RealizeGaming
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May 16th, 2016 at 6:15:56 AM permalink
During my last visit to Las Vegas about 3 months ago, my wife and I were staying at Red Rock Resort and we noticed a new bank of multi-hand video poker machines near the doors to the pool area. Any new video poker game will always catch my attention, so I had to get a closer look. I noticed that it showed 3, 5, and 10 play video poker. I immediately thought it was a newer or updated version of IGT's standard game, but I was shocked when I noticed the game was from WMS! My understanding of the situation was that IGT's triple play patent doesn't expire until sometime later this year in November. How is WMS able to put these types of games out when IGT still holds the rights to the game? Anyone have any news on this or any thoughts?
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May 16th, 2016 at 6:26:03 AM permalink
Maybe it expired a couple months before you realized and they had them up and ready to go?
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May 16th, 2016 at 6:34:21 AM permalink
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Maybe it expired a couple months before you realized and they had them up and ready to go?



I think the patent expired about a year ago. ME probably knows exactly.
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May 17th, 2016 at 9:02:46 PM permalink
I've seen a couple of media articles state that IGT's exclusivity goes through November 2016. However, I recall that a few years back when WMS released their "My Poker" machines, on some games the information screens had wording to indicate that they licensed the use of a variant's name (e.g. Double Double Bonus Poker) from IGT. Is it possible that Scientific Games could've paid a licensing fee to use multi-hand functionality through Nov. 2016?
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May 17th, 2016 at 9:20:13 PM permalink
Considering how MyPoker worked out earlier this decade...why are they trying? And they mostly failed because the paytables were pathetic. What surprised me is that Triple Triple Bonus is on select IGT games now. I briefly played it the 9/6/3 version (99.75%) to no avail at Majestic Star last week. Did WMS not copyright that name?
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May 17th, 2016 at 10:29:57 PM permalink
Quote: doughtaker

I've seen a couple of media articles state that IGT's exclusivity goes through November 2016. However, I recall that a few years back when WMS released their "My Poker" machines, on some games the information screens had wording to indicate that they licensed the use of a variant's name (e.g. Double Double Bonus Poker) from IGT. Is it possible that Scientific Games could've paid a licensing fee to use multi-hand functionality through Nov. 2016?




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May 18th, 2016 at 3:30:54 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Considering how MyPoker worked out earlier this decade...why are they trying? And they mostly failed because the paytables were pathetic. What surprised me is that Triple Triple Bonus is on select IGT games now. I briefly played it the 9/6/3 version (99.75%) to no avail at Majestic Star last week. Did WMS not copyright that name?

I actually liked the William my poker. fun game winning streak VP
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 18th, 2016 at 5:26:05 AM permalink
Here is a my page on Winning Streak.
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May 18th, 2016 at 6:09:15 AM permalink
I actually enjoyed winning streak, too. It reminded me of Multistrike poker from Led Gaming. I'd be curious to find out why it didn't really catch on.

Back to the triple play discussion. I still thought IGT had the exclusive rights until sometime this year. Regardless, it would make sense for WMS to get a head start on all the other companies in the industry by getting it out on the casino floors before others. Maybe IGT licensed the use of the patent out to them or maybe it did expire already. Very interesting conversion because it seems like the information is not made available to the public and it forces everyone to develop their own beliefs.

Anyone know if the WMS triple play games are still at Red Rock?
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May 18th, 2016 at 6:14:54 AM permalink
I see winning streak everywhere , across the board and multiple different corporate properties
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May 18th, 2016 at 6:49:51 AM permalink
IGT's patent isn't on multi-hand video poker. It is specifically on replicating a held card from one hand to another.
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May 18th, 2016 at 7:21:43 AM permalink
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Here is a my page on Winning Streak.



Nice page, thanks for your efforts.

I did notice a minor error where you were playing. You wrote for the 2nd hand:

Quote:

The aces improved to a two pair. Since it was a paying hand, it moved up to level one. In my second hand, I held the four of spades.


I may not have had enough coffee this morning because I was puzzled by the fact that I could not see a "four of spades" in that hand and then I realized you meant to say "I held the FOUR spades".
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May 18th, 2016 at 8:34:52 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

IGT's patent isn't on multi-hand video poker. It is specifically on replicating a held card from one hand to another.



I agree, but there is no way to do triple play without replicating the hand, unless you have a totally new hand for each additional hand you want to use.
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May 18th, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM permalink
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Here is a my page on Winning Streak.



Really nice job on the write up.
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May 18th, 2016 at 8:27:24 PM permalink
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Anyone know if the WMS triple play games are still at Red Rock?



They're still there with 3, 5, and 10-play. I rarely see anyone on them.
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May 19th, 2016 at 4:39:56 AM permalink
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They're still there with 3, 5, and 10-play. I rarely see anyone on them.



Thanks for the update.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 1:12:03 PM permalink
Now that we are in December, does anyone have any information on the expiration of Erine Moody's "Triple Play Patent?" I've been searching the Internet for reading material on this topic and I can't find anything.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 3:32:09 PM permalink
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Now that we are in December, does anyone have any information on the expiration of Erine Moody's "Triple Play Patent?" I've been searching the Internet for reading material on this topic and I can't find anything.



I don't know exactly what you are looking for but I believe the patent number is 5,732,950 and you can look it up at the uspto.gov website.
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December 3rd, 2016 at 4:25:34 PM permalink
GOOGLE has a searchable database of patents. You can search by keyword and other things.

patents.google.com

I don't know if it is better or worse than the government database.
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December 4th, 2016 at 6:40:42 AM permalink
I will look it up. Thanks for the patent number.

I just thought with it expiring, their would have been more news articles about it since it was such a dominate patent. Maybe that information is in the works.
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