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January 10th, 2015 at 10:04:16 PM permalink
At my Caesar's property, the best game is 9/6 JoB. Unfortunately, it's $50 coin-in for 1 tier credit.
I need 75Tc to get the minimum $10 freeplay offer for every visit (about once a week).

the best games for the standard $10 coin-in for 1 tier credit are:
97.9% DDB (9/5)
97.8% DB (9/6)
97.6% Deuces Wild
97.3% JoB (8/5)
(all at the $1 denom)

Since there're so close together house edge wise, I prefer Deuces Wild.
I find wild cards much more fun to play.

note:
I haven't checked the Ultimate X version of these games.
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January 10th, 2015 at 10:19:07 PM permalink
Check STP games too. At many cet props in vegas, one of the best games is STP.

As for myself, I like deuces but it really doesn't like me.
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January 10th, 2015 at 10:44:24 PM permalink
If all VP games had the same return, my favorite would be Joker Poker (Kings or Better).
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January 10th, 2015 at 11:23:53 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

If all VP games had the same return, my favorite would be Joker Poker (Kings or Better).



I hit my first royal on no pair joker poker (99.92%) for 5k so it used to have a special place in my heart. I think I like NSUD 99.73 the best now. For some reason it is really fun to get dealt 2 deuces and draw while i yell COME ON DEUCE! and getting dealt three deuces?? fagettaboutit!!!
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January 11th, 2015 at 12:47:12 AM permalink
Most fun ? Quick Quads in any config, nothing else even close.
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January 11th, 2015 at 12:52:51 AM permalink
All American is fun. QQ is ok, but its only on multi line for the most part lots of mistakes to be made. Dream poker is interesting.
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January 11th, 2015 at 1:39:47 AM permalink
Most fun? Probably Double STP or Ultimate X.

I much prefer mutli-line to single line. Lower variance, but you still have a shot at getting 4 of a kind or something cool. And when dealt 4 to the royal, you actually have a legitimate chance of connecting for the royal.

I've played a little QQ, didn't do much for me. Probably because I was just playing for fun / nickels and didn't know the complete/proper strategy. Not as fun if you don't know what you're doing (kinda like cooking....would be fun if I knew WTF I was doing).
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January 11th, 2015 at 4:13:51 AM permalink
I really hate deuces. I can not stand how many hands are completely discarded. I prefer a game like bonus poker where 2 pair still pays 2x but there is a bump up on 4oak. If my bankroll was larger then I would prefer ddb
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January 11th, 2015 at 6:17:11 AM permalink
10 line Extra Draw Frenzy DDB.

Cross your fingers for dealt trip aces, and then hope to see 3-25 more of 'em.

Also consider EDF BPD 10/6. (That 10 pay on the full, with the extra hands on dealt trips...)

Big Times is .. different.
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January 11th, 2015 at 7:16:10 AM permalink
I am hooked on Triple Double Poker at the moment, and I'm liking it in Ultimate X and Multi-Strike Poker configurations.
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January 11th, 2015 at 7:45:01 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Check STP games too. At many cet props in vegas, one of the best games is STP.
As for myself, I like deuces but it really doesn't like me.


Will check STP out.
at $5 Airport deuces, I never hit a wild royal with $1500 coin-in.
at a worse dw machine at $1 denom, I hit 3 wild royals within 150 hands. (but it only paid 100 instead of 125)

Quote: Mission146

If all VP games had the same return, my favorite would be Joker Poker (Kings or Better).


Why joker poker over Deuces Wild?

Quote: AxelWolf

All American is fun. QQ is ok, but its only on multi line for the most part lots of mistakes to be made. Dream poker is interesting.


Why do you like All American?
it seems like JoB except you sacrifice payout on 2pair for a bigger payout on a straight.
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January 11th, 2015 at 7:55:38 AM permalink
here's a list of the VP available at my CET property according to videopoker.com:

Video Poker Games/ # Machines

Game King ??
All Star Poker II 19
Double Super Times Pay 2
Hyper Bonus Poker 2
Multi-Streak Poker 2
Super Star Poker 6
Super Times Pay Poker 4
Super Triple Play 6
Ultimate Aces Poker 2
Ultimate X Poker 4


Note:
Game King and All Star Poker II machines are just front end terminals that hosts a wide range of popular VP games (JoB, DW, BP, DB, DDB, etc) at multiple denoms.
The All Star Poker II machines is the multi-line version.
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January 11th, 2015 at 8:52:14 AM permalink
No vp is fun for me, it's a brutal, mind numbing grind and the only game I play that I don't at least occasionally enjoy. I suppose my favorite would be any multi-line full pay 9/6 JoB vp, multi-line 9/6 STP and 9/6 or nsud progressives with multiple meters. Pretty tough to find in Vegas but there is .01-.25 9/6 multi-line up to 100 lines all over Reno/Tahoe area.
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January 11th, 2015 at 8:59:44 AM permalink
Not sure I have a favorite...if pressed I would guess DDB. The one I do not like is TDB, I lose my shirt in no time on that one.
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January 11th, 2015 at 9:18:20 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Will check STP out.
at $5 Airport deuces, I never hit a wild royal with $1000 coin-in.
at a worse dw machine at $1 denom, I hit 3 wild royals within 150 hands. (but it only paid 100 instead of 125)
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Why joker poker over Deuces Wild?


Why do you like All American?
it seems like JoB except you sacrifice payout on 2pair for a bigger payout on a straight.

Depending on the pay table of course.

(5 coins) I like the 1000 coins for the straight flush. I like that you get upwards of 200 coins on a 4oak ( years ago, even up to 250 coins). Getting 40 coins for a straight and a Flush is nice. I like holding 3 flushes and being aggressive on straights and straight flushes
however I don't like all the difficult holds. I don't get to play it often, but if happen to see it while i'm getting a free drink at the bar, ill play that over most other games assuming everything is crappie anyway.

There's tons of crazy VP games now (hard to keep up) that are obviously more fun. I don't remember the name but its similar to Multi Strike each winning hand will multiply. It was very fun, but I think the strategy would be difficult, if not impossible to learn, the variance seemed wicked.
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January 11th, 2015 at 9:23:47 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

At my Caesar's property, the best game is 9/6 JoB. Unfortunately, it's $50 coin-in for 1 tier credit.
I need 75Tc to get the minimum $10 freeplay offer for every visit (about once a week).

the best games for the standard $10 coin-in for 1 tier credit are:
97.9% DDB (9/5)
97.8% DB (9/6)
97.6% Deuces Wild
97.3% JoB (8/5)
(all at the $1 denom)

Since there're so close together house edge wise, I prefer Deuces Wild.
I find wild cards much more fun to play.

note:
I haven't checked the Ultimate X version of these games.



Why not stick with 9/6 JoB, it is cheaper than you may think? Actually it is cheaper than Deuces Wild:

At 99.54 JoB you pay - on average - $17.25 for the privilege to gamble until you reach your free play ($3750 coin in)
At 97.6 Deuces Wild you pay $18 until you reach the freeplay, despite the lower coin in ($750).
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January 11th, 2015 at 10:12:43 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

Why not stick with 9/6 JoB, it is cheaper than you may think? Actually it is cheaper than Deuces Wild:

At 99.54 JoB you pay - on average - $17.25 for the privilege to gamble until you reach your free play ($3750 coin in)
At 97.6 Deuces Wild you pay $18 until you reach the freeplay, despite the lower coin in ($750).



I think there's less variance on $750 coin in on DW than there is $3750 coin in on JOB.
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January 11th, 2015 at 10:21:28 AM permalink
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January 11th, 2015 at 10:39:47 AM permalink
My favorite former game was World Poker Tour Multi-Strike Super Video Hold'em by Led Gaming. They used to have one machine at the Red Rock Resort in Las Vegas that I used to play late into the evenings when I would be in town. Loved this game, based solely on the fun factor it provided.
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January 11th, 2015 at 7:53:10 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

If all VP games had the same return, my favorite would be Joker Poker (Kings or Better).



just checked.. the joker poker here is the 2 pair version at 97.19%. :(
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/joker-poker/two-pair-or-better/

for STP, it's the same payout table as the regular version of the game.
so the stp version adds .25%? meh..

i'll stick with the regular version of 97.6% DW.

my site also has Double STP, which adds .5% to the regular version. thus 98.1% dw.
hm.. still too much trouble since I'm only doing $750 coin-in for 75TC??
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January 11th, 2015 at 8:10:58 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

hm.. still too much trouble since I'm only doing $750 coin-in for 75TC??



Yes.

It's still not all about RTP, it's also about variance.

The goal is to run $750 coin in while losing as little as possible.

Perhaps your luck is better than mine, but DSTP always seems to "miss" on the multiplier any time I have a decent hand, and happily rewards me with 5x nothin' when I do get a decent multiplier.

No objection to STP/DSTP machines - but I'd consider playing them at 5 coins, not 6 or 7.

For what you're trying to do, I still prefer multiline JoB or BP over DW. I freely admit that DW and I don't get along, and that subjective bias is reflected in my opinion.
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January 11th, 2015 at 8:35:18 PM permalink
Does anyone remeber five deck frenzy it was five decks with each card spot 5 across being dealt from a seperate deck so you could get 5 aces all clubs
If anyone knows of it anywhere I'm willing to work something out
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January 11th, 2015 at 10:52:40 PM permalink
Ya don't see these anymore, but were a lot of fun in the early 90's...
Four Joker Poker
Five Joker Poker (10K JP)

Last VP I was playing was KoB Joker Poker 18/7/5(25c), Bonus Poker 8/5 ($1), and NSUD 16/9 ($1)
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January 12th, 2015 at 12:22:07 AM permalink
I LOVE DREAMCARD! Close second is Ultimate X. I'm a sucker for more coin = more chances at $$$ without chopping off lower pays (such as 2pair pays 1).

10 coins to get the best possible last card every once in a while, or multipliers based on your first hand for the second. I prefer the variance like that instead of DB or DDB or TDB or any other crazy high paying hands.
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January 12th, 2015 at 1:02:45 AM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

Does anyone remeber five deck frenzy it was five decks with each card spot 5 across being dealt from a seperate deck so you could get 5 aces all clubs
If anyone knows of it anywhere I'm willing to work something out

I swear it was a stations casino special(.25 only) ...back then no program covered it ...you had to estimate everything. it was valuable for various promotions but stations soon disqualified it and took it out. They probably have a downgraded version somewhere at 6% HA.
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January 12th, 2015 at 6:01:53 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Yes.

It's still not all about RTP, it's also about variance.

The goal is to run $750 coin in while losing as little as possible.

Perhaps your luck is better than mine, but DSTP always seems to "miss" on the multiplier any time I have a decent hand, and happily rewards me with 5x nothin' when I do get a decent multiplier.

No objection to STP/DSTP machines - but I'd consider playing them at 5 coins, not 6 or 7.

For what you're trying to do, I still prefer multiline JoB or BP over DW. I freely admit that DW and I don't get along, and that subjective bias is reflected in my opinion.



thx.. will leave stp and dstp alone.

why do you prefer multi-line machines over single? doesn't multi-line add to variance?
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January 12th, 2015 at 9:40:05 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

No vp is fun for me, it's a brutal, mind numbing grind and the only game I play that I don't at least occasionally enjoy. I suppose my favorite would be any multi-line full pay 9/6 JoB vp, multi-line 9/6 STP and 9/6 or nsud progressives with multiple meters. Pretty tough to find in Vegas but there is .01-.25 9/6 multi-line up to 100 lines all over Reno/Tahoe area.



I agree. VP has become horribly boring to me too. I can't even get excited unless I am playing 50 or 100 play. Fortunately there is still one place I know of that offers a 100% 100 play game every day. Can't win a lot of money but the generous free play and comps make it worth a play occasionally. Sadly, the max bet is $25.

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January 12th, 2015 at 12:23:55 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

why do you prefer multi-line machines over single? doesn't multi-line add to variance?



Probably, but not unacceptably for me.

I don't have math on it; I just have a subjective observation that I seem to do better on 3 line than 1 line for the same coin-in. That would suggest to me that in whatever way the variance is increased, it's beneficial. (I seem to recall that I was talking to someone on here a few weeks ago; they tried 3 line, and "this is the 2nd time I turned freeplay into 100+% return.")

Nothing at all wrong with STP or DSTP - I play them, but if you're not satisfied with the way that the multipliers are landing, don't be afraid to switch down from 7 or 6 coins to 5. At least one place I play, the STP machine has the best 3 line paytable for the denomination, and I have no qualms playing it at 5 coins/hand if that aligns with my goals for the day. (Note that there is a significant DSTP bonus for dealt Royal, but it's not on every dealt royal - only 1/15, and it exacts a premium on every hand on your way there. I, for one, would be OK with "only" a 4000 coin dealt royal.)

I think I mentioned EDF earlier. In the case of EDF, picking your paytable wisely to maximize the value of the bonus is critical. More lines = bigger bonus. (For an extra 1 coin/hand, you're eligible for the bonus - increased number of hands (often 2.5-3x) on any dealt 3oK. Selecting a paytable that rewards 3oKs, Fulls, and 4oKs handsomely is important. My biggest complaint on EDF is that a dealt full or 4oK doesn't trigger the bonus. That would be flippin' sweet.) I don't recommend EDF to run coin-in for tier points, but it can be fun - there's music when the bonus is triggered, there's some animation in the bonus, and there are a lot of chances at 4oKs and Fulls. (Compare to a lot of other VP, where the most exciting part of the game is a lockup and "CALL ATTENDANT", and it doesn't happen that often.)
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January 12th, 2015 at 12:55:46 PM permalink
Multi line decreases the variance if you're betting the same amount total.

For example, 9/6 JOB on both machines, if you do $5 one line you have a good amount of variance (per $1 wagered). If you do $1 on 5 lines, your variance goes down (per $1 wagered). If you do $0.05 on 100 lines, the variance goes down significantly more.

In all of those cases, you're betting $25 a spin, but the variance is diluted(?) because you're getting less per denom and it's spread over several hands.


1 hand of $5 compared to 5 hands of $5 or 100 hands of $5.....those all have difference variance / standard deviations, as they should.
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January 12th, 2015 at 8:27:15 PM permalink
If I could find fpdw, @ 5c and 10c multi line up to 100 lines (couldn't afford 100 lines) I'd play that in a heartbeat and call it fun. Otherwise, I just mostly stick to 25c fpdw and it's a little boring. It has its moments though. Like hitting two 5 oaks and a wild royal followed by 2 or 3 quads in short order to pump you back up.
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January 12th, 2015 at 9:10:32 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds



Why joker poker over Deuces Wild?



I like having four hands that pay 50-FOR-1, or more.
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February 1st, 2015 at 1:52:21 PM permalink
I would like a speed Version of Video Poker.

I am just a beginner and still need much time to calculate the best move but I find it somewhat boring that I have all the time I want. Is there a game where you have only a short times to make a decision?

Like 5 cards appear and you have only 3-5 seconds to mark the cards you want to hold. If you are to slow the time is up and new cards are pulled.
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February 1st, 2015 at 3:40:12 PM permalink
Quote: Hansol333

5 cards appear and you have only 3-5 seconds to mark the cards you want to hold. If you are to slow the time is up and new cards are pulled.



That would fundamentally change video poker, and I wouldn't want it on a money game.

That may be a feature on some training software.

At issue is the player must be the one to decide to hold or discard each card, and when to draw. Having the machine force your hand after a few seconds is just as wrong as a blackjack dealer giving you another card without signalling for a hit. It's your money, they're your cards, it's your decision.

(There are a few games I've heard that auto-hold for you, or won't let you do something really stupid like discard a dealt sequential royal.)
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February 2nd, 2015 at 4:38:46 AM permalink
Quote: Dieter

That would fundamentally change video poker, and I wouldn't want it on a money game.

That may be a feature on some training software.

At issue is the player must be the one to decide to hold or discard each card, and when to draw. Having the machine force your hand after a few seconds is just as wrong as a blackjack dealer giving you another card without signalling for a hit. It's your money, they're your cards, it's your decision.

(There are a few games I've heard that auto-hold for you, or won't let you do something really stupid like discard a dealt sequential royal.)




I *believe* if you are dealt the highest paying hand, it auto-holds and you can't unhold. That would be a dealt royal flush, or something like AWAK on TDB (4K credits). If you are dealt anything less than the highest paying hand (AWAK in DDB), it shouldn't auto-hold. Although, I've never had the luxury to experience an auto-hold. :( Maybe one day.


On that thought -- what would happen in the following situation. Let's say you're playing a $1 DDB progressive. The royal is currently at, say, $4300, and the AWAK is super high at $4500. Normally a royal pays $4k and AWAK pays $2K. If you are dealt AWAK, would it auto-hold because it is impossible to get a higher paying hand (assuming none of the other progressives exceed AWAK's $4500 meter)? Or would the machine allow you to re-draw, because it *thinks* AWAK pays $2K and RF pays $4k?

In other words -- is it hard coded that RF is absolute best and must be auto-held, while anything else can be discarded? Or does it actually check to see if the dealt hand is the highest paying hand (at the current progressive state) and only auto-hold if it's the highest paying hand?
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February 2nd, 2015 at 4:50:04 AM permalink
I have a video poker game coming out later this year which has a speed element involved in it. The game rewards players for playing fast during time intervals of free play. Hoping to get it through the patent office in the next few months.


Quote: Hansol333

I would like a speed Version of Video Poker.

I am just a beginner and still need much time to calculate the best move but I find it somewhat boring that I have all the time I want. Is there a game where you have only a short times to make a decision?

Like 5 cards appear and you have only 3-5 seconds to mark the cards you want to hold. If you are to slow the time is up and new cards are pulled.

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February 5th, 2015 at 4:41:07 PM permalink
Quote: RealizeGaming

I have a video poker game coming out later this year which has a speed element involved in it. The game rewards players for playing fast during time intervals of free play. Hoping to get it through the patent office in the next few months.


Good luck getting that approved by anyone to go out onto an actual gaming floor. I smell a very quick ADA lawsuit for discrimination by someone who can't move quickly.
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February 5th, 2015 at 7:49:40 PM permalink
Quote: TriathlonTodd

Good luck getting that approved by anyone to go out onto an actual gaming floor. I smell a very quick ADA lawsuit for discrimination by someone who can't move quickly.



I'm not too worried about it. The game can be played at any speed but rewards the player who plays quickly through a given time period. As it gets closer to being allowed, I will share a demo of the gameplay.
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February 5th, 2015 at 7:52:26 PM permalink
Quote: RealizeGaming

I'm not too worried about it. The game can be played at any speed but rewards the player who plays quickly through a given time period. As it gets closer to being allowed, I will share a demo of the gameplay.



Yeah they have approved things like "Asteroids" which is skill based. But I think there is a random bonus option as well.
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February 22nd, 2015 at 10:02:34 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I *believe* if you are dealt the highest paying hand, it auto-holds and you can't unhold. That would be a dealt royal flush, or something like AWAK on TDB (4K credits). If you are dealt anything less than the highest paying hand (AWAK in DDB), it shouldn't auto-hold. Although, I've never had the luxury to experience an auto-hold. :( Maybe one day.


On that thought -- what would happen in the following situation. Let's say you're playing a $1 DDB progressive. The royal is currently at, say, $4300, and the AWAK is super high at $4500. Normally a royal pays $4k and AWAK pays $2K. If you are dealt AWAK, would it auto-hold because it is impossible to get a higher paying hand (assuming none of the other progressives exceed AWAK's $4500 meter)? Or would the machine allow you to re-draw, because it *thinks* AWAK pays $2K and RF pays $4k?

In other words -- is it hard coded that RF is absolute best and must be auto-held, while anything else can be discarded? Or does it actually check to see if the dealt hand is the highest paying hand (at the current progressive state) and only auto-hold if it's the highest paying hand?



I hit a dealt RF at cosmopolitan last year on a single play $0.50 coin DDB GK 6.2 machine , second hand in. It instantly locked the machine up with a handpay message and the music; I didn't need to hold any cards, nor was I able to. Dunno about other versions/firmware revisions of IGT VP...
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February 28th, 2015 at 5:21:31 PM permalink
My favorite game was called Draw Till U Win and was on the Bally Gamemakers. A dedicated player could average a royal a day.
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March 1st, 2015 at 4:24:22 PM permalink
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My favorite game was called Draw Till U Win and was on the Bally Gamemakers. A dedicated player could average a royal a day.



A little more explanation of this game. It was a 103.2% game that played differently than conventional video poker. Royal odds of 9700 and Straight Flush odds of 1050. That's why a dedicated player could average a royal a day. Unfortunately, that brought a lot of attention, thus, the demise of the game.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 6:19:06 AM permalink
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A little more explanation of this game. It was a 103.2% game that played differently than conventional video poker. Royal odds of 9700 and Straight Flush odds of 1050. That's why a dedicated player could average a royal a day. Unfortunately, that brought a lot of attention, thus, the demise of the game.

That game was fun MC(strategy was not easy).

Have you tried Winning Streak? It's very fun (brutal swings will be a problem for the average person who may not even understand it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCs_iXR8o40

I can't wait to have a really solid promotion play on this.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 2nd, 2015 at 7:52:55 AM permalink
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That game was fun MC(strategy was not easy).

Have you tried Winning Streak? It's very fun (brutal swings will be a problem for the average person who may not even understand it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCs_iXR8o40

I can't wait to have a really solid promotion play on this.



No, I've never played Winning Streak. I don't think the game was out by the time I left Nevada. Looks fun though.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 8:38:42 AM permalink
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A little more explanation of this game. It was a 103.2% game that played differently than conventional video poker. Royal odds of 9700 and Straight Flush odds of 1050. That's why a dedicated player could average a royal a day. Unfortunately, that brought a lot of attention, thus, the demise of the game.



DTUW was 6/5 DB with the added feature that anytime your final hand was a 4-Card Royal you got to draw one card at a time until you hit a pay. The same for the 4-Card Straight Flushes. Normally, with a 4-card royal your chances of catching the fifth royal card is 1 in 47. But in DTUW, when you came up with the 4-card royal you got to draw until you hit a pay. In a hand like AS-KS-QS-TS-7C there are only 21 pay cards, 1 royal flush card, 8 flush cards, 3 straight cards, and 9 high pair cards. So now your chances of hitting the royal are only 1 in 21. And it could be even better than that if you threw away a straight, flush or high pair card on the draw. The 4-card straight flushes worked the same way. This is what greatly improved ones chances of making royals and straight flushes. You were racing against about a 5% drain between royals but the royal represented over 8% of the payback.

It was at the end of the Pioneer Hustler's Convention in April/May 2002 in Laughlin when R.M., who knew I got around the whole state asked me to be on the lookout for a Bally Gamemaker game called Draw Till U Win.

"Do you have the strategy?" I asked
"Just call me if you find the game?"

I was up in Las Vegas staying at the Golden Gate. I ran across a friend and asked if he ever heard of DTUW. He said yes, he played the game on a 7-day straight flush promotion at the Frontier. He told me the payback was 103.2%. I ran into another friend who told me the same thing. So then I was really keeping an eye out for the game.

I walked into the Vegas Club and Boom....there was the game on a single quarter Gamemaker. I had to sit down and play the game without a strategy in order to see how the game played. I made a couple of 4-card straight flushes and got to draw until I hit a pay. I figured the 4-card royals must play the same way. Then I came up with the 4-card royal and sure enough that's how it played. On about the 7th draw I hit the royal. Which was kind of sweet, hitting the royal my first time making the 4-card royal.

But I was thinking to myself. How in the hell am I gonna calculate the strategy for this game? It took a lot of thinking but I came up with a way. I holed up in my hotel room for three days writing the strategy with pen, calculator, and scratch paper, only leaving my room to eat. Normally, you figure EV for all the paying hands you can make from a high pair up to the royal. The trick was knowing the EV's for the 4-card royals and adding that EV to the regular EV's. It worked the same way for the straight flushes.

It was a major strategy shift from regular 6/5 DB:

RF3's played over all high pairs
All SF3's, even SF3-2, played over all low pairs
And SF3+0 played over high pairs other than Aces.

Low pairs had straight flush value because you could hold something like a pair of 7's and come up with a SF4. It was even possible to hold a pair of 10's and come up with a 4-card royal.

So three days later I finished with the strategy. I walked over to the Vegas Club and grabbed a seat. I went to punch the game up....and it was gone! Son of a... Those dirty ($&(%**(%*%! I had already searched Vegas high and low for the game. It had been torched out of Las Vegas. But the little guy on my shoulder said "Go north, young man."
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March 2nd, 2015 at 9:58:10 AM permalink
I've said before video poker isn't all that fun or enjoyable to me. It's about the money and it's also why I have my partner play most of our VP.

Personally, the most fun I have had was playing through a very small amount of free play, I believe $20 and hit a $1 royal on the first spin. I did find that enjoyable, having not put a single dollar into the machine, but walking away with 4 grand.

I also think it would be fun to have a royal dealt to you on one of those 100 play machines. Even at a nickel, that would be something. I don't play those machines, so it will not happen to me, but I would love to witness it happen to someone.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 10:18:46 AM permalink
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I've said before video poker isn't all that fun or enjoyable to me. It's about the money and it's also why I have my partner play most of our VP.

Personally, the most fun I have had was playing through a very small amount of free play, I believe $20 and hit a $1 royal on the first spin. I did find that enjoyable, having not put a single dollar into the machine, but walking away with 4 grand.

I also think it would be fun to have a royal dealt to you on one of those 100 play machines. Even at a nickel, that would be something. I don't play those machines, so it will not happen to me, but I would love to witness it happen to someone.



I've probably had about a dozen dealt royals. One on a nickel 10/7 ten play at the Cal Neva/Reno. And one on FPJW 10 cent spin poker at the Hotel Nevada in Ely.
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March 21st, 2015 at 5:58:04 AM permalink
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10 line Extra Draw Frenzy DDB



I am amending my answer to Hot Roll Video Poker, any game.

Perhaps the games are still so new that they haven't squeezed the joy out of the paytables yet... all I know is that the RTP feels really good, and the dice (seem to) hit a lot more often than STP/DSTP or EDF.

Still not a fan of multi-strike. Big Times is still better than some.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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March 21st, 2015 at 5:55:32 PM permalink
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I am amending my answer to Hot Roll Video Poker, any game.

Perhaps the games are still so new that they haven't squeezed the joy out of the paytables yet... all I know is that the RTP feels really good, and the dice (seem to) hit a lot more often than STP/DSTP or EDF.

Still not a fan of multi-strike. Big Times is still better than some.



Hot roll is pretty fun. Both Red Rock and my local casino in St. Louis have the exact same paytables. Both have 98.8% bonus deuces for quarters+ and 8/5 Bonus Deluxe for nickels as their best games. But unfortunately, the bonus adds nothing to the return (1 in 6 frequency; avg. 7X multiplier). So whatever paytable you're playing, thats the RTP. Hopefully you've found a 99%+ game?

Also like Big Times. Played that last night and won about 300 credits playing one line.
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March 21st, 2015 at 9:00:27 PM permalink
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Hopefully you've found a 99%+ game?



Nah, looks like the best I've found is just shy of 99%. Video poker sucks out here in the hinterlands, but even with a 2% house edge it's still about the cheapest way to run coin-in for mailers & promos.

It could just be that the installations I've seen haven't cranked down the paytables yet, and that the almost 99% is just that much better than everything else on offer. The machines I've seen are new, like in the last 5 weeks new, and it's possible that the operators are trying to get players hooked before they turn down the pays, or they just haven't figured out how good they are yet.

Either way, I enjoyed the play, and hopefully ran enough coin-in to push my mailer offers to the next tier on the next cycle.

It's genuinely fun hearing that "Hot Roll!" on a 10x+. That's not something I can say about a lot of VP - it's usually a grind for me, even if I got a few back to back dealt FH's on UTX.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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March 21st, 2015 at 9:06:08 PM permalink
Well, I was a bit shocked they were set the way they were at both casinos I saw the game at, over 1300 miles apart from each other. They were set EXACTLY the same way, same games and paytables (one set for nickels-dimes that mostly were decent for those denominations, and everything upped a "notch" for quarters+). The only difference I think was that Red Rock may have also offered dollars. I'm wondering if that was the factory default setting. It's a quite generous setting for a "gimmick" game.
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