DanMahoney
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July 24th, 2015 at 8:15:44 PM permalink
I know a few of you apear to be knowlegeable about video poker strategy and I solicit your advice. Has anyone had any long term success with the Video Poker strategies and special plays advocated by Rob Singer? I have been using his methods for the last month or so and have held my own. What I like about his modified nightingale strategy and special plays are that they enable me to play at a much higher denomination than I would normally play with just slightly more risk (which improves my comps). If you can ignore what some may perceive as a negative personality and his complicated nomenclature for a relatively simple strategy (i.e., SPS. RTT, or ARTT strategies), he seems to me to be like some sort of VP guru or something. So how do you like his strategies/plays and how successful have you been in using them in a larger sample size than what I have done?
PS For some reason I’ve had difficulty posting here recently, but every thing seems ok now and I really like this new and improved format/update.
Mission146
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July 24th, 2015 at 9:16:44 PM permalink
Rob Singer's strategies for Video Poker are better than my strategies for pottery, but that is only because I have never potted. To emphasize my point, I'm not sure, "Potted," is the proper term for having previously engaged in pottery.
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DrawingDead
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July 24th, 2015 at 10:01:24 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahoney

nightingale strategy




I think something good can come of it: Mr. Singer has now (indirectly) provided a fine excuse to test the formatting codes.*

*Okay, 3 out of 7 worked. Image, color, and size are good to go. Will take the rest to the 'new forum' snivel and whine thread.
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RS
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July 24th, 2015 at 11:12:10 PM permalink
Rob Singer is an idiot.
Sabretom2
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July 25th, 2015 at 7:11:44 AM permalink
Any meaningful (correct) strategy can be found right here at WOV or WOO.

Got to admire Singer though, he's built himself a pretty good gig.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 25th, 2015 at 7:56:05 AM permalink
Quote: Sabretom2

Any meaningful (correct) strategy can be found right here at WOV or WOO.

Got to admire Singer though, he's built himself a pretty good gig.


Him, Phil Hellmuth, and Mike Matusow at the same table would be quite fun to watch!
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July 25th, 2015 at 8:23:36 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead



I think something good can come of it: Mr. Singer has now (indirectly) provided a fine excuse to test the formatting codes.*

*Okay, 3 out of 7 worked. Image, color, and size are good to go. Will take the rest to the 'new forum' snivel and whine thread.

Im lost by this comment about testing the new formatting codes?
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Boz
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July 25th, 2015 at 8:31:19 AM permalink
I'm just thankful 1BB was there to remind the mods to get Dan back here for posts like this and the one about the dice guy being busted.
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July 25th, 2015 at 8:33:44 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

I'm just thankful 1BB was there to remind the mods to get Dan back here for posts like this and the one about the dice guy being busted.


If you don't like it, the door is over there ---->

Your baiting 1bb is getting a bit tiring.
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July 25th, 2015 at 9:24:37 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

If you don't like it, the door is over there ---->

Your baiting 1bb is getting a bit tiring.



No baiting, just posting what I see. And you don't think his constant questioning iof ow the mods operate is tiring?

I'm not the mod defender here, they are more capable of handling it themselves. But the odds on him being the one to remind them about Dans suspension being over were -220 versus the field of all other 14000 members.
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July 25th, 2015 at 9:29:09 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

No baiting, just posting what I see. And you don't think his constant questioning iof ow the mods operate is tiring?

I'm not the mod defender here, they are more capable of handling it themselves. But the odds on him being the one to remind them about Dans suspension being over were -220 versus the field of all other 14000 members.


So what, why get yourself wrapped up in it? Makes no sense. It's just asking for trouble. Best to ignore it.
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July 25th, 2015 at 9:34:50 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Rob Singer is an idiot.

is this just your opinion?
if no, you then have to prove what you just said is truth, imo


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July 25th, 2015 at 9:36:12 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

So what, why get yourself wrapped up in it? Makes no sense. It's just asking for trouble. Best to ignore it.



Good point. I appreciate the advise and need to hear it sometimes. Thanks again, and I do mean it.
DrawingDead
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July 25th, 2015 at 10:56:18 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

[]Im lost by this comment about testing the new formatting codes?

It probably was a little obscure.

Long version: I posted a linked image of a "nightingale" which is a species of bird, and is also how the OP described his VP "strategy." I suspect he meant "martingale." Unless the VP plan is actually to let a little birdie tell him what to do. My bit of silliness was also an excuse by me to see if the image tags are working, and while I was at it I tried several other common formatting codes in the text. At the time of the post, I discovered most of them did not work. But now it looks like this has been fixed, since the strike-through, underline, and bold now appear where they did not last night. Congrats to somebody on their quick work fixing all that.

Short version: Nevermind.
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July 25th, 2015 at 11:11:12 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

Quote: AxelWolf

[]Im lost by this comment about testing the new formatting codes?

It probably was a little obscure.

Long version: I posted a linked image of a "nightingale" which is a species of bird, and is also how the OP described his VP "strategy." I suspect he meant "martingale." Unless the VP plan is actually to let a little birdie tell him what to do. My bit of silliness was also an excuse by me to see if the image tags are working, and while I was at it I tried several other common formatting codes in the text. At the time of the post, I discovered most of them did not work. But now it looks like this has been fixed, since the strike-through, underline, and bold now appear where they did not last night. Congrats to somebody on their quick work fixing all that.

Short version: Nevermind.



Nighingale might be more like it. If you lose 70 grand on a progressive strategy you'll be chirping like a little bird.
DoubleOrNothing
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July 25th, 2015 at 11:41:37 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Rob Singer is an idiot.


Losing is losing. The reason that all forums of this sort are just about dead. Except for sports and poker, which peaked a bit later.

Singer's people think he's Jesus the same as the Wizard's think he can do no wrong. Depends on who you talk to.
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July 25th, 2015 at 12:21:15 PM permalink
Quote: bobsims

Nighingale might be more like it. If you lose 70 grand on a progressive strategy you'll be chirping like a little bird.

Or keep at it because "it can't lose AGAIN after 'x' times in a row" and you'll be roasting a little birdie over a can of Sterno in front of your refrigerator crate under the bridge.
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July 25th, 2015 at 2:03:21 PM permalink
He's video poker hall of fame material as I am rapper of the year material.

His strategy is to make plays that deviate from the best possible EV as a hedge against variance. That makes no sense. If you want to hedge and take the sure thing for less EV you are probably playing a higher denomination then you should.
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DanMahoney
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July 25th, 2015 at 2:57:18 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

He's video poker hall of fame material as I am rapper of the year material.

His strategy is to make plays that deviate from the best possible EV as a hedge against variance. That makes no sense. If you want to hedge and take the sure thing for less EV you are probably playing a higher denomination then you should.



I could be wrong but my understanding of his play is just the opposite of yours. I look at his special plays (which he only uses on certain occasions) as plays which deviates slightly from the optimum EV in an effort to get lucky and get a big score (i.e., not a hedge). His basic strategies also depend upon getting lucky at the right time ( i.e., the highest of the three or four levels he is playing) in order to hit a big score. The only drawbacks I have been experiencing in a limited sample is getting to my loss limit quicker than my normal EV play if I don’t get lucky at the right time and slowing my play down because of the constant denomination level switching.
DoubleOrNothing
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July 25th, 2015 at 3:11:47 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahoney

I could be wrong but my understanding of his play is just the opposite of yours.


At least Singer doesn't try to legitimize the casino industry (with math); and then go on to, in my opinion, avoid the real issues and questions.
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July 25th, 2015 at 3:19:52 PM permalink
Quote: DanMahoney

I could be wrong but my understanding of his play is just the opposite of yours. I look at his special plays (which he only uses on certain occasions) as plays which deviates slightly from the optimum EV in an effort to get lucky and get a big score (i.e., not a hedge). His basic strategies also depend upon getting lucky at the right time ( i.e., the highest of the three or four levels he is playing) in order to hit a big score. The only drawbacks I have been experiencing in a limited sample is getting to my loss limit quicker than my normal EV play if I don’t get lucky at the right time and slowing my play down because of the constant denomination level switching.


The whole point of his system resolves around chasing losses by moving up in denominations and while doing so, scrap optimal plays for slightly sub-optimal ones going for big hands like quads. On top of that, he does this thinking he's "due" to hit these big pays. Nothing could be further from the truth. The most dangerous thing any gambler can do is raising your bet level while losing. Your never due for anything except death. Other than that, his special plays won't hurt that much.
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July 25th, 2015 at 3:43:29 PM permalink
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The most dangerous thing any gambler can do is raising your bet level while losing. Your never due for anything except death.


Going from a zero bet to a non-zero bet is raising the bet? Talking about gambling, with negative or sub-par life expectation.
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