Worst VP Paytable ever?
December 28th, 2016 at 10:09:17 AM
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I saw this at Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls, Canada.
If I'm doing it correctly, the return on this is 84.42%. Yikes!!!???!!?!?!?
Edit.. I can't figure out how to load up a pic using imgur anymore.
Paytable for 5 coins..
RF 4000
SF 400
4A 400
4 (2-4) 200
4 (5-K) 125
FH 30
Flush 25
Straight 20
3oaK 15
2 Pr 5
JoB 5
If I'm doing it correctly, the return on this is 84.42%. Yikes!!!???!!?!?!?
Edit.. I can't figure out how to load up a pic using imgur anymore.
Paytable for 5 coins..
RF 4000
SF 400
4A 400
4 (2-4) 200
4 (5-K) 125
FH 30
Flush 25
Straight 20
3oaK 15
2 Pr 5
JoB 5
December 28th, 2016 at 10:22:33 AM
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December 28th, 2016 at 10:28:45 AM
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Wow! In Canada? Where the education system still seems to be working??
I would have expected it to be more likely in the US where so many cars seem to have the "Ignorant and Proud Of It!" bumper stickers. It's probably coming soon to a casino near me. Ugh!
I would have expected it to be more likely in the US where so many cars seem to have the "Ignorant and Proud Of It!" bumper stickers. It's probably coming soon to a casino near me. Ugh!
December 28th, 2016 at 10:29:32 AM
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Thank you to coilman for helping me get that loaded up.
December 28th, 2016 at 10:39:28 AM
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Quote: LuckyPhowWow! In Canada? Where the education system still seems to be working??
but in Ontario it costs the casino millions more to run those machines .... land of the most expensive electricity rates in all of North America
http://www.windontario.ca/
December 28th, 2016 at 11:44:37 PM
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Anyone want to file a complaint with the gaming commission? I'm lazy, and an American non-patron.
http://www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/resolve_complaints.pdf
VP requires a min payback of 88% in Ontario using optimal strategy, so all bet selections are in violation. Page 51, Section 20.1.4
http://www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/EGM_standards_march2014.pdf
I figured IGT didn't ship machines that fell outside the legal payback ranges. I also thought I read somewhere on IGTs media sheets in the past Game Kings didn't go below 8/5/4/3/1/1 Bonus (86.31%). Guess I was wrong.
http://www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/resolve_complaints.pdf
VP requires a min payback of 88% in Ontario using optimal strategy, so all bet selections are in violation. Page 51, Section 20.1.4
http://www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/EGM_standards_march2014.pdf
I figured IGT didn't ship machines that fell outside the legal payback ranges. I also thought I read somewhere on IGTs media sheets in the past Game Kings didn't go below 8/5/4/3/1/1 Bonus (86.31%). Guess I was wrong.
December 29th, 2016 at 12:55:03 AM
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What am I missing? Notice two pair ddb style, with db quad pays. 8/5 is 99, take away 2% for the fh short pay, two pair short pay, 5%, so 92%, ignoring the straight flush bump.
I am a robot.
December 29th, 2016 at 2:06:55 AM
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The paytable does not pay "DB quad pays", it pays regular BP quad pays (400, 200, 125 respectively).
WoO says it's 84.42%.
2-pair pays about 25% if it's 2-for-1, and about 12% if it's 1-for-1. So each 'tick' is about 12%.
WoO says it's 84.42%.
2-pair pays about 25% if it's 2-for-1, and about 12% if it's 1-for-1. So each 'tick' is about 12%.
December 29th, 2016 at 2:20:19 AM
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There it is, thanks. I don't play double bonus or bonus poker enough to realize it. They found their sneaky way. Always wondered how they'd go to 5/5, 5/4, 4/4, 4/3, 3/3 and not have people needing antidepressants.
I am a robot.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:36:50 AM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleThere it is, thanks. I don't play double bonus or bonus poker enough to realize it. They found their sneaky way. Always wondered how they'd go to 5/5, 5/4, 4/4, 4/3, 3/3 and not have people needing antidepressants.
I played this BP paytable today in California, but only for about 15 minutes. The royal progressive put it at barely under 100%, whereas reset is 94 and change. I thought THAT was bad.
1-1-3-5-8-10-25-40-80-50-800
This is a difficult game. I play it so rarely that I'm not freshly schooled on it. It's a challenge. I knew I was rusty and was only going to play for a short period, and I had other things to do.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:57:03 AM
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The name of the game was one I had not seen before... which is why I took the picture of the paytable... not realizing it was SO BAD. And then didn't get the name in my picture lol. Glad I didn't play it!
For the record this was a bartop machine, on the floor they have a wider array of VP with more reasonable paytables.... not terrific ones, but not an embarrassment like this, either.
For the record this was a bartop machine, on the floor they have a wider array of VP with more reasonable paytables.... not terrific ones, but not an embarrassment like this, either.
December 29th, 2016 at 7:22:17 AM
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Quote: tringlomaneAnyone want to file a complaint with the gaming commission? I'm lazy, and an American non-patron.
http://www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/resolve_complaints.pdf
VP requires a min payback of 88% in Ontario using optimal strategy, so all bet selections are in violation. Page 51, Section 20.1.4
http://www.agco.on.ca/pdfs/en/EGM_standards_march2014.pdf
I figured IGT didn't ship machines that fell outside the legal payback ranges. I also thought I read somewhere on IGTs media sheets in the past Game Kings didn't go below 8/5/4/3/1/1 Bonus (86.31%). Guess I was wrong.
I might give this a try.
