The former has added a new bank of IGT VP with some very unusual games.

One of the groups is called "classical" but the games sure are not. I have been able to analyze 17 standard VP games and 3 Pick a Pair games with the help of the excellent "Wizard" tools. The 21st game stumps me!

For a one to five credit bet the game plays as NSUD except that quints pay 12 for 1 not 16 for 1.

If you play a sixth credit the game pays 6 (1 for 1) on three of a kind but all other hands pay as if a five credit bet.

The gave back is that all natural four of a kinds pay at least as good as a five credit bet for double double bonus.

Four natural Aces + 2, 3 or 4 pays 2000 (333-1/3 for 1)

Four natural Aces + no low pays 1000 (166-2/3 for 1)

Four natural Threes or Fours + A, 2, 3 or 4 pays 1000 (166-2/3 for 1)

Four natural Threes or Fours + no low pays 500 (83-1/3 for 1)

Four natural Fives through Kings pays 250 (41-2/3 for 1)

Note: If the fifth card with a natural quad is a deuce you only get paid for the highest value hand.

Any clues to the EV of this game? Strategy?

Note: thanks to the "Wizard" for his articles on Atomic Poker and Dice Fever also found on these machines. The Fast Fours on these machines have better pay tables than those shown in the "Wizard" article.

pyiddy

Quote:pyiddyThe Fast Fours on these machines have better pay tables than those shown in the "Wizard" article.

pyiddy

Can you either list these pay outs or post pictures of the pay tables? Thanks.

Welcome to the forum! Great question. The Wizard is not available at the moment, but I'm sure he'll be interested, as are some of the other math guys, I'm sure.

Can you post the full pay tables (transcribe them) for us? You won't be able to post a link or picture as a new member, but if you have pictures instead, send me a link (from a place like tiny pic or other host) in a PM and I'll get it posted in the thread.

Quote:pyiddyNote: I am the vpfree2 monitor for the Majestic Star (Gary, IN) and Rivers (Des Plaines, IL)

The former has added a new bank of IGT VP with some very unusual games.

One of the groups is called "classical" but the games sure are not. I have been able to analyze 17 standard VP games and 3 Pick a Pair games with the help of the excellent "Wizard" tools. The 21st game stumps me!

For a one to five credit bet the game plays as NSUD except that quints pay 12 for 1 not 16 for 1.

If you play a sixth credit the game pays 6 (1 for 1) on three of a kind but all other hands pay as if a five credit bet.

The gave back is that all natural four of a kinds pay at least as good as a five credit bet for double double bonus.

Four natural Aces + 2, 3 or 4 pays 2000 (333-1/3 for 1)

Four natural Aces + no low pays 1000 (166-2/3 for 1)

Four natural Threes or Fours + A, 2, 3 or 4 pays 1000 (166-2/3 for 1)

Four natural Threes or Fours + no low pays 500 (83-1/3 for 1)

Four natural Fives through Kings pays 250 (41-2/3 for 1)

Note: If the fifth card with a natural quad is a deuce you only get paid for the highest value hand.

Any clues to the EV of this game? Strategy?

Note: thanks to the "Wizard" for his articles on Atomic Poker and Dice Fever also found on these machines. The Fast Fours on these machines have better pay tables than those shown in the "Wizard" article.

pyiddy

Assuming I'm interpreting your payouts correctly and haven't screwed up somewhere, I get the following:

Hand | Pays | Probability | Return |
---|---|---|---|

Natural royal flush | 800 | 2.23E-05 | 0.01783718 |

Four deuces | 200 | 0.000193788 | 0.038757533 |

Wild royal flush | 25 | 0.001919217 | 0.047980426 |

Five of a Kind | 12 | 0.002726198 | 0.032714376 |

Straight flush | 10 | 0.004987781 | 0.049877813 |

Four Natural Aces w 2-4 | 400 | 5.92E-05 | 0.023687175 |

Four Natural Aces w 5-K | 200 | 0.000119889 | 0.023977825 |

Four Natural 3-4 w A-4 | 200 | 0.000118589 | 0.023717808 |

Four Natural 3-4 w 5-K | 100 | 0.000240491 | 0.024049142 |

Four Natural 5-K | 50 | 0.001479651 | 0.073982563 |

Four of a Kind | 4 | 0.062120682 | 0.24848273 |

Full house | 4 | 0.020953157 | 0.083812629 |

Flush | 3 | 0.020014453 | 0.06004336 |

Straight | 2 | 0.050237875 | 0.10047575 |

Three of a kind | 1.2 | 0.28692546 | 0.344310552 |

Nothing | 0 | 0.547881253 | 0 |

Total | 1 | 1.193706862 | |

EV | 0.994755718 | ||

STD | 5.888350701 |

Note, the total return is multiplied by the usual 5/6 since the game costs 6 coins.

Quote:pyiddyI made a serious error. The WRF is 100 not 125 for 5 or 6 coins.

This game is the same as 800-200-20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1 Deuces for 1-5 coins. The sixth coin pays 6 on 3 of a kind but all other hands pay like the 5 coin pay table. The sixth coin also pays all natural quads somewhat like DDB (4 natural aces + low 2000, 4 natural aces + no low 1000, 4 natural threes or fours + low 1000, four natural threes or fours + no low 500 and 4 natural fives through kings 250. Note: all these would have to be divided by 6 to get the one coin equivalent.)

pyiddy

Here is a revision. Hopefully the Wiz can weigh-in on this.

Hand | Pays | Probability | Return |
---|---|---|---|

Natural royal flush | 800 | 2.15E-05 | 0.017172235 |

Four deuces | 200 | 0.000190502 | 0.038100447 |

Wild royal flush | 20 | 0.001718026 | 0.034360527 |

Five of a Kind | 12 | 0.002735171 | 0.03282205 |

Straight flush | 10 | 0.005263673 | 0.052636727 |

Four Natural Aces w 2-4 | 400 | 5.96E-05 | 0.02385107 |

Four Natural Aces w 5-K | 200 | 0.000121047 | 0.02420932 |

Four Natural 3-4 w A-4 | 200 | 0.000118709 | 0.023741877 |

Four Natural 3-4 w 5-K | 100 | 0.000240641 | 0.024064071 |

Four Natural 5-K | 50 | 0.001480031 | 0.074001539 |

Four of a Kind | 4 | 0.062380612 | 0.249522448 |

Full house | 4 | 0.020981256 | 0.083925023 |

Flush | 3 | 0.020007672 | 0.060023016 |

Straight | 2 | 0.050545965 | 0.101091929 |

Three of a kind | 1.2 | 0.287421736 | 0.344906084 |

Nothing | 0 | 0.546713866 | 0 |

Total | 1 | 1.184428365 | |

EV | 0.987023637 | ||

STD | 5.829137242 |