8/5 JoB in PA vs 9/6 in AC

Edit: evidently, title says nothing. I meant to write "7/5 JoB in PA vs 9/6 in AC"

Title says all.

Because AC is so far from us, my friends and I go only once a year. I typically bring a $500 bankroll. I also incur around 10 dollars in gas, with another 40 dollars or so for a room.

My friends dad frequents Sands in PA. It drives me absolutely up the wall that they do not have 9/6 at the 25c level. However, I would not be incurring the 50 dollars or so in misc. fees. He goes rather frequently, so id probably bring 200 dollars twice a year (at least), or up to 5 times a year, to try my luck.

For my own curiousity, would eliminating that $50 in travel costs make the 7/5 a better game for me, given my bankroll?

I should mention that the $50 dollars DOES NOT tale away from my BR. Perhaps a better question is whether or not 7/5 would have a smaller loss/hr in this case?

8/5 is 2.2 percent worse
On a 500 bankroll assuming you play 10k coin in. Then you would be losing 220 more then playing 9-6 job

If you are only playing for two hours and on a 200 bankroll. Assuming 600 hands an hours for two hours then 1600 coin in a then you are losing about 35 dollars more

Not exact numbers

First of all. every time you run that $500 through a machine, you will lose about $2.50 if the machine is 9/6 and about $13 if it is 9/6. At moderate speeds, that would be about an hour of play at the .25 level. So if you play ten hours, expect to lose $25 versus $130 by staying home and playing at the Sands.

The $50 in travel costs DOES take away from your bankroll in that you subtract your bankroll from your total wealth. If your total wealth is less because of expenses, you cannot afford as much bankroll, or you make yourself that much poorer by setting it aside.

There's something else you're not considering. Time is an expense. You spend several hours driving back and forth. Your time has value (after all, if you have a job, someone is buying that time), and that's just as much an expense as gas, tolls, and rooms. So the cost of going to where there are better games is actually that much greater. In fact, this is a major reason why Indian casinos have been taking market share away from Vegas--Vegas isn't near anyplace else, so it costs time and money to get there. If you have, say, a weekend available, you'll spend a substantial portion of that time just getting there and back. Better, maybe, to stay home and play at the nearby Scalp the White Man casino. Depends on your action and how you value your time. Based on the above calculation, you'll lose $100 more by playing at the Sands. But you may spend much more in time and money to get to AC.

Also, many consider that the trip and the destination are worthy objectives in and of themselves. This is not true of Atlantic City, however--it's like taking a trip to Chernobyl.

Consider this.

When you go to the Sands in PA, you are at the Sands for the day. When you go to AC you have your choice of casinos. Do you want to be confined to one casino in PA or casino-hop in AC?

The choice is yours.

Very interesting insight guys. Just checked vpfree2, and 25c JoB is actually 7/5 at the Sands :(

Quote: lankykong1589

Very interesting insight guys. Just checked vpfree2, and 25c JoB is actually 7/5 at the Sands :(

That is so cheap of them. They could afford giving away all that money to the Asians on the buses, but not better than 7/5. I'm confused why so many casinos have nothing good listed there, but they actually list which is nothing good for the Sands.

VP in all of Pennsylvania seems rampant with very stingy paytables. 7/5 seems like a huge ripoff and I'd feel nickled and dimed if I were to go. Convenience be damned, looks like Im gunna stick with AC for now.

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VP in all of Pennsylvania seems rampant with very stingy paytables. 7/5 seems like a huge ripoff and I'd feel nickled and dimed if I were to go. Convenience be damned, looks like Im gunna stick with AC for now.

Meadows around here advertises " the loosest slots, period, with video poker up to 99% and slots up to 98%" and people believe it! 99% of their video poker is 6/5 job and ddb quarters all the way up to dollars 6/5. Truth be told, those games are disrespectful, but better than slots.

Have you checked all the machines? They might have higher returns not advertised on the vpfree site. Maybe look at dstp and stp, or quick quads. I've noticed on dstp you can find better returns on ten play, then just play less hands. Otherwise maybe play nickels or dimes if you must accept a lower return to be with your friends.

I think meadows had better machines up until last year - then poof- gone

Quote: Wizardofnothing

I think meadows had better machines up until last year - then poof- gone

I never really liked the place
. They actually ripped me off on a free play offer, and ripped me off in writing inaccurately describing the offer, then didn't make good. My mom was sick, so just put it off and never went back officially. They sent the same offer and somehow I believed I could take advantage of it now I understood it, so didn't want carded play. Marketing mentioned in one letter, they noticed I hadn't been back, and it was funny the players club blamed marketing for the mail fraud I had received.

What it was, was a loss rebate I didn't know was a loss rebate. It had said play $250, get $250 in free play. Sent an email asking if they meant coin-in, and they replied yes. Turned out I lost $150 and got $150 free play, but not $250 free play. I let them have it over and over, closed and closed, but they just kept making excuse after excuse. Finally was given the excuse I needed to talk to someone not there, and that was that. It was swept under the rug because I don't need to deal with people like that who misled me to coming there.

Long ago I used to like dilly dallying playing Big Ben. Seemed fair, people had luck, always people playing different bet sizes, some playing 5c. Some $2. Pretty obvious at some point it was just a complete rip. All jackpots $50ish and just a few betting dimes or quarters. Wouldn't even matter if it was a loose casino if the machines you play are the biggest jokes.

Funny some of their progressive machines are set better than non-progressives in video poker, which is kind of the opposite of what you would expect. That slot barn is too far away anyways.

I'd love to see that offer- was there more to it?
They had a loss rebate before that I played but it was pretty straightforward and they honored it

Quote: Wizardofnothing

I'd love to see that offer- was there more to it?
They had a loss rebate before that I played but it was pretty straightforward and they honored it

Comes on a post card if you haven't been there in some time. I have it laying around somewhere and will post a thread about it when I find it when I find it. It was as I mentioned, says play $250, get $250 free play. Very vague, never mentions losing, says FP at kiosk 50% 7 days later. 50% 14 days later. They alternate between this offer and sending me $20 free play twice a month. I think it says you must play slots for the offer. It will probably be a while until I get to it, but will find it hopefully.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

I'd love to see that offer- was there more to it?
They had a loss rebate before that I played but it was pretty straightforward and they honored it

For 80%, or so, of the players. The others they banned.