Probability of being dealt 2pair or better in a non-wild game?

JoB, BP, DDB, etc

according to the Wiz's VP page, the probability of ending up with 2pair or better after redraw is ~33%.

Anyone know the probability of being dealt 2pair or better?


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Mods- Can you change title to "Probability of being dealt 2pair or better in a non-wild game?"

Google 5 card stud probabilities. Take 1 - (the probability of one pair plus the probability of no pair).

Quote: rudeboyoi

Google 5 card stud probabilities. Take 1 - (the probability of one pair plus the probability of no pair).

so it doesn't matter the VP game?

All non-wild VP games will have the same probability of being dealt 2pair or better?
(and the answer = 8%)

Quote: 100xOdds

so it doesn't matter the VP game?

All non-wild VP games will have the same probability of flopping 2pair or better?

Of course.

Quote: rudeboyoi

Of course.

wow! thought each VP variant had their own tweaked probabilities.

Quote: 100xOdds

wow! thought each VP variant had their own tweaked probabilities.

Only for ending hands it's different (cuz of strategy).

But dealt hands, it's all the same.

Quote: RS

Quote: 100xOdds

wow! thought each VP variant had their own tweaked probabilities.

Only for ending hands it's different (cuz of strategy).

But dealt hands, it's all the same.

Right, all deal probabilities are the same for all games given the same deck. The final probabilities change due to hold decisions.

Quote: tringlomane

Quote: RS

Only for ending hands it's different (cuz of strategy).

But dealt hands, it's all the same.

Right, all deal probabilities are the same for all games given the same deck. The final probabilities change due to hold decisions.

wow!
so probability getting quad 2's in deuces wild (after redraw) is the same as in JoB if you're holding a pair or trip 2s?

Quote: 100xOdds

wow!
so probability getting quad 2's in deuces wild (after redraw) is the same as in JoB if you're holding a pair or trip 2s?

Yes, probabilities are the same for any 52 card deck game where you hold the same cards.

Quote: 100xOdds

wow!
so probability getting quad 2's in deuces wild (after redraw) is the same as in JoB if you're holding a pair or trip 2s?

Probably repeating what has been said already.

it's the same on all dealt hands, redraw hands and drawing hands on most standard VP games without special features, special games or extra wild cards, like jokers wild.

What changes is the strategy and that changes the cycle (depending on the game). Playing correctly You will get 4 ducks on DW more often than on a JOB game simply because you are playing more aggressive for the deuces.

The cycle for 4 ducks on FPDW is about 4900 playing perfect strategy. You could get that down to about 3400 hands if you drastically changed your strategy to only go for the deuces . Even if you played 9/6 jacks it would take the same number of hands to get any specific 4oak assuming you only went for that specific 4oak.

How long have you been messing with VP now? It's been a while I think.

This is something that anyone interested in VP should know and understand when they first start, especially if they are in it for an advantage.

Some small casinos and bars don't get this. They think its easier to get a natural 4 of a kind on deuces wild and exclude it all together on various promotions.

axel,

I thought the opposite.. that's its HARDER to get 4 deuces on a deuces wild game than a non-dw game.

just like i thought its harder to get quad Aces on DDB than, say, JoB.

wow.. mind is blown