Throwing away straight flush

Over the weekend, while my partner was playing through our free play, I saw a guy dealt a straight flush 9-K, and threw away the 9, trying for a royal flush. He ended up with a flush and I ended up with a sore neck from shaking my head.

Ugh. I could see doing that in a game in which I am playing 100 hands, but not in a game where I am playing one handed

Quote: kewlj

Over the weekend, while my partner was playing through our free play, I saw a guy dealt a straight flush 9-K, and threw away the 9, trying for a royal flush. He ended up with a flush and I ended up with a sore neck from shaking my head.

I've reported on here that I saw a guy do it also and get the royal.

I guess I should have mentioned it was JoB, not something like deuces wild that might have made more sense.

Quote: Gabes22

Ugh. I could see doing that in a game in which I am playing 100 hands, but not in a game where I am playing one handed

I don't know. A dealt SF x 100. That's like 25,000 units. You should expect 2 royals out of 100, but even if you get lucky and hit 3, that's 12,000 units. Add in a handful of flushes and straights and you are far better off taking the 100 dealt straight flushes.

I looked for the VP hand calculator on WoO but didn't see it.

He gave up 50 times his bet for 18 times his bet. Oouch.

Quote: Greasyjohn

He gave up 50 times his bet for 18 times his bet. Oouch.

I'm betting Rob Singer would've done it had he been deep in the hole while chasing losses and needing that big win.

Of course he made the wrong play but a surprising number of players will do it especially on lower denominations.

I saw a lady do it for a progressive royal at Rincon in San Diego but the royal was not big enough to justify it. She didn't care she made a bad play when they gave her the check.

I'm definitely not a video poker expert but that seems retarded.

Quote: Greasyjohn

He gave up 50 times his bet for 18 times his bet. Oouch.

That's not right. It's worse than that actually. Gave up 50X for 6X. Triple ouch. lol

Quote: kewlj

That's not right. It's worse than that actually. Gave up 50X for 6X. Triple ouch. lol

I thought holding 4-to-a-royal paid 18 x your bet in JoB on average. I'll have to check to be sure.

Quote: Greasyjohn

I thought holding 4-to-a-royal paid 18 x your bet in JoB on average. I'll have to check to be sure.

oh, you are talking expectation as opposed to what he actually ended up with. My bad.

If it was $5 single line or some variant where the bet equaled $25, he'd toss it if he couldn't get a taxable. That's the ONLY reason I can think of for doing something this stupid.

Quote: djatc

If it was $5 single line or some variant where the bet equaled $25, he'd toss it if he couldn't get a taxable. That's the ONLY reason I can think of for doing something this stupid.

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Quote: tringlomane

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At 0:20, there's no way that's the Asian guy's voice. Pretty sure a white guy's voice got dubbed over his.


"No no no!" is pretty funny.


Definitely times when throwing away a dealt SF or wild RF may be better, like if you don't want to take a taxable for only $1250 or ..... other reasons I won't get in to.

Technically they are dumb for gambling on a -EV game anyway. They are gambling for entertainment, hitting a RF would have been way more fun.

Had they spiked the RF they may have quit and went home(+EV). Had they held the STF they probably would've just played longer with the extra money and given up the ev they would've had holding it.

They gave up just over 150 coins on average, yes that's very bad, but that hand is so rare. In the grand scheme of things it not going to add up to much. The joy they would've had connecting with the perfect ace would've been worth it to them. Perhaps they know better and they just took a gamble. After all that's why most people go to the casino, to gamble.

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My question is. What if you(anyone) had a situation that was super marginal( pennies, dollars or whatever). And the incorrect play is to go for the big jackpot. It doesn't have to be VP Perhaps a side bet progressive is a marginal loser. Or there's a big money slot tournament for 1 million and you're giving up $25 in EV. NVM all the tax related and tipping BS. Assume you factored that in.

Under what conditions would you make the innocent play and go for the score? Would you give up .25 for a 1 in 47 at 1000, 4000, 10,000? NEVER GIVE UP A PENNY IN EV? What's your bad play threshold?

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That reminds me again. There used to be a situation on FPDW. A dealt 5k 2w 2w 2w with a 3-9 pair. The correct mathematical play is to dump the pair and go for it.

This created a hand pay. Now you had a tipping situation and you lose time. Usually I just went for it anyways. I don't want to be anal about stuff. Not to mention, tipping in slots and VP has been worth it's weight in silver.

Quote: AxelWolf

NEVER GIVE UP A PENNY IN EV

Quote: AxelWolf

That reminds me again. There used to be a situation on FPDW. A dealt 5k 2w 2w 2w with a 3-9 pair. The correct mathematical play is to dump the pair and go for it.

This created a hand pay. Now you had a tipping situation and you lose time. Usually I just went for it anyways. I don't want to be anal about stuff. Not to mention, tipping in slots and VP has been worth it's weight in silver.

A hand pay on 4 deuces? Were you playing at Skyline?

I have a hard enough time throwing away a flush going for a straight flush. Throwing away a sf would make by brain explode.

Quote: GWAE

I have a hard enough time throwing away a flush going for a straight flush...

Hope your not doing this in non-wild card games.

Ditto

Quote: AxelWolf

Or there's a big money slot tournament for 1 million and you're giving up $25 in EV. NVM all the tax related and tipping BS. Assume you factored that in.

Powerball tickets you give up less than $2 in EV for a change at $100 million (or even as much as a half billion that one time). You can make that bet as many times as you would like every day. But it still seems like a horrible play compared to all the other games of chance we can find.

For me, I can sort of get what that person did. A straight flush on JoB is 250 coins. Next to nothing compared to 4k. On Aces and Faces, the game I like to play, a SF is almost a waste of time with a 400 or a 300 available for a J-Q-K or A quad.

Myself, I'd take the SF 99 times out of 10.

Quote: teddys

A hand pay on 4 deuces? Were you playing at Skyline?

This was mostly in years past when they actually had $1 FPDW, however I can imagine a situation, perhaps a different game dealing with 3 Aces VS a dealt FH or higher denominations.

BTW a lot of small places set handpays to 1k ot even less. I got a $800 4oak a few weeks ago on a $2 denomination it was a HP. How annoying is that?

Quote: GWAE

I have a hard enough time throwing away a flush going for a straight flush. Throwing away a sf would make by brain explode.

hmm... You need to think about what you just said. Even on a game where the flush pays 5 and you had 9 10 J QSS with a dealt flush. You wouldn't give up a dealt flush or even a str8.