double-up house edge per unit wagered
How to count HE per unit wagered with double-up feature?
How looks the formula for mixed double-up strategy? For example, if I don't double on RF and SF, and double only 1 time all other win hands?
This is a pretty incoherent OP... What's your question?Quote: turbostathey,
How to count HE per unit wagered with double-up feature?
How looks the formula for mixed double-up strategy? For example, if I don't double on RF and SF, and double only 1 time all other win hands?
The double up feature is a separate bet in which you have a 50/50 chance of doubling your money. It essentially increases volatility... and since the casino has a much, much larger bankroll than you, they'll keep coin flipping with you until you're broke, because you're not going to break them.
The house edge of the VP machine doesn't change, but your ER can change if you dedicate and say "I'm always going to double up X times" or "I'm always going to double up on these hands", etc. I actually did some deep math analysis on this a while back... it amplifies whatever machine you're playing, if you're going to always double on certain hands. Now, if you find a machine over 100% payback, well then it would amplify it that way too! Too bad you a) very very rarely find 100%+ VP games, and b) would need a team to log a ton of hours to really get the hands you need to make a meaningful impact.
just post it hereQuote: RomesI actually did some deep math analysis on this a while back...
using double-up feature changed HE per unit wagered. I need the formula.Quote: RomesThis is a pretty incoherent OP... What's your question?
? explain why doubling on a +EV game is good?Quote: RomesThis is a pretty incoherent OP... What's your question?
The double up feature is a separate bet in which you have a 50/50 chance of doubling your money. It essentially increases volatility... and since the casino has a much, much larger bankroll than you, they'll keep coin flipping with you until you're broke, because you're not going to break them.
The house edge of the VP machine doesn't change, but your ER can change if you dedicate and say "I'm always going to double up X times" or "I'm always going to double up on these hands", etc. I actually did some deep math analysis on this a while back... it amplifies whatever machine you're playing, if you're going to always double on certain hands. Now, if you find a machine over 100% payback, well then it would amplify it that way too! Too bad you a) very very rarely find 100%+ VP games, and b) would need a team to log a ton of hours to really get the hands you need to make a meaningful impact.
Quote: AxelWolf? explain why doubling on a +EV game is good?
Because it is always better to put your money on a neutral bet, versus where you have an advantage. Are you sure you are an advantage player ?
Perhaps Robin can explain it to you .
If I can remember I'll post a picture I took of my white board later... In order to make decent money you need a team playing a lot of hands, but now that I think of it you have a team. The biggest problem for you would be finding +EV machines WITH the double up feature, at at least like 4-5 of them that your team could play a ton on. That's why the math ended up working out, but I found that it just wasn't plausible.Quote: AxelWolf? explain why doubling on a +EV game is good?
I'll give a spoiler: I ran the math for the theory that I would double EVERYTHING to get to a MAX PAY with NO W2. I ran the frequencies of the hand with the number of doubles their payout would need to get to Max Pay No W2. There's a LOT more to it... but I double checked it and I do believe it's correct, just not probable.
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Yeah, forgive my scribbles, but you should be able to figure it out...
*I'd also like to note that at some point there was probably more calculations on the board I had to erase to move forward. The gist is on the board though.
