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Quote: WizardThe challenge has been rescheduled for Tuesday. Probably around noon. Again, I'm looking for somebody who can help by taking a video of one of the machines.
Has the competitor stated which game they are playing? If I was in Vegas I would help, but alas, no. :(
Quote: tringlomaneHas the competitor stated which game they are playing? If I was in Vegas I would help, but alas, no. :(
No. Still trying to get somebody who will commit 100% to being there and recording. I have some maybes and some who will show up but not record.
I don't doubt you believe donald trump could get 3k hands per hour on 1 single line machine... but like many things with mr trump the math doesn't quite agree =D.Quote: MaxPenI think you could get 3000 hands per hour on a U1 machine. Maybe more.
Quote: RomesI don't doubt you believe donald trump could get 3k hands per hour on 1 single line machine... but like many things with mr trump the math doesn't quite agree =D.
3,000? There you go again. Underestimating the Donald. When will you learn?
I don't know if you could hit 3k HPH on a U1, but I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if you could. It sounds reasonable to me.
Quote: RomesI don't doubt you believe donald trump could get 3k hands per hour on 1 single line machine... but like many things with mr trump the math doesn't quite agree =D.
Not sure why you are bringing Trump into this. I definitely think the right person could get 3k hands per hour using the pro hold feature on a U1. Especially on a game that has very few holds such as Triple Treys. Would you care to recalculate your opinion now? There are 3600 seconds in an hour last time I checked.🤓
Quote: billryan3,000? There you go again. Underestimating the Donald. When will you learn?
Give me an L
Give me an O
Ahhhh...............never mind.
I heard they are having a 2fer special on rib eyes at the dollar store. Run along now.
Now if we can get a couple percent edge we could be making like 7k per hour.Quote: MaxPenNot sure why you are bringing Trump into this. I definitely think the right person could get 3k hands per hour using the pro hold feature on a U1. Especially on a game that has very few holds such as Triple Treys. Would you care to recalculate your opinion now? There are 3600 seconds in an hour last time I checked.🤓
Quote: AxelWolfNow if we can get a couple percent edge we could be making like 7k per hour.
Probably closer to 300 per hour. FYI.....I would show up for that🤑
Cant you bet really high at some locations?Quote: MaxPenProbably closer to 300 per hour. FYI.....I would show up for that🤑
Is it just me, or is RS 'trying' to get more and more ghetto with every post on the forums? SiK Bruh, lez gut LIT 2nite....Quote: RSBruhs (plural of "bruh"), this is a gaming thread not a political thread. Yolo.
Because it was funny (made me laugh) and I have a sense of humor and wasn't being serious at all. Also, I think I was just posting and overlooked the "U1" machine. What do you mean exactly by "U1" machine?Quote: MaxPenNot sure why you are bringing Trump into this...
Quote: RomesIs it just me, or is RS 'trying' to get more and more ghetto with every post on the forums? SiK Bruh, lez gut LIT 2nite....
https://youtu.be/WoudYNeVn5E
Quote: RomesIs it just me, or is RS 'trying' to get more and more ghetto with every post on the forums? SiK Bruh, lez gut LIT 2nite....
*lit af
RS with a new mixtape coming out soon:
For those of you whom haven't met him... [sarcasm]RS is the one on the right ;-) ... OBVIOUSLY.[/sarcasm]Quote: djatc*lit af
RS with a new mixtape coming out soon:
LOOKING TO ESTABLISH A RECORD FOR FATTEST VIDEO POKER PLAYER.
Quote: AxelWolfI think it would be more interesting if we changed the title of this thread to:
LOOKING TO ESTABLISH A RECORD FOR FATTEST VIDEO POKER PLAYER.
There's a guy around here that could chase for the fattest craps player.
Quote: RomesFor those of you whom haven't met him... [sarcasm]RS is the one on the right ;-) ... OBVIOUSLY.[/sarcasm]Quote: djatc*lit af
RS with a new mixtape coming out soon:
I titled the one in the middle Romes😀
U1's are the multi game machines. Video poker comes with a feature to select you hold or pro hold. They are super fast. They have a lot of weird VP variants. Mostly found in Dottys type of places.
Quote: MaxPenQuote: RomesFor those of you whom haven't met him... [sarcasm]RS is the one on the right ;-) ... OBVIOUSLY.[/sarcasm]Quote: djatc*lit af
RS with a new mixtape coming out soon:
I titled the one in the middle Romes😀
Ah, then the tall one must be Axel.
My thanks to Ken for a good show.
Quote: WizardToday we did the challenge. RS and AxelWolf were in attendance. Our challenger, Ken, played two full-pay deuces games for 10 minutes. He claimed his speed would be around 2200 HPH. I recorded one screen and RS the other. I haven't had time to look at my video yet and have yet to get RS's but all seemed to agree he was about as fast as it gets with video poker. The accuracy seemed near perfect as well. I hope to at least check my video for accuracy tomorrow.
My thanks to Ken for a good show.
IMHO that's not 2200 HPH. I can play 100 play and get more hands per hour. The way I understood this record attempt was for one machine and on single line. I can actually partner up with a friend and we can play four machines getting more hands per hour. Allowing someone to play two machines and setting the record seems wrong unless your going to make categories for specific records and games. Your idea your rules I suppose.
No big hits on the machine I was videoing. Doubt he had a big hit on the other machine unless it was at the very end, I looked at it every now and then, and it seemed like between both machines he was +/- $50 total all throughout.
Just watched 2 minutes of the video I have and I counted 43 hands. That's 1290 HPH for that machine alone (assuming my counting is accurate), if he keeps up with that speed all throughout. Seemed like he wasn't playing that fast, but it's also pretty tough to judge someone else's HPH....much easier if you're the one playing.
I didn't see any errors (sort of), but I also don't know FPDW strategy to begin with. I remember seeing a hand like 6c, 9c, Tc, 7h, 3s and he held 6,7,9,T and I thought "A ha! An error!" then afterwards he said the straight draw and SF draw have the same EV....and of course, they do (I checked). I also saw a hand where I think he held TTQ or QQT...if that's what happened, that's a 12% or 24% error (depending on if it was from two pair or not), which according to Wizard's formula/penalty, would remove 36 to 72 hands (3 HPH per 1% error?). But I can't say for sure he made that actual hold, since I think it was on the other machine which I was not filming.
Holy damn, this file big AF. It's 1.2 GB. On a somewhat related note, holy crap my wifi is trash, compared to my ethernet cable interwebz. Just checked speedtest.net and my download is 17.88 MBPS and upload is 2.31 MBPS, although that might be effected (affected?) by the uploading right now....but the DL shouldn't be effected/affected, should it? On my other computer with ethernet plugin internetz it's like 150 down and 10 or 15 up. Just did another test run, paused the upload of this big AF file, and download was the same about 18 MBPS, but upload went up to 9.5 MBPS.
Quote: monet0412IMHO that's not 2200 HPH. I can play 100 play and get more hands per hour. The way I understood this record attempt was for one machine and on single line. I can actually partner up with a friend and we can play four machines getting more hands per hour. Allowing someone to play two machines and setting the record seems wrong unless your going to make categories for specific records and games. Your idea your rules I suppose.
I think two single line machines qualify. In fact X single line machines would be fine too. The skill is in decisions per hour per player, including the accuracy of those decisions. Multi line machines would not qualify as a single decision triggers multiple hands.
Looking forward to the results of this first attempt.
Quote: MidwestAPI think two single line machines qualify. In fact X single line machines would be fine too. The skill is in decisions per hour per player, including the accuracy of those decisions. Multi line machines would not qualify as a single decision triggers multiple hands.
Looking forward to the results of this first attempt.
It doesn't really matter to me... I've actually played 3 machines at once. These are the slower coin machines. I am just saying it is different to play 2 single line machine at once compared to just one. It's a different world. Playing two machines as fast as you can will wear you down. I know because I've played them two at a time for hours on end. 8 to 16 hour sessions believe it or not. My main point is one player might be faster on just one machine but can't play as fast as another player playing two simultaneously. IMO it's a different sport and should have separate records but I'm not really involved and never plan to get involved.
Quote: monet0412Playing two machines as fast as you can will wear you down.
True. When the results are reported, I'd like to see estimates of how fast he could have played if limited to one machine only.
For slow machines, playing two can nearly double your HPH. For fast machines, your HPH may only improve by ... 50% or less?
I'm trying to assess the real-world practicality of playing two.
Quote: HugoSlaviaFor slow machines, playing two can nearly double your HPH. For fast machines, your HPH may only improve by ... 50% or less?
I'm trying to assess the real-world practicality of playing two.
I used to think that playing two on fast machines wasn't worth it. Heck I used to think two machines at medium speed wasn't worth it. I finally caved in and started playing two machines and found out that it was worth it in the long run and I was close to doubling my money per hour but I was deep into video games for 30 years and was able to withstand long sessions playing two machines for years but once I started playing dollar machines or higher I found that it was better for me to just play one machine at a time.
At the same time, it's like adding a 2nd line. So why wouldn't multi-line be acceptable then? I thought the point of the experiment was to get a "base line" on a 1 line machine of how fast one person could play, understand that we all know we could get more hands with more lines (or in Ken's case, more machines). There's something to be said about the 2 machines. With practice maybe I could do it, but I've never had to try to do it, so I haven't and probably can't do it now, admittedly. It's still damn impressive either way, I just don't think it should qualify. What if he found a progressive on a $1 machine, 9/6 JoB and the royal was $20,000. He could only get 1 seat, i.e. one machine... then how fast could he play per hour?
Quote: monet0412Your idea your rules I suppose.
You suppose correctly.
Quote: AyecarumbaHow did Ken do $ wise? Did he come out ahead after the 3,667 hands? I assume no "call attendant" hits.
I don't know yet. That will be easy to tell from the change in his balance between the beginning and end. On the machine I watched I didn't notice any big hits. He was dealt three deuces at least a few times but didn't hit four.
Nevertheless, I'll also throw it out there that I will do a separate record for playing a single machine.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIs this "Ken" a member here? Not asking for a screen name, just a simple yes or no.
Yes, but he has never posted. I won't reveal his handle without his permission.
As for using more than one machine, I don't think it spoils a record, but maybe it is a different animal since waiting for larger payouts to roll out slows the HPH. However, I think the HPH would be lower overall on multiple machines than staying at one machine since the operator has to physically move their hands and re-focus their eyes. Fast players that I have observed seem to be a trance, almost reacting without thinking, but not focusing on each card individually. The player's analysis of each hand starts with actually seeing and recognizing the values of the cards, so I would think having your eyes refocus on each hand would be tough to sustain for a whole hour.
Were the machines set on the highest speed, or is there an "overclock" option? When holding cards, did Ken use the buttons exclusively, or would he use the touchscreen too?
Quote: WizardSince so many people commented on it, I'll elaborate on the two machines issue. What I think is important is how many decisions one person can make per hour. Playing one hand on a 100-play machine is still one decision. If I'm going to have just one record, the player may choose any number of machines he wishes. Our challenger says he sometimes plays three, when the machines are close enough together. He is a very tall, so I'm not surprised.
Nevertheless, I'll also throw it out there that I will do a separate record for playing a single machine.
Technically, he should hold a one machine record and a two machine record so far.
He did play a single machine. He also played two machines.
Until someone plays a single machine faster, seems like he should hold it for single machine.
Quote: rxwineQuote: WizardSince so many people commented on it, I'll elaborate on the two machines issue. What I think is important is how many decisions one person can make per hour. Playing one hand on a 100-play machine is still one decision. If I'm going to have just one record, the player may choose any number of machines he wishes. Our challenger says he sometimes plays three, when the machines are close enough together. He is a very tall, so I'm not surprised.
Nevertheless, I'll also throw it out there that I will do a separate record for playing a single machine.
Technically, he should hold a one machine record and a two machine record so far.
He did play a single machine. He also played two machines.
Until someone plays a single machine faster, seems like he should hold it for single machine.
Very good point! I agree. I think there should be a "WoV Records" page where we can put these up, along with the McNugget Challenge archive, and other worthy board related achievements. Guinness doesn't have a lock on world record documentation. Who knows... the video documentation could be a YouTube channel that pays.
Now when I play Bonus Poker at the 25 Dollar Denom it is completely different. Mistakes matter and hurt beyond belief because of the dollar amount and because the game is 99.2 compared to 100.76 payback. You bet your behind you play slower and more careful. I still play that limit faster than I should but it is a completely different world all together. Also your constantly feeding the machine and cashing tickets out under 3k which takes time as well. The machine also locks up a bit more!
Honestly though depending on the Casino if I made some big error I would have them roll the machine back and pay me. Even at the 25 cent level if I mis clicked and threw a 4oak away I was talking to someone. It rarely happens when I play higher these days but I'll call them over and get it because I'm giving them crazy action.
Quote: monet0412Once again this is your thing. Do it the way you want. I only offer my perspective which is some constructive criticism. I want to stress how Denomination matters!! When I used to play FPDW every day and night I would play on 1, 2 or 3 machines depending on the Casino. This was usually at the 25 cent Denomination. At this level you can go as fast as the wind, making an error now and again and it really doesn't matter.
Now when I play Bonus Poker at the 25 Dollar Denom it is completely different. Mistakes matter and hurt beyond belief because of the dollar amount and because the game is 99.2 compared to 100.76 payback. You bet your behind you play slower and more careful. I still play that limit faster than I should but it is a completely different world all together. Also your constantly feeding the machine and cashing tickets out under 3k which takes time as well. The machine also locks up a bit more!
Honestly though depending on the Casino if I made some big error I would have them roll the machine back and pay me. Even at the 25 cent level if I mis clicked and threw a 4oak away I was talking to someone. It rarely happens when I play higher these days but I'll call them over and get it because I'm giving them crazy action.
yeah, I learned the hard way.
not $25 level but $2 level on 9/7 db. I was playing it fast like it was .25.
was dealt TJ3KA with jk suited. held jk. 1st card on redraw was Q.
could have won $50 from the straight. instead I whiffed. :(
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: monet0412Once again this is your thing. Do it the way you want. I only offer my perspective which is some constructive criticism. I want to stress how Denomination matters!! When I used to play FPDW every day and night I would play on 1, 2 or 3 machines depending on the Casino. This was usually at the 25 cent Denomination. At this level you can go as fast as the wind, making an error now and again and it really doesn't matter.
Now when I play Bonus Poker at the 25 Dollar Denom it is completely different. Mistakes matter and hurt beyond belief because of the dollar amount and because the game is 99.2 compared to 100.76 payback. You bet your behind you play slower and more careful. I still play that limit faster than I should but it is a completely different world all together. Also your constantly feeding the machine and cashing tickets out under 3k which takes time as well. The machine also locks up a bit more!
Honestly though depending on the Casino if I made some big error I would have them roll the machine back and pay me. Even at the 25 cent level if I mis clicked and threw a 4oak away I was talking to someone. It rarely happens when I play higher these days but I'll call them over and get it because I'm giving them crazy action.
yeah, I learned the hard way.
not $25 level but $2 level on 9/7 db. I was playing it fast like it was .25.
was dealt TJ3KA with jk suited. held jk. 1st card on redraw was Q.
could have won $50 from the straight. instead I whiffed. :(
In that nanosecond it would've taken you to hold the other two cards, you'd most likely have drawn a completely different card.
I have received RS's video on the right-side machine but haven't gone through it carefully yet. Thanks RS!
I did go through the left machine. Here are the details:
Time: 10 minutes, 15 seconds
Hands played: 218
Errors: 0
Yes, that is zero errors. I examined every single hand. Given that he played just as many with his right hand, that would put his speed at 2,552 hands per hour!
Quote: WizardTime for a progress report.
I have received RS's video on the right-side machine but haven't gone through it carefully yet. Thanks RS!
I did go through the left machine. Here are the details:
Time: 10 minutes, 15 seconds
Hands played: 218
Errors: 0
Yes, that is zero errors. I examined every single hand. Given that he played just as many with his right hand, that would put his speed at 2,552 hands per hour!
Interesting... That is if he never orders a drink or has to go to the bathroom or gets a phone call/text message. Oh and fatigue... sometimes your arms and back and shoulders and fingers get tired of banging the deal draw button(S) as fast as you can for hours upon hours but ok 2552 HPH. Is that going to be an official record for playing two machines at once?
FPDW is such an easy strategy... even the advanced version is pretty simple IMO so I am not that impressed that he had zero errors in ten mins of play. Sorry if I sound like such a prick but you know... Vegas can Jade you over time if you let it. What I will say is that once you know an advanced strategy to the T and can play days upon days without making errors it sets you up for all the games IMO. After playing years of advanced strategy for games like BP or JoB or FPDW it was very easy to transition into all versions of VP with the exception of Advanced Strategy for DB which took some time because it is a bit goofy with penalties. This was my experience but I think that playing hours upon hours of video games since I was 5 kinda helped being able to hammer VP Machines. I know others who can play 12 to 16 hours every day if they need or want to but I know many many more people who get tired or dizzy from playing after a short amount of time. Others just can't take the swings and run to the sports book or dice pit trying to get even. I guess like Axel said... if it was easy... everyone would be doing it!
Quote: monet0412Interesting... That is if he never orders a drink or has to go to the bathroom or gets a phone call/text message. Oh and fatigue... sometimes your arms and back and shoulders and fingers get tired of banging the deal draw button(S) as fast as you can for hours upon hours but ok 2552 HPH. Is that going to be an official record for playing two machines at once?
I mean, realistically, I see where you are coming from. But I’m not sure how you can factor bladder size, drinking habits, and how nagging one’s significant other is in a contest like this.
Quote: gamerfreakI mean, realistically, I see where you are coming from. But I’m not sure how you can factor bladder size, drinking habits, and how nagging one’s significant other is in a contest like this.
I just think that the time frame is bad. Ten mins of hammering gets you a record for HPH. That doesn't seem correct IMO. I mean I might be able to beat that ten minute record on two machines but that doesn't mean I can beat him in 8 hour sessions. I guess it doesn't matter. I mean I am not even involved or want to be involved. Something just bothers me about a ten minute session gets you an HPH Record. I dunno I'm losing my mind lol !!
I suppose this is hitting me at some personal level since it is what I do and what I have done for years upon years. I guess you could say the Wiz is pushing my buttons :)
Quote: monet0412I just think that the time frame is bad. Ten mins of hammering gets you a record for HPH. That doesn't seem correct IMO. I mean I might be able to beat that ten minute record on two machines but that doesn't mean I can beat him in 8 hour sessions. I guess it doesn't matter. I mean I am not even involved or want to be involved. Something just bothers me about a ten minute session gets you an HPH Record. I dunno I'm losing my mind lol !!
I suppose this is hitting me at some personal level since it is what I do and what I have done for years upon years. I guess you could say the Wiz is pushing my buttons :)
I definitely agree that extrapolating 10 mins of play to HPH is probably not at all accurate for most players. BUT...evaluating much more than 10 mins of video would be an excruciating chore.
Yes it could just also be practice. (and some fast acting neural connections)
Quote: gamerfreakI definitely agree that extrapolating 10 mins of play to HPH is probably not at all accurate for most players. BUT...evaluating much more than 10 mins of video would be an excruciating chore.
Am I supposed to record eight hours of play and then analyze every single hand? All I am saying is that at the rate I observed, he can play 2,552 hands per hour. This is a perfectly truthful statement. The work going into just ten minutes of play is already quite a bit.
During the Olympics I heard plenty of statements like, "Yusain Bolt ran at a speed of 30 miles per hour in the 100-meter dash." Nobody, that I knew of, got all hot and bothered with such statements. Nobody ever assumed he could run at that speed for a full hour. Why do I get all the negativity?
Top speed for a fighter jet is measured in MPH but no jet can go all out for an hour. I've gotten bikes up well over 130 MPH, but didn't do it for a full hour. Would anyone argue I wasn't going 130MPH? Imagine that defense in traffic court? I only went 30 miles, how could I possibly have been doing 120?
The standard has been set. If someone can do more hands in ten minutes than they also will be rated as that much more per hour.
Seems pretty simple.
Quote: WizardThe work going into just ten minutes of play is already quite a bit.
Suggestion for future -- if videos are posted here to link, people might actually help ID wrong hands when they see them and what minute/sec mark they are on the video.. Only thing you might need to do is count total number.
(if person wants to remain anonymous, you'll have to take that into consideration when you take video angles and such)
