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October 31st, 2019 at 3:09:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Skip started VP free.



I didn't even know that. See? I'm still a dummy. I've been playing a few years and I'm still a dummy.

Speaking of Skip, coincidence, just maybe two weeks ago I was going through a hard drive from a computer in my closet that was full of dust and just sitting there for years. I found a half dozen copies of some old "vp player" magazine in pdf files, I think it was Skip's, and I don't even remember how or where I got them from.

As I'm just thinking now, maybe it would have been better if someone had put together a bunch of good info like that and charged a couple thousand dollars for the book. I know there are books like that, not naming any, and people do pay the price. And if someone pays a couple thousand dollars for a book, they're not going to open their mouth to even tell their own grandmother for free.
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October 31st, 2019 at 6:38:44 PM permalink
If interested in real name do as I did. Enter companies owned by —- corporations reports are public info. Look at report You can easily deduct by seeing the two names. Thus I have not invaded anyone’s privacy or pissed of one of his friends who defend him.
In fairness there are many people in video poker sales No one should be singling out him. I will stand by my comment these companies and certain individuals have destroyed the game.
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November 1st, 2019 at 12:33:34 AM permalink
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No one should be singling out him. I will stand by my comment these companies and certain individuals have destroyed the game.

You need to learn to adapt. For those who think video poker was dead once they start killing all the pay tables are dead wrong. Video poker actually got better for people who adapted. Video poker didn't get better because the pay tables got worse, it had nothing to do with that, it just so happened that the industry norm was changing as the good pay tables were dying out. Sure, it would be nice to have the things that were killed by TMI remain on top of chang. It would also be nice if all the casinos would just make a deal with me and others and cut us a check not to play anymore. Now I just got to figure out what that number would be for me to take the deal.



Someone can certainly debate me on this, but I noticed once all the multi-line video poker games proliferated that the promotions drastically got worse. The casinos no longer wanted to have double four of a kind and special hand promotions, double Royal promotions, Bingo Card promotions etc. I'm not saying they didn't come along, but I noticed a drastic drop in good promotions like that in a very short period of time after the multi lines at the casinos.
I can't say that I blame the casinos since all promotions like that suddenly become significantly more valuable to an advantage player and it created a situation where promotional funds run out many times faster while causing casinos way more work in a less time. Prayers that good for a casino to disallow multi-line games for promotions or discourage people from playing multi-line games if they only allow it on bottom line only.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 1st, 2019 at 6:49:33 AM permalink
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November 1st, 2019 at 7:12:55 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You need to learn to adapt. For those who think video poker was dead once they start killing all the pay tables are dead wrong. Video poker actually got better for people who adapted. Video poker didn't get better because the pay tables got worse, it had nothing to do with that, it just so happened that the industry norm was changing as the good pay tables were dying out. Sure, it would be nice to have the things that were killed by TMI remain on top of chang. It would also be nice if all the casinos would just make a deal with me and others and cut us a check not to play anymore. Now I just got to figure out what that number would be for me to take the deal.



Someone can certainly debate me on this, but I noticed once all the multi-line video poker games proliferated that the promotions drastically got worse. The casinos no longer wanted to have double four of a kind and special hand promotions, double Royal promotions, Bingo Card promotions etc. I'm not saying they didn't come along, but I noticed a drastic drop in good promotions like that in a very short period of time after the multi lines at the casinos.
I can't say that I blame the casinos since all promotions like that suddenly become significantly more valuable to an advantage player and it created a situation where promotional funds run out many times faster while causing casinos way more work in a less time. Prayers that good for a casino to disallow multi-line games for promotions or discourage people from playing multi-line games if they only allow it on bottom line only.



Complaining is so much easier than adapting.
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November 6th, 2019 at 3:30:13 AM permalink
Video poker has changed from an advantage game to an entertainment game. Some small pockets of profit still exist. The majority of us pay to play. My goal is to pay a fair price for my entertainment. The information I learned from Bob Dancer helps me do this. I find his VPW software extremely useful. It seems every time I go to the casino, they have changed the odds. I use his software to tell me what changes need to be made. Without his help, I would not have paid attention to comps and incentives. Without those, my cost to play would be much higher.

The casinos want me to believe I can beat them. Some players do. I don't. That doesn't mean Bob Dancer and the casinos are working against me. It means they are operating a commercial business. I know I am going to pay to play and I don't mind as long as I can control the amount.
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November 6th, 2019 at 6:22:20 AM permalink
I've always found it funny how Ed Thorp never gets vilified for Beat the Dealer. I've never once heard a negative thing about the man or his work. Yet, people were counting before his book came out. I'm sure Beat the Dealer was not good for them.

I believe the world would be a better place with unfettered access to truthful information. I think Bob Dancer and Ed Thorp would agree.
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November 6th, 2019 at 11:32:00 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've always found it funny how Ed Thorp never gets vilified for Beat the Dealer. I've never once heard a negative thing about the man or his work. Yet, people were counting before his book came out. I'm sure Beat the Dealer was not good for them.

I believe the world would be a better place with unfettered access to truthful information. I think Bob Dancer and Ed Thorp would agree.




Interesting point, indeed.

Regarding "unfettered access to truthful information", it made me think of so many things that I'm not supposed to talk about now that we have the "new rule".

Good post, Wiz.
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November 6th, 2019 at 1:34:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



I believe the world would be a better place with unfettered access to truthful information. .

Said the guy who profits from putting out information "for free".

When the world pays your bills and your better than average lifestyle let me know.

Would you have done all this work totally anonymously for zero potential profits?

What if every time you put up new information you lost money?
That's what happens to advantage players. TMI = less long term overall profits for advantage players.

In the end, it comes down to where you want the money to flow. Some to the Advantage players or all to the casinos.

p.s. The world would be a better place without casinos.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 7th, 2019 at 4:21:45 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

p.s. The world would be a better place without casinos.

I disagree. Casinos provide entertainment. They are no different than golf courses, bowling alleys and movie theaters. They give people an escape and a place to spend quality time with others. All the negative consequences that come out of casinos are a result of players believing the casino is there to make them a profit. That is what the casino wants you to believe and why they spend millions of dollars to market the idea.

The casino is a business. Bob Dancer is a business. This website is a business. If they all didn't make a profit, they wouldn't exist. There is no one forcing anyone to overpay for casino entertainment. You choose the amount of your wagers and the time to invest. If you don't get your money's worth, it's not the fault of anyone else.

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