Video poker for iPhone
Quote: Mikey75What would you recommend as a good VP training software for a iPhone? I was going to download the one wizard created but it doesn't seem to be available anymore.
Yes, the software became outdated. I have a proposal to update but it would take about five years to recoup my investment. I'm on the fence about it.
I have a basic one I wrote but it still needs a good bit of work before I could release it.
Quote: WizardYes, the software became outdated. I have a proposal to update but it would take about five years to recoup my investment. I'm on the fence about it.
I totally understand that!! I had purchased your software for a older phone. Unfortunately I don't still have that phone so I'm looking for something for my iPhone 7. Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply.
Quote: Mikey75I seen the winpoker one for $10. I think I'm going to go ahead and get it. Have you used it at all?
Yup, it’s not pretty but it works decently.
Quote: gamerfreakYup, it’s not pretty but it works decently.
Agreed
Why do you need or want it on your phone?Quote: Mikey75What would you recommend as a good VP training software for a iPhone? I was going to download the one wizard created but it doesn't seem to be available anymore.
Also, why do you need it in the first place?
Quote: AxelWolfWhy do you need or want it on your phone?
Also, why do you need it in the first place?
Sometimes you see a pay table in the casino you don't know the return for. Also, can play for fun when there's nothing else to do.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy do you need or want it on your phone?
Also, why do you need it in the first place?
I liked having Video Poker Wizard on my iPhone in order to have quick access to ROR calcs at my fingertips, and to be able to train at any time. This was especially useful when I didn’t have a strong internet connection to access other resources. Unfortunately, it no longer opens now that I upgraded to IOS 11.
Also, my phone has been my only computer, as my PC crashed right about the time I quit my job to AP full time. (Can you say Murphy’s Law?!?) lol-sort of
Quote: gamerfreakWinPoker has an iOS version for $10
Anybody familiar with WinPoker for IOS features?
-ROR calc?
-trainer?
-strategy maker?
-customize games/paytables?
Thank you!
Quote: camaplAnybody familiar with WinPoker for IOS features?
-ROR calc?
-trainer?
-strategy maker?
-customize games/paytables?
Thank you!
http://zamzone.com/iPhone/index.asp
Calculating machines, calculating hands, AP stuff, for practice, for fun or all of the above. Not that $10 is a big deal but I was just wondering if there was a free alternative for him.
Quote: AxelWolfI know why someone might want and need it, I was wondering why HE needed it and what HE was using it for.
Calculating machines, calculating hands, AP stuff, for practice, for fun or all of the above. Not that $10 is a big deal but I was just wondering if there was a free alternative for him.
Unfortunately none of the free stuff I’ve tried on iOS has been very good. Which is why I started writing my own VP and BJ trainers, but like Wiz said it’s a huge investment in either time or money. I really want to get them to a point where I can release them, but work for guaranteed money unfortunately takes precedent.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy do you need or want it on your phone?
Also, why do you need it in the first place?
I thought I was pretty good at strategy but trying out a free version, that only give you limited spins, I realized I had gotten a little rusty. The longest streak I had was 30 hands without a mistake. My computer is so old I rarely ever use it. I use my phone for everything. When I had Wizards app I used it for training and also to figure paytables. I hope to hit some full pay machines when I get to Vegas and I wanted to be able to play them with the best strategy possible.
That said, will I look like a cheap bastard if I refuse to give reimbursements or discounts to existing users or will the public understand the situation I'm in and pay for the new version. It's only $10, for crying out loud.
Quote: rsactuaryChange the name slightly and release as a new app?
I think this could be a workable solution.
Quote: Wizard
That said, will I look like a cheap bastard if I refuse to give reimbursements or discounts to existing users or will the public understand the situation I'm in and pay for the new version. It's only $10, for crying out loud.
I (and others, probably) are being the cheap bastards and just not updating from iOS 10. Though I'm also fearful other paid apps won't work, not just VPW.
Quote: WizardLet me ask the forum this. As a preface, it would take me about five years to recoup my investment if I paid to redo WizPoker, assuming the same price of $10. However, I'm afraid everybody who had the old version will hold out his hand and ask me to reimburse him for the cost of the update. Even if I gave a discount to people who had the first version, which there is almost no way to verify, it would stretch out the break-even point to where it isn't profitable for me to re-release it.
That said, will I look like a cheap bastard if I refuse to give reimbursements or discounts to existing users or will the public understand the situation I'm in and pay for the new version. It's only $10, for crying out loud.
If I may ask....how much does it cost to develop the app? Do you pay someone to do it or do you consider the cost your time spent developing it? Do you have any statistics on how many people bought the first version?
Quote: RSIf I may ask....how much does it cost to develop the app? Do you pay someone to do it or do you consider the cost your time spent developing it? Do you have any statistics on how many people bought the first version?
Not answering for him, but I can give a little insight since I do it for a living.
It completely depends on the complexity for the app, but the least I would charge for a mobile video poker app, depending on exactly what features it required, would be $10k. You also need to put some money into regular maintenance of the app, when new iOS versions/phones come out. Plus Apple will take apps off they AppStore that don’t get updates for a long period of time.
Apple is using this shift to 64-bits-only to clean house for old unsupported apps, of which there are many thousands.
Quote: rsactuaryChange the name slightly and release as a new app?
Hmmm. I was very proud of the VP Wizard and would like to keep that branding. Hate to give it up just because I'm too cheap to give discounts.
You owe nothing to previous purchasers assuming the application works as advertised and there is no guarantee of compatibility with future operating environments. If they don’t upgrade their iPhone they can continue to use the application. If they shell out $700 for a new cell I’m sure they can squeeze out another $10 for an application that has value. If they are still using an old model iPhone it’s an expected and trivial cost of continuing operating system improvements.Quote: Wizard... if I paid to redo WizPoker ... I'm afraid everybody who had the old version will hold out his hand and ask me to reimburse him for the cost of the update. ...
Is it possible the owners of this site would be willing to invest the money and offer it 100% free to advertise LCB, WOO and WOV?
Free for anyone who deposits at xyz casino?
Quote: AxelWolfHow many more people would download the app if it were 100% free?
Is it possible the owners of this site would be willing to invest the money and offer it 100% free to advertise WOO and WOV?
Free for anyone who deposits at xyz casino?
I think that is a great idea!! Have the free version pop up a add for WOV upon opening the app and possibly even every five minutes or so while playing the app. Pay $10 and the adds go away. I personally rarely ever purchase a app that doesn't have a free version to test out first. If I like the app and don't want the bother of the adds I'll upgrade to a paid version.
Quote: WizardLet me ask the forum this. As a preface, it would take me about five years to recoup my investment if I paid to redo WizPoker, assuming the same price of $10. However, I'm afraid everybody who had the old version will hold out his hand and ask me to reimburse him for the cost of the update. Even if I gave a discount to people who had the first version, which there is almost no way to verify, it would stretch out the break-even point to where it isn't profitable for me to re-release it.
That said, will I look like a cheap bastard if I refuse to give reimbursements or discounts to existing users or will the public understand the situation I'm in and pay for the new version. It's only $10, for crying out loud.
First of all, you are under no obligation to offer any discount if there is any sort of significant improvement to it. You certainly don't owe anybody a "free" upgrade; that is the difference between an "upgrade" (a major change, which almost always has a cost) and an "update" (a minor change, usually just to fix bugs, and is usually free).
If the current version is version 1 point something, then calling a new version 2.0 makes it clear that this is a significant upgrade, and the fact that it is only $10 means you have every right to charge the full amount to version 1.0 owners. Just make sure that the changes are significant enough to warrant the "new version" label.
What would the updated version have that the current one does not, anyway?
Big bonus for you if you make it android compatible this time.
Keep it ad-free though. You'll sell many more. Howevrr, there must be a huge overlap.between those that would buy your app and those playing at.videopoker.Com. and they make the user pick between 10/mo subscription and free but with ads. So the model for that working is out there.
Quote: beachbumbabsBig bonus for you if you make it android compatible this time.
Much easier said than done. Unless you shell out hundreds of dollars for a compiler that will convert the same code to the two different platforms, iOS and Android use entirely different languages and user interface layout systems.
Anybody else ever have to try to duplicate an Android layout XML in an iOS Storyboard?
Quote: ThatDonGuyMuch easier said than done. Unless you shell out hundreds of dollars for a compiler that will convert the same code to the two different platforms, iOS and Android use entirely different languages and user interface layout systems.
Anybody else ever have to try to duplicate an Android layout XML in an iOS Storyboard?
Xamarin, React Native, and Unity are the 3 of the more popular cross platform frameworks right now. Xamarin and Unity are free unless you have a bunch of devs or are making 6 figures on your apps. React is open source.
With Xamarin and I think React, the code for the logic of your app is shared, but you need to create the U.I. separately for iOS and Android.
Quote: gamerfreakQuote: ThatDonGuyMuch easier said than done. Unless you shell out hundreds of dollars for a compiler that will convert the same code to the two different platforms, iOS and Android use entirely different languages and user interface layout systems.
Anybody else ever have to try to duplicate an Android layout XML in an iOS Storyboard?
Xamarin, React Native, and Unity are the 3 of the more popular cross platform frameworks right now. Xamarin and Unity are free unless you have a bunch of devs or are making 6 figures on your apps. React is open source.
With Xamarin and I think React, the code for the logic of your app is shared, but you need to create the U.I. separately for iOS and Android.
Xamarin is free? Since when?
Never mind that...there's a version of Visual Studio for the Mac?
Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: gamerfreakQuote: ThatDonGuyMuch easier said than done. Unless you shell out hundreds of dollars for a compiler that will convert the same code to the two different platforms, iOS and Android use entirely different languages and user interface layout systems.
Anybody else ever have to try to duplicate an Android layout XML in an iOS Storyboard?
Xamarin, React Native, and Unity are the 3 of the more popular cross platform frameworks right now. Xamarin and Unity are free unless you have a bunch of devs or are making 6 figures on your apps. React is open source.
With Xamarin and I think React, the code for the logic of your app is shared, but you need to create the U.I. separately for iOS and Android.
Xamarin is free? Since when?
Never mind that...there's a version of Visual Studio for the Mac?
Since Microsoft bought them. They’ve been making a lot of moves in the developer space lately.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhy couldn't you charge $11 new, $9 upgrade, and recoup expense in about the same period?
I thought of this as well, except $12 and $8, respectively, which is inconsequential. As you, Wiz, already pointed out, how does one prove prior ownership? I have purchased the app; however, I no longer have access to it, as I have already upgraded to IOS 11.
Quote: ThatDonGuyIf the current version is version 1 point something, then calling a new version 2.0 makes it clear that this is a significant upgrade...
++!
Although I for one would probably pay another $10 for the same app that is supported on IOS 11+, I would prefer an upgraded version without ads. For this, I would be willing to pay an unspecified amount greater than $10. The feature that I would find most useful is the addition of strategy guides. Even if just the “basic strategy” version without exceptions. Next would be analysis tools that include the option to use BS figures and calcs in addition to those for perfect play. After that (in no particular order), a fully customizable paytable (like VPGenius.com once had), the ability to isolate specific quads, and/or the ability to isolate natural hands in wild games.
Hope you find the feedback useful! Thanks, Wiz!
I have 2 other apps that I rely on frequently that haven't made updates. I almost feel like offering to purchase the rights to those apps so I can update them and recoup the cost myself. Unfortunately, the damage may be done with these apps, and users will be searching for alternatives rather than waiting for updates.
I'm sure someone will ask, so I'll remind the audience that between 2012 and 2016 (I don't recall the exact starting and ending dates) my share after Apple's cut was $13,610. The code will need to be modernized to make it compatible with IOS 11.
An app developer, who comes highly recommend, gave an estimate of $8,190 to bring back the Video Poker Wizard to the iPhone and guaranteed it wouldn’t go over that by more than 50%. The cost to do an Adroid version after that would be much less, given that their coders know both languages. Of course, the buyer can choose any developer he wishes or do it himself.
Quote: gamerfreakPersonally I think developers should be responsible to keep apps updated once sold. If it doesn't make financial sense to do so, the price/revenue model should be changed. Otherwise, how do buyer's know that they won't be required to put out another $10 every time there is an iOS update?
That's a fair point. Again, I apologize to everyone who bought the app for it falling out of date. The one I hired to write it didn't keep up with changes in Objective C and wasn't interested in getting up to speed and modernizing it. I also think some blame should be cast at Apple for not making their operating system backwards compatible.
True dat! Why isn't Apple taking more heat for this practice? Are iPhone users so conditioned to pay for the newest shiny thing that they just don't care?Quote: Wizard...I also think some blame should be cast at Apple for not making their operating system backwards compatible.
Quote: AyecarumbaAre iPhone users so conditioned to pay for the newest shiny thing that they just don't care?
Yes, that about sums it up.
I tried to like the android operating system but I just didn't like it as well as iPhone. I actually sold my almost new Samsung galaxy to get back into a older version of a iPhone after I made the switch to android. I don't however like the practices apple does with everything from older apps not being compatible to charge cables not working if they aren't made by apple.
Congratulations on the pending sale Wizard!' I hope it goes through for you.
Quote: jml24I would hope the update would also fix some settings bugs I reported a while ago.
Can you remind me what they are?
Quote: jml24Also a big part of the draw is that it is the "official Wizard approved VP app."
This is the main reason I haven't already pulled the plug on purchasing a different app. I'm afraid some of the other apps may not be 100% in their strategy. I'm not knowledgeable enough to catch it if it isn't 100%. I hate to think that I would be learning how to play on a app that wasn't right. If Wizard gave his approval I wouldn't be concerned about it at all.
I will expect a commission on the sale.Quote: WizardI am happy to announce that our site owner, Josh, has agreed to buy JB's code for the Video Poker Wizard. Obviously, he wouldn't spend the money if he didn't intend to bring it back to the market. I was in communication with the same app developers he uses. They estimated it would take three months to re-code. So, the new version should be ready for purchase in early 2018.
