introduction. Given that it was game 7 of the World Series, I was wearing a Dodgers shirt. As we were getting ready to start an old man came along and said something to the effect of, "I see you're wearing a Dodgers shirt. You must know a thing or two about baseball, would you like a baseball trivia question?"
Although sports is not my strong suit, especially baseball, I said sure. He then went into about 20 minutes of question after question, interrupted only by stories of how stellar his Little League team did that he used to coach. These questions were way over my head. I got zero right. Here are a couple examples:
"What two people are in the Baseball Hall of Fame who never played the game, coached it, owned a team, umpired, etc..."
"If a ball is hit foul and is about to roll back into the field of play, and an infielder throws his mitt at the ball while still out of bounds, what should the umpire call?"
I think I now know a little how those I torture with trivia questions feel. Probably some divine revenge.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 1st, 2017 at 7:02:10 PM
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Quote: Wizard"What two people are in the Baseball Hall of Fame who never played the game, coached it, owned a team, umpired, etc..."
Bud Abbott and Lou Costello are "in the Hall of Fame" in that their "Who's on First?" routine from the movie The Naughty Nineties runs pretty much continuously. The "sort of" is Homer Simpson, who is fictional and thus isn't really "people."
Quote: Wizard"If a ball is hit foul and is about to roll back into the field of play, and an infielder throws his mitt at the ball while still out of bounds, what should the umpire call?"
Foul ball. The "three bases" rule applies only if it is a fair ball. (Official Baseball Rule 7.05(b).) Note that it is two bases if it is done to a thrown ball.
To be fair, I would have said, "Batter gets three bases and all runners score," before looking it up.
To be fair, I would have said, "Batter gets three bases and all runners score," before looking it up.
November 1st, 2017 at 7:12:27 PM
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Bud Abbott and Lou Costello are "in the Hall of Fame" in that their "Who's on First?" routine from the movie The Naughty Nineties runs pretty much continuously. The "sort of" is Homer Simpson, who is fictional and thus isn't really "people."
That is right on the first two. He did not seem to know about Homer.
Foul ball. The "three bases" rule applies only if it is a fair ball. (Official Baseball Rule 7.05(b).) Note that it is two bases if it is done to a thrown ball.
To be fair, I would have said, "Batter gets three bases and all runners score," before looking it up.
To be fair, I would have said, "Batter gets three bases and all runners score," before looking it up.
Maybe I phrased the question badly, but he said the umpire should rule it a foul ball, because you're allowed to throw equipment like a mitt out of the field of play. Just not in it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 1st, 2017 at 7:17:45 PM
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If my viewing of the video is right, the error mentioned above was the only one. I sure would appreciate anyone's help to verify there were no further errors.
Before the error deduction, there were 387 hands played in 10 minutes and 13 seconds. That would equate to a speed of 2,273 HPH.
However, after the deduction of 1.758 hands for the error, his speed is 385.242 hands in 613 seconds, or 2,262 HPH.
I will replay the video to make sure I counted the hands properly.
Before the error deduction, there were 387 hands played in 10 minutes and 13 seconds. That would equate to a speed of 2,273 HPH.
However, after the deduction of 1.758 hands for the error, his speed is 385.242 hands in 613 seconds, or 2,262 HPH.
I will replay the video to make sure I counted the hands properly.
Last edited by: Wizard on Nov 2, 2017
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 1st, 2017 at 7:56:41 PM
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I'm surprised he let you reveal the location and time. Just that little bit of info could identify him by someone at the M. Those two machines are played so infrequently, I would not be surprised if he was the only one to play this morning.
November 1st, 2017 at 8:04:39 PM
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The baseball trivia guy was quite odd. I told Mike now he knows never to wear a jersey out again. :)
Regarding the error, I do know the rule and after the video that was the only hand I mentioned as a possible error. I couldn't remember which choice I made but I guessed, incorrectly, that I had made the right one.
When I first started playing the only game I played for months was NSUD. At that time, and shortly after I began picking up other games, NSUD was certainly the thing I was fastest at. Now I know many games, although 9/6 JoB and similar variants (e.g. BP, BPDLX) are what I have been playing the most in recent days, so I chose to do that for the challenge. Additionally, I tested myself recently before the challenge and roughly calculated I was around 2100 for NSUD and 2200 for JoB.
Regarding the error, I do know the rule and after the video that was the only hand I mentioned as a possible error. I couldn't remember which choice I made but I guessed, incorrectly, that I had made the right one.
When I first started playing the only game I played for months was NSUD. At that time, and shortly after I began picking up other games, NSUD was certainly the thing I was fastest at. Now I know many games, although 9/6 JoB and similar variants (e.g. BP, BPDLX) are what I have been playing the most in recent days, so I chose to do that for the challenge. Additionally, I tested myself recently before the challenge and roughly calculated I was around 2100 for NSUD and 2200 for JoB.
November 1st, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesPenalty cards don't matter when its AJo vs JTs. JTs will always be the right hold in 9/6 JoB. I've tested many scenarios on the hand analyzer and always get the same answer.
Just in case anyone is wondering, I just ran a few hands on 9/5 JoB, and in that game, penalty cards DO matter.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
November 2nd, 2017 at 6:48:04 AM
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I miscounted the hands previously and have edited my post above to show a speed of 2,262 hands per hour.
Here is the final video, enjoy!
Direct link: https://youtu.be/e2dj6YJrnEA
Here is the final video, enjoy!
Direct link: https://youtu.be/e2dj6YJrnEA
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 3rd, 2017 at 9:13:49 AM
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I checked my speed at my local casino yesterday and came in at 318 over 13 minutes. And I was going too fast and made mistakes. So realistically my "accurate" play runs probably max at about 1,200. My comfortable speed I think is closer to 900.
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