An OOPS! and a Question
So, after I contact Simon23 and tell him my good fortune he says I kept the 4th worst hold. Oops, I forgot about QJT off suit. It is clearly a higher hold on my strategy card and it was definitely a mistake that would have cost me on most days. However I tell him that JT is the second best hold not the fourth best. He tells me according to the Wizard's Video Poker APP for the IPhone that QJT off suit is the highest hold followed QJ off suit and JT2 suited with JT bringing up the rear.
The order of holds on VPFW program goes QJT off suit, JT suited, QJ off suit, followed by JT2 suited.
So, which is correct?
And yes, I set it to 9/7 DB.
Quote: DRichI think Simon is correct on this one. Are you sure your strategy card is for 9/7 Double Bonus?
This is what VPFW spits out for 9/7 DB
9/7/5 DB is a difficult game to play, for what it's worth.
The wizard's strategy at https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/double-bonus/10-7/ appears to be wrong.
Quote: sabreThe 3rd club is enough of a penalty to the JTc to drive it below QJo. In general though, QJTo is better than QJo or JTs.
The wizard's strategy at https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/double-bonus/10-7/ appears to be wrong.
Looks like that's 10/7, not 9/7.
Quote: RSLooks like that's 10/7, not 9/7.
Unless I'm reading it wrong it appears JT suited is higher than QJT off suit in this strategy. So, according to that I made no mistake? Now I'm even more confused. Is the EV so close that it doesn't matter?
Quote: cmlotitoUnless I'm reading it wrong it appears JT suited is higher than QJT off suit in this strategy. So, according to that I made no mistake? Now I'm even more confused. Is the EV so close that it doesn't matter?
Look at the picture I took using the hand analyzer.
This is why I prefer them. Strategy charts don't always tell the full story.
Quote: cmlotitoSo I keep the JT. And get this....
Congratulations on the royal!
I'm loving the strategy discussion. Usually the shoulda, coulda, wouldas are for more favorable outcomes, but you got the optimal outcome!
Quote: IbeatyouracesLook at the picture I took using the hand analyzer.
This is why I prefer them. Strategy charts don't always tell the full story.
If you know of any good ones for Android I'm willing to give it a go.
Quote: cmlotitoUnless I'm reading it wrong it appears JT suited is higher than QJT off suit in this strategy. So, according to that I made no mistake? Now I'm even more confused. Is the EV so close that it doesn't matter?
Nevermind, I see it is for 10/7 DB, not 9/7.
Quote: cmlotitoIf you know of any good ones for Android I'm willing to give it a go.
I just use the Wizards over on WoO.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/hand-analyzer/
Make sure you put in the correct game and change the pay table to the appropriate one you're playing. I sometimes use it, discreetly, when playing DW.
Quote: StrangeMageis it universally allowed to consult an electronic device on VP? i figure a card would be acceptable but a phone/website?
Probably depends on the jurisdiction. That's why I said "discreetly."
Quote: RSLooks like that's 10/7, not 9/7.
So what? Paying 9 for the FH only strengthens the QJTo hand. My point stands.
Congrats, that's really lucky getting a RF while making that "mistake". Were you thinking positive while playing? I hear that's all it takes.
Be extra vigilant and Look both ways while crossing the street next time.
Quote: sabreSo what? Paying 9 for the FH only strengthens the QJTo hand. My point stands.
I was busy when I posted that, so didn't get to write much. But mostly pointing out it was 10/7, not 9/7, so cmlotito or someone else wouldn't accidentially think it's a strategy for their game or something like that. But yes I agree, TJQo is the proper hold in that case.
Quote: AxelWolf
Congrats, that's really lucky getting a RF while making that "mistake". Were you thinking positive while playing? I hear that's all it takes.
My overriding thought was "Where the F**k have all the quads gone?" Still haven't gotten a quad in over 1500 hands (rough estimate). I'm due......right? :)
That was my fourth royal this year. And first ever jackpot on single line royal or otherwise.
So really about 400 :)Quote: cmlotito1500 hands (rough estimate).
Quote: AxelWolfSo really about 400 :)
If I got a quad every 400 hands, I wouldn't complain. Isn't it about every 423 hands to get a quad on average?
Yep, if you are playing 9/6. Oddly enough, it actually takes 424 hands on bonus poker deluxe. I have to think its because of the inside straight draws you make on that game. Double the 4 of a kind (I have had the pleasure of playing a few promotions that have done that) and you get it down to 399 hands with a mouth watering 118% advantage.Quote: cmlotitoIf I got a quad every 400 hands, I wouldn't complain. Isn't it about every 423 hands to get a quad on average?
Quote: cmlotitoIf I got a quad every 400 hands, I wouldn't complain. Isn't it about every 423 hands to get a quad on average?
Yes you would, at least if you're typical.
Just because they are winning, or playing a winning game, doesn't stop video poker players from complaining! Complaining seems to be an occupational hazard.
If you had a 104% game with a 0.1% slot club --- and the casino cancelled a double point promotion that had been advertised --- players would yell to high heavens and insist the casino was run by greedy bastards.
Excluding promotions, progressives and programming mistakes, have you ever seen a VP machine manufactured that was over 103.5%?Quote: BobDancerYes you would, at least if you're typical.
Just because they are winning, or playing a winning game, doesn't stop video poker players from complaining! Complaining seems to be an occupational hazard.
If you had a 104% game with a 0.1% slot club --- and the casino cancelled a double point promotion that had been advertised --- players would yell to high heavens and insist the casino was run by greedy bastards.
Quote: AxelWolfExcluding promotions, progressives and programming mistakes, have you ever seen a VP machine manufactured that was over 103.5%?
I vaguely remember a WMS machine that was 105% or so about 15 years ago. I don't think it lasted long and I had no idea until it was gone.
Quote: StrangeMageis it universally allowed to consult an electronic device on VP? i figure a card would be acceptable but a phone/website?
Definitely not. It's illegal in Nevada and probably most other states. I've never heard of a prosecution though. It's likely not worth the fight to the casino unless a lot of money is on the line. But bad PR can be costly, look at United.
Quote: AxelWolfExcluding promotions, progressives and programming mistakes, have you ever seen a VP machine manufactured that was over 103.5%?
I don't think I've seen a base game higher than that.
But including promotions, I've seen several.
The point of my post wouldn't be significantly different had I said 103% rather than 104%.
I agree, I was just curious as to why you chose that. Was not sure if it was just something you chose or there was a specific game with a 104% return. Excluding the exceptions I mentioned, Draw till you win and All-American were the highest I have encountered.Quote: BobDancer
The point of my post wouldn't be significantly different had I said 103% rather than 104%.
I see Drich said there may have been a higher percentage on Willams. I was aware of their being a glitch on the Willams, but I was not aware of a 105% paytable, certainly not on the few I encountered.
Quote: tringlomaneDefinitely not. It's illegal in Nevada and probably most other states. I've never heard of a prosecution though. It's likely not worth the fight to the casino unless a lot of money is on the line. But bad PR can be costly, look at United.
I don't think "definitely" is the proper word here. From what I've read, the regulations are rather vague.
