Tipping after handpay
I offer a tip and say that's for both of you and leave it at that.
Did you notice when they paid you the last hundred was broken out into small bills? There's a reason for that!
Quote: GreasyjohnJean Scott says that .5% is okay for hand pays. That's $10 on a $2,000 payout. I don't think I'd pay anything if it was an Indian casino though because I don't think that Indian tribes deserve the entitlement to have gambling in the first place.
It was at the silverton in vegas, 2 hours before our plane left! I'll post it to the jackpot thread once I get on my computer
Quote: IbeatyouracesHere it's usually just two slot attendants. One to pay you and the other to verify.
The third person is usually the one in the cage that issues the cash to the attendants.
I get both sides of the slot tipping issue, because I worked in slots for a short period of time making $8 an hour (early 90's), tips helped and I was happy with anything.
I really didn't make a lot from tips, probably $120 a week. There were some tip hustler employees who made at least triple that much. The casino I worked at didn't tolerate tip hustling and management couldn't take tips themselves, they couldn't refuse them either. Management had to give it to the floor and change person who paid the jackpot.
Most of the employees had subtle, and not so subtle ways to extract tip's. They knew when and who to target. Things that would make most of us cringe.
If someone asked me the best machine to play I told them the truth, it's all luck and I don't know. If I knew I would have my friends come play them and split the money. Unfortunately most people don't want to hear that. Some people think employees know what machines are hot.
I don't really like when employees start patting my machine saying,"come on, come on, hit something good, get a royal." Especially when it's overdramatized and totally fake. I have heard just about everything. People have the balls to say "good thing I was standing here, because I'm lucky"
I always ask the suit if they can take tips, if they say yes I'll add 25% to 50% more to what I was originally going to tip. I hand it to the suit and tell them to split it.
Honestly I don't think management deserves a tip, however it's just something I feel benefits AP.
Nowadays there's not to many change people around and I'm not sure what a slot floor person makes per hour.
Does anyone know what they make?
I don't have a set certain percentage I tip, it all depends on the situation and what I'm playing. I think $10 per thousand is adequate. Generally I'm capping it at $100, if I hit for 10k - 40k they get $100. There's situations where I would give more.
If the play is really juicy i'm going to over tip.
If someone like a family member hits a 4k RF while on vacation I'll suggest $20 to $40.
Quote: AxelWolfIf you're a recreational gambler do whatever you like, tip if you want, stiff if you like. Even If it's $5 they should be happy they got anything.
I get both sides of the slot tipping issue, because I worked in slots for a short period of time making $8 an hour (early 90's), tips helped and I was happy with anything.
I really didn't make a lot from tips, probably $120 a week. There were some tip hustler employees who made at least triple that much. The casino I worked at didn't tolerate tip hustling and management couldn't take tips themselves, they couldn't refuse them either. Management had to give it to the floor and change person who paid the jackpot.
Most of the employees had subtle, and not so subtle ways to extract tip's. They knew when and who to target. Things that would make most of us cringe.
If someone asked me the best machine to play I told them the truth, it's all luck and I don't know. If I knew I would have my friends come play them and split the money. Unfortunately most people don't want to hear that. Some people think employees know what machines are hot.
I don't really like when employees start patting my machine saying,"come on, come on, hit something good, get a royal." Especially when it's overdramatized and totally fake. I have heard just about everything. People have the balls to say "good thing I was standing here, because I'm lucky"
I always ask the suit if they can take tips, if they say yes I'll add 25% to 50% more to what I was originally going to tip. I hand it to the suit and tell them to split it.
Honestly I don't think management deserves a tip, however it's just something I feel benefits AP.
Nowadays there's not to many change people around and I'm not sure what a slot floor person makes per hour.
Does anyone know what they make?
I don't have a set certain percentage I tip, it all depends on the situation and what I'm playing. I think $10 per thousand is adequate. Generally I'm capping it at $100, if I hit for 10k - 40k they get $100. There's situations where I would give more.
If the play is really juicy i'm going to over tip.
If someone like a family member hits a 4k RF while on vacation I'll suggest $20 to $40.
My last 2k hand pay I tipped $40. I thought it was adequate. My local hand pays on 1k royals so that always leaves me in a sticky situation. The last one I tipped $20 but it was in 2 $10s so it felt like more.
I was listening to a podcast recently, it may have been dancer but I can't remember. I can't remember exactly what he said but it was something like the tip should be under .5% or you are going to kill your ev. I would rather not tip at all than tip $10 on 4k.
Quote: DRichIn most jurisdictions it is a requirement to have three people involved in a jackpot. There are some exceptions for restricted locations and very small ones that may not have enough employees working,
The two government casinos here both have just a slot attendant do a hand pay and these casinos are definitely not small. The Indian casino just outside the city however has a manager present for all hand pays.
Quote: GWAEI was listening to a podcast recently, it may have been dancer but I can't remember. I can't remember exactly what he said but it was something like the tip should be under .5% or you are going to kill your ev. I would rather not tip at all than tip $10 on 4k.
That couldn't be more wrong, at least for anyone who's playing something with a decent edge. If he's talking about himself, grinding out stupid sh** like $1 10-play 9/6 DDB UX with a 0.15% advantage on 2x days (or whatever the hell it is)....then yeah, it's gonna hurt you.....but you should t even be playing stupid awful games like that to begin with.
Imagine, if you tipped 10% (yes, ten percent) on all handpays on $1 9/6 JOB. Only handpay is a RF. Royal is worth 2% (TWO PERCENT) of your return. Tipping away 10% of 2% is a grand-smacking total of 0.2%!!!! If 0.2% means THAT MUCH to your game, well, you're not playing a good game.
Granted, I'm not saying you should tip 10% as I think that's too much IMO, but it goes to show how little impact a 10% JP tip actually "hurts" you.
Saying your tip should be less than 0.5% or else you're gonna kill your EV is beyond laughable.
Of course, not everyone plays $1 9/6 JOB. But if you're worried about "killing your EV", you should try running the VP calculator with adjusted payouts for tips for the game you decide to play. ie: if you tip $10 on a $1,250 HP on $5 9/6 DDB, then change the 5 thru K's 4oak from paying 50 to 49.6....and adjust the other payouts according to how much you'd tip. Then see for yourself how much (or, in the most likely scenario, how little) tripping hurts you.
Quote: GreasyjohnI don't think I'd pay anything if it was an Indian casino though because I don't think that Indian tribes deserve the entitlement to have gambling in the first place.
You aren't tipping the casino, you are tipping the person that works there. If you have a problem with the casino, don't frequent it.
How dare those godless heathens try to climb out of poverty after we stole the country fair and square.Quote: GreasyjohnI don't think I'd pay anything if it was an Indian casino though because I don't think that Indian tribes deserve the entitlement to have gambling in the first place.
$40 ON 2K is probably a bit much for someone like you (someone with kid's, trying to play smart, and you seem to be frugal) $20 would make them happy.Quote: GWAEMy last 2k hand pay I tipped $40. I thought it was adequate. My local hand pays on 1k royals so that always leaves me in a sticky situation. The last one I tipped $20 but it was in 2 $10s so it felt like more.
I was listening to a podcast recently, it may have been dancer but I can't remember. I can't remember exactly what he said but it was something like the tip should be under .5% or you are going to kill your ev. I would rather not tip at all than tip $10 on 4k.
Again, it really depends on what your playing, if you are only getting handpays on Royals it isn't going to cut into your EV much. If you are playing with a .2 edge you probably have to be frugal.
Imagine playing .50 full time and tipping $40 a pop, that's over 2k per year, so imagine what your kids could do with that extra money when they got 16 had you put $30 of it in the bank.
I disagree with zero over $10. Sure it's kinda cheap, but They get stiffed regularly so $10 they should be ok with that.
Perhaps they should have learned to bargain a just little better with Manhattan ☺.Quote: petroglyphHow dare those godless heathens try to climb out of poverty after we stole the country fair and square.
Ya, ya, I know that's probably all fiction.
Quote: AxelWolf$40 ON 2K is probably a bit much for someone like you (someone with kid's, trying to play smart, and you seem to be frugal) $20 would make them happy.
Again, it really depends on what your playing, if you are only getting handpays on Royals it isn't going to cut into your EV much. If you are playing with a .2 edge you probably have to be frugal.
Imagine playing .50 full time and tipping $40 a pop, that's over 2k per year, so imagine what your kids could do with that extra money when they got 16 had you put $30 of it in the bank.
I disagree with zero over $10. Sure it's kinda cheap, but They get stiffed regularly so $10 they should be ok with that.
Yeah 40 is probably too much especially for a "frugal" person (I like being frugal. Gives us a sense of accomplishment getting good deals on stuff). However, it always seems like a weird situation. They expect a tip, you know they expect one, and you appear to be up money even though my last royal got me even for the month. My first royal I over tipped for sure. I think for future I will end up doing maybe $30 tips. Over the last few years I only averaging 8 royals so that's only $240.
I was just trying to remember what I tipped on my last one and I can't remember my last royal. I must be due. I should jump up to $1 level.
Eta: just looked. It has been since 12/27 for my last royal. That would be 75k hands ago. Now I am sad.
Giving you the land was bad enough, but when we had to throw in a buffet dinner for 14, that was just over the top. : )Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps they should have learned to bargain a just little better with Manhattan ☺.
Ya, ya, I know that's probably all fiction.
In blackjack I have been tipping less than I used to. Not more than $5 an hour when I'm winning with an average bet of $30.
I tip less than I used to. But I still tip and I like to tip.
Quote: SamhainRecently I got my first ever $2k handpay (dealt quad 3s with kicker woot!) and a slot attendant immediately came by and took my license and ss#. About 10 mins later the same slot attendant came back and paid me, but she was accompanied by maybe a manager? Someone dressed in a suit. I thanked the slot attendant and tipped her, but was I supposed to tip the manager as well? Would like to know for in the future so I don't look like a tightwad. Thanks
I dont want to spam someone else's thread but my own (if its allowed) but I'm at 15 posts as of right now, and I need 20 to post links/pictures. I have 2 jackpot pictures I'd like to share, so if you dont mind I'm going to get my postcount to 20 here.
They better be good....
<edit> Saw the pics, good for you! congrats.
You prolly don't need a radiation suit after all. But not my decision....
But 17, 18, 19, and 20 earned you a RR+1, so now you ARE being watched ;-)
Are you Canadian?
Quote: TwoFeathersATLAlways pressing your luck ;-)
They better be good....
<edit> Saw the pics, good for you! congrats.
You prolly don't need a radiation suit after all. But not my decision....
No hard feelings to the mods if this is against the rules and they need to take action. I usually just read the content on these forums and don't really post (obviously)
EDIT: No, not Canadian.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLYou're join date is rather suspicious to me, you better behave yourself here ( private joke, don't worry ;-)
So I take it someone got banned right around the time I joined? Mods will see my ip located in sunny so cal. Canada is too cold.
I told you not to worry, now you sound worried. What, you didn't trust me ;-?Quote: SamhainSo I take it someone got banned right around the time I joined? Mods will see my ip located in sunny so cal. Canada is too cold.
Quote: SamhainNo hard feelings to the mods if this is against the rules and they need to take action. I usually just read the content on these forums and don't really post (obviously)
EDIT: No, not Canadian.
Umm, yeah, of course it's against the rules. This is exactly why the rule was put into place. I'm removing your spam floods, and issuing a formal warning. Do not bump posts with no content, or flood threads with garbage. Thanks, and nice jackpots.
Samhain, she let you off easy, BABBs is having a good day. Good job BABBs! Intent is always important, though not always sufficient. No harm here, only a small foul. We still goin' out on the Victory in June?Quote: beachbumbabsUmm, yeah, of course it's against the rules. This is exactly why the rule was put into place. I'm removing your spam floods, and issuing a formal warning. Do not bump posts with no content, or flood threads with garbage. Thanks, and nice jackpots.
Does the casino take your information for taxes on these hand pays? If they do I would think that's awful of them... If they don't, then whilst I'm a good tipper usually, I wouldn't tip on $1k royals (.25 level). That doesn't involve a hand pay at the vast majority of casinos and I would treat it as such.Quote: GreasyjohnI tipped $20 on my first $1,126 Royal...
Quote: GreasyjohnJean Scott says that .5% is okay for hand pays. That's $10 on a $2,000 payout.
This topic comes up every several months. Nobody ever accused Jean Scott of being a generous tipper -- including me. I think 0.5% on $2,000 is too stingy. I'd say 1% or 2%. I could see 0.5% on a much bigger jackpot, like $20,000.
Quote: WizardHere is new formula: 0.5*sqrt(jackpot). So, for a $400,000 jackpot the tip would be $316.23. Of course, round that up or down, depending on your personality and level of service.
Quote: chaunceyb3From Mike's November 29, 2014 post:
Ah, that makes better sense -- one half, not 2x. Was thinking, "wait, he'd tip $89'ish on a $2k jackpot!!?" (Well I used my calculator to figure out 2*2000^0.5.)
I mean simply because I hit four of a kind on a 5 dollar game I have to tip vs hitting the same hand on a 25cent game , it's crazy
At least horse racing has it somewhat right and is standard at 600-1 on your wager /
$300 on a 400k jackpot is to low IMO.Quote: chaunceyb3From Mike's November 29, 2014 post:
But I guess it would come down to how often you are playing a $100 machine and what type of advantage you have.
If I was on some juicy promo where the 400k was just lucky and mostly gravy. I would probably do $700.
If I were playing with a small edge and playing often I would have to tip significantly less than $700.
